Gumballs CMH Powered PC

Diesel89

Diesel89

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Hey first off wow your PC set up has totally and utterley changed how I am building mine... 2ndly, I was just wondering if anyone here could please put me on the right path to a more in depth build blue print with a HID light inside apc case, most forums I have read on never mentioned putting a HID light inside its always CFLS the case I really wanna get which is the tallest to date ive seen is http://www.mrgrowpro.net/whatyouwillreceive.htm with that much vert space I should easily get a HID light in there with maybe 2 cfls? with very little heat problems right? Any input I would highly love. Obvioulsy I am no pro I read like 5-6 grow journals a day on this site and I love it only recently has it come to my attention that I should be building a PC case for myself! again your case is beautiful I cant believe you actually rocked a light like that in there high temps or not that deserves its +rep!!!!
 
gumball

gumball

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Diesel89 said:
Hey first off wow your PC set up has totally and utterley changed how I am building mine... 2ndly, I was just wondering if anyone here could please put me on the right path to a more in depth build blue print with a HID light inside apc case, most forums I have read on never mentioned putting a HID light inside its always CFLS the case I really wanna get which is the tallest to date ive seen is http://www.mrgrowpro.net/whatyouwillreceive.htm with that much vert space I should easily get a HID light in there with maybe 2 cfls? with very little heat problems right? Any input I would highly love. Obvioulsy I am no pro I read like 5-6 grow journals a day on this site and I love it only recently has it come to my attention that I should be building a PC case for myself! again your case is beautiful I cant believe you actually rocked a light like that in there high temps or not that deserves its +rep!!!!
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thank you for the kind words Diesel89

there are only a handful of people I have seen with an HID in a PC. One is me. The other is v12xjs. Danielsgb has one. And I seen a new grower Mr Ganja or something with one tonight. The basic idea is to seperate the bulb and its heated space from the grow space. My tower is only 18 inches tall and I had the 100 watt bulb. I think 70 would have been perfect, as I did have some issues with the 100, i think it was too intense in the tight space. I really cant remember which thread danielsgb put his PC build in, but he did a great job, and always details his work. You will have to do a built of legwork searching our threads for exact details. There is also a CMH Group on here if your interested in that bulb and I put up some posts about some of the lower wattage CMH.

I went from the coleman lantern globe to the 4mm plexi glass for add height. If you plan to buy a pre-built case, but rip out the lighting and put your own, you should try and buy it without the lighting installed, save a few bucks maybe.

also remember HID lights have a ballast which must be maintained, and they produce HEAT. so try to keep that in mind when you are making decisions on a case. they need a fan on them for longest life and best efficiency, IMO.

good luck and keep us posted with your progress
 
Diesel89

Diesel89

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Well basically money isnt an option being totally responsible of course, My main thing is stealth and Im working with a smaller space its gonna sit between 2 dressers and the space is exactly 9.8in Wide between them and I can give an inch or two in either direction to make it bigger/smaller. My real question to you, Would the yields really see a difference? the case Im wanting to buy pre fabbed comes with lights I would consider using still or down the road ect ect.. I just was wondering from the pros/people who have already experimented and can save me the time and hard work of doing the lesser of the cfl/HID setups I am very handy and witty and I have a wide selection of tools and resources! biggest thing is yield/quality of buds coming from the case this is gonna be my main source of colas from now on with only buying O's when I am in between grows... im in a state with no decriminalization and a father that doesnt care about buds, but doesnt want me growing on any means a bigger scale than just my personals which I totally respect! thanks for the reference too! I will go try and track down that guys build on his case! any more advice would be exxcellent! Also I know I should probably just build a case if I wanna throw a HID in it but that case that is pre fabbed is so big@! would 26.6 vs the biggest I could get and gut and rebuild is that 9-10ins going to be a huge diff? for heat with aHID and or yields on the plant. Sorry if this is way to long and or confusing I just got a new ash catcher for my illadelph and I had to smoke like 5 bowls to watch the new percs lol! and I am so stoked to see actual PC grows with HIDs in them that are working... it seems like that would be the way to actually get a yield worth fully curing! thanks guys! RIU is just about the greatest website and should totally be side by side with facebook : )
 
Diesel89

Diesel89

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So I couldnt seem to find anything on danielsgb pc case. I saw his grow room and his fridge which is sick, but couldnt find even the slightest reminents of a HID pc anyway the search continues for blue prints or anything with how the ballast/HID light should be set up in the case. Also I saw this case online for sale for 65 bucks! its a hell of alot shorter but its got some serious air flow I think! just an option if it would help with the heat, dont know if having 2 extra fans would be better than 11ins of head room... but I guess that why I am asking you guys haha http://www.directron.com/nthades.html any help would be awesome Im trying to kick this thing off by next week and if I cant figure out how to build a HID PC case I guess ill just go with the pre fabbed extra tall case! also if someone could link if they have ever seen a PC case thats pretty big that would be cool, just none of the cases I have seen by themselves not pre made grow boxes there all way to small! I wouldnt even want to grow inside of it...
 
gumball

gumball

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Diesel89 said:
Well basically money isnt an option being totally responsible of course, My main thing is stealth and Im working with a smaller space its gonna sit between 2 dressers and the space is exactly 9.8in Wide between them and I can give an inch or two in either direction to make it bigger/smaller. My real question to you, Would the yields really see a difference? the case Im wanting to buy pre fabbed comes with lights I would consider using still or down the road ect ect.. I just was wondering from the pros/people who have already experimented and can save me the time and hard work of doing the lesser of the cfl/HID setups I am very handy and witty and I have a wide selection of tools and resources! biggest thing is yield/quality of buds coming from the case this is gonna be my main source of colas from now on with only buying O's when I am in between grows... im in a state with no decriminalization and a father that doesnt care about buds, but doesnt want me growing on any means a bigger scale than just my personals which I totally respect! thanks for the reference too! I will go try and track down that guys build on his case! any more advice would be exxcellent! Also I know I should probably just build a case if I wanna throw a HID in it but that case that is pre fabbed is so big@! would 26.6 vs the biggest I could get and gut and rebuild is that 9-10ins going to be a huge diff? for heat with aHID and or yields on the plant. Sorry if this is way to long and or confusing I just got a new ash catcher for my illadelph and I had to smoke like 5 bowls to watch the new percs lol! and I am so stoked to see actual PC grows with HIDs in them that are working... it seems like that would be the way to actually get a yield worth fully curing! thanks guys! RIU is just about the greatest website and should totally be side by side with facebook : )
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As you will learn through time, there isnt one part of your grow which will make the overall end result better, by itself at least. You have to create a perfect little habitable environment for your plants. Sometimes adding the lights you want throws other factors like temp, humidity, or light intensity out and you have to re-work your original plan. And in a PC grow everything is smaller, including container size, so you have to water more frequently compared to larger container sizes. basically what that means is you will have to get a few grows under your belt to find out which is better for you. You will more than likely pull more weight with the HID lighting once you get your grow dialed in. But I have read many times CFL produce better quality.

Thinking back now, I think buying the all out model and using the CFL's they include would probably be your best bet until you get your stuff dialed in. Then as you reach a comfort level there, you can start looking into more powerful lighting. I have this bad habit myself of looking before I leap, and sometimes there is a brick wall there forcing me to do what I didnt want to originally, figure out a way around the brick wall as opposed to leaping through it :wall: So just try to remember to look before you leap and you may forgo mistakes already learned.

I hope that is kinda what you wanted to here
 
gumball

gumball

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Diesel89 said:
So I couldnt seem to find anything on danielsgb pc case. I saw his grow room and his fridge which is sick, but couldnt find even the slightest reminents of a HID pc anyway the search continues for blue prints or anything with how the ballast/HID light should be set up in the case. Also I saw this case online for sale for 65 bucks! its a hell of alot shorter but its got some serious air flow I think! just an option if it would help with the heat, dont know if having 2 extra fans would be better than 11ins of head room... but I guess that why I am asking you guys haha http://www.directron.com/nthades.html any help would be awesome Im trying to kick this thing off by next week and if I cant figure out how to build a HID PC case I guess ill just go with the pre fabbed extra tall case! also if someone could link if they have ever seen a PC case thats pretty big that would be cool, just none of the cases I have seen by themselves not pre made grow boxes there all way to small! I wouldnt even want to grow inside of it...
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Yeah, most definitely go with the extra headroom, you will love it. Minus the depth, the first link you posted was an awesome case almost as big as my flower cabinet now!! Actually looking back it is almost as big. you will like the first link you posted me more I think
 
gumball

gumball

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Concord Dawn said:
another great vid!! good shit man, LoL. everything is looking good bro.
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Thanks Concord!! You should see how the clones are hanging in the cabinet :lol: They are growing to quick, which I should want, but thatbig flowering bush is BIG and in the way, and has 5 weeks to go dammit :fire:

all these are great problems to have, so I am thankful :clap:
 
gumball

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Stoner.Barbie said:
looks like a boxer. i have one too.
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sure is, she will be 4 this summer. I love her deep brindle color, like a melted reeses, another best friend to stoners :D I think I have seen your in a pic or video. Is it mostly white? You can post up a pic if you like, I love animals.
 
Stoner.Barbie

Stoner.Barbie

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yes she is white with black spots. can't find one at the moment. must be on my other computer. lol she has a hitler stash too.
 
gumball

gumball

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Now I remember her! Yeah hitler should have been a bitch, he may have been successful then :( glad he won't :lol:
 
Danielsgb

Danielsgb

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Diesel89 said:
So I couldn't seem to find anything on danielsgb PC case. I saw his grow room and his fridge which is sick, but couldn't find even the slightest reminiscent of a HID PC anyway the search continues for blue prints or anything with how the ballast/HID light should be set up in the case. Also I saw this case online for sale for 65 bucks! its a hell of alot shorter but its got some serious air flow I think! just an option if it would help with the heat, don't know if having 2 extra fans would be better than 11ins of head room... but I guess that why I am asking you guys haha http://www.directron.com/nthades.html any help would be awesome I'm trying to kick this thing off by next week and if I cant figure out how to build a HID PC case I guess ill just go with the pre fabbed extra tall case! also if someone could link if they have ever seen a PC case that's pretty big that would be cool, just none of the cases I have seen by themselves not pre made grow boxes there all way to small! I wouldn't even want to grow inside of it...
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I think I added my CMH PC build to A Medicinal Refridgerator but if you can't find it PM me as I have a thread on it on another site. It's an E-Series PC if that helps your search.:blsmoke:
For mine I designed 2 PC's. 1 to grow in, and the other for all electrical components & timers. HID ballasts and fan power supplies all create heat, so the grow PC only deals with the heat from the bulb. Gumball mentions it needs glass between bulb & plant. Very true.:eyesmoke: One thing I would say is air flow is key above all, except proper wiring. Feel free to post there if you find a question or need a pic not there.:eyesmoke: Height is obviously better since I had my last ones get too tall.

gumball said:
As you will learn through time, there isn't one part of your grow which will make the overall end result better, by itself at least. You have to create a perfect little habitable environment for your plants. Sometimes adding the lights you want throws other factors like temp, humidity, or light intensity out and you have to re-work your original plan. And in a PC grow everything is smaller, including container size, so you have to water more frequently compared to larger container sizes. basically what that means is you will have to get a few grows under your belt to find out which is better for you. You will more than likely pull more weight with the HID lighting once you get your grow dialed in. But I have read many times CFL produce better quality.

Thinking back now, I think buying the all out model and using the CFL's they include would probably be your best bet until you get your stuff dialed in. Then as you reach a comfort level there, you can start looking into more powerful lighting. I have this bad habit myself of looking before I leap, and sometimes there is a brick wall there forcing me to do what I didn't want to originally, figure out a way around the brick wall as opposed to leaping through it :wall: So just try to remember to look before you leap and you may forgo mistakes already learned.

I hope that is kinda what you wanted to here
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Very true on it being a balance of all things that they need. PC growing is different for all reasons you mention.:blsmoke:
That being said, I made that first Cfl PC & it was OK for fun. But I saw as it was finishing the light just wasn't enough. I decided to make the CMH PC without much prodding. :twisted:
I tend to get determined I can do something.:twisted: I dig under the brick wall or bash on it till it cracks.:wall:


gumball said:
:lol: They are growing to quick, which I should want, but that big flowering bush is BIG and in the way, and has 5 weeks to go dammit :fire:

all these are great problems to have, so I am thankful :clap:
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Welcome to the fight I've had. :mrgreen: Timing a plant to be the size you want to initiate flowering is a bitch.:cuss:Perpetual with limited room is tough.
Yours are all looking good.:bigjoint:
Daniels:blsmoke:
 
cowboylogic

cowboylogic

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Your funny dude! In a good way, colacolacolacolacolacola lmao. Great vid but can you do us one favor please? Watch the fucking language would you! Looking good buddy................
 
NLNo5

NLNo5

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Hey gum swear all you want. Only one life to live.

I've been a CFL closet grower and got sick of the closet and the CFLs. Now I've got my ATX case converted into a perpetual grow operation, although no plants yet. I've got a 70WCMH on the way with ballast. My case is almost a replica of V12xjs' with the acrylic sheet separating the light from the plants (plenty of fans too). I'm going to run the case in the house and I'm located in the tropics so I'm planning on a very compact and dedicated 1000btu air conditioner integrated into the air intake and a decent carbon filter too. Without the AC my case temps will be above 100F. I'm hoping the 70W philips mastercolor CDM-T will provide enough light (max 6300 lumens per 0.89 square feet) for the plants (if I'm not happy with the wattage I'll upgrade to the 150W bulb). I was worried about power consumption by I ran the numbers and it appears to be surprisingly decent IMO. The CMH is a pretty efficient light option. cost posted below for your info. I'll be going 20/4 with LR2 most likely. The trick will be to manage the heat and keep the plants close to the light. Photos to come in due time.

I've been following you and V12 on and off for a while now and I've advanced my thinking as a grower quite a lot due to your efforts. I'll drop in from time to time. Happy growing. Best Wishes.

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Danielsgb

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The ballast covers the bulb's power, so the $48.60 is covered by the $51.84. I think I worded that wrong, but I think it made sense. The 70W CMH works good in mine. My 150W in the Fridge would be too intense & hot for a PC.
Daniels
 
NLNo5

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Danielsgb said:
The ballast covers the bulb's power, so the $48.60 is covered by the $51.84. I think I worded that wrong, but I think it made sense. The 70W CMH works good in mine. My 150W in the Fridge would be too intense & hot for a PC.
Daniels
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Hey D, Glad t meet you. You're right for sure. The ballast supplies the bulb so it's one cost. DUH. LOL. I love it when I pull a stoner move like that, reminds me I'm alive. So I'm down to $14 per month and $172 per year. I can be really happy with that for a personal grow op.

CUround mang!
 
Diesel89

Diesel89

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Danielsgb said:
I think I added my CMH PC build to A Medicinal Refridgerator but if you can't find it PM me as I have a thread on it on another site. It's an E-Series PC if that helps your search.:blsmoke:
For mine I designed 2 PC's. 1 to grow in, and the other for all electrical components & timers. HID ballasts and fan power supplies all create heat, so the grow PC only deals with the heat from the bulb. Gumball mentions it needs glass between bulb & plant. Very true.:eyesmoke: One thing I would say is air flow is key above all, except proper wiring. Feel free to post there if you find a question or need a pic not there.:eyesmoke: Height is obviously better since I had my last ones get too tall.

Very true on it being a balance of all things that they need. PC growing is different for all reasons you mention.:blsmoke:
That being said, I made that first Cfl PC & it was OK for fun. But I saw as it was finishing the light just wasn't enough. I decided to make the CMH PC without much prodding. :twisted:
I tend to get determined I can do something.:twisted: I dig under the brick wall or bash on it till it cracks.:wall:


Welcome to the fight I've had. :mrgreen: Timing a plant to be the size you want to initiate flowering is a bitch.:cuss:Perpetual with limited room is tough.
Yours are all looking good.:bigjoint:
Daniels:blsmoke:
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Hey thanks you so much! I did read up on your PC. To be frank I think that its gonna run to hot and I dont have an "outside the case" place to put anything, So I decided for my first stealth the easiest way to go about this would just get pre fabbed/cfl lighting box and learn myself! But I must say man both of you deserve like perma real world rep for rigging some shit up like that man in such a small closed in space!~ anyway Im about to place my order for the mrgrowpro Soil version I think... To much for me to mess up with hyrdo. I think I might do a journal I am still sketch about posting pics and such on the internet but I keep thinking whats the worse that could happen? for all anyone knows I stole those pics from other people right? anyway great grows both of you I cant believe how creative you all are at the way you go about doing this stuff!!!
 
Diesel89

Diesel89

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gumball said:
As you will learn through time, there isnt one part of your grow which will make the overall end result better, by itself at least. You have to create a perfect little habitable environment for your plants. Sometimes adding the lights you want throws other factors like temp, humidity, or light intensity out and you have to re-work your original plan. And in a PC grow everything is smaller, including container size, so you have to water more frequently compared to larger container sizes. basically what that means is you will have to get a few grows under your belt to find out which is better for you. You will more than likely pull more weight with the HID lighting once you get your grow dialed in. But I have read many times CFL produce better quality.

Thinking back now, I think buying the all out model and using the CFL's they include would probably be your best bet until you get your stuff dialed in. Then as you reach a comfort level there, you can start looking into more powerful lighting. I have this bad habit myself of looking before I leap, and sometimes there is a brick wall there forcing me to do what I didnt want to originally, figure out a way around the brick wall as opposed to leaping through it :wall: So just try to remember to look before you leap and you may forgo mistakes already learned.

I hope that is kinda what you wanted to here
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Ya totally I dont think any other stoner could have said it better, I just got way excited at the fact that that was possible and I deff wanted one, But I didnt realize the mechanics you guys were running to actually make that happen, thanks for the advice it feels good to finally be participating in this, and I hope I didnt come off like every other noob browsing the site! im not just in it to grow yields! I love this beautiful flower, its the most euphoric thing to me to watch a plant grow or when you pull it one way to watch her within hours be all the way back over LOVE IT! Ive just only messed around with outdoor grows (4) but I had irrigation set in stone and Id only visit maybe once a week or every 4 days or so. there was no real connection cause I was scarred to be caught at the grow site! its secluded and well hidden plots all over the mountains I will probably post some stuff starting in April the spots I will be using and then the actual grow journal along with my PC case. anyway hope you dont feel like I jacked your thread thanks for the advice and I will keep following your stuff and hope you can continue to give advice this coming year for a young grasshoppa!!!
 
Diesel89

Diesel89

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anyone running the mrgrowpro btw? how is he and the actual fit/finish of the product? With a case the size he offers I feel liek I should be able to at least get 7.0g more with all the same grow specs as each other except the other case is the avg size like 17-18in but that could just be me... Ha 9 more inches of head room sounds like a dream in disguise for everyone using PC cases! also would it be better to not use the straight across power strip set up, add like 2 Y splitters and get the lights at a more custimized set up, or is the way its set up the best way to go about it! and right before I go, ( I know I talk way to much) For vegging/flowering if you wouldnt mind giving a little heads up for whats better those 6500/2700k standards it comes with, running like 5 inside at a time. Or running a mix of those super big like 105-125watt cfl... any advise again is wanted! : )
 
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