Hallucinogens & the Bible...

pilgram said:

Jesus was trippn on ergot spores ,it came from the moldy wheat bread given to him while on the cross

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moldy wheat bread
or moldy rye bread????

HeatlessBBQ said:

what's your take on it???

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this is a great topic!!!!

Hallucinogens are cool.. the bible? Not so much..

I once gave a sermon on revalations while tripping on dxm and wine. the subject came up and i found my self telling everyone around about it...

I dont belive in god as a being, just as a force, with no conscienceness....

I love this quote from metalacolypse


Skwisgaar: Pfft, dis is dildos. Doesn’t he knows there’s no such things as religion?

Nathan: You mean you don’t believe in God. There is such thing as religion.

Skwisgaar: Well then proves it! Show me a miracles that religion exists.

Nathan: Well um, there’s a Bible right there.

Skwisgaar: Well, maybe I re-evaluates my life then.

Mushrooms hands down Manna in the bible, but it needs to be respected, it activates the spirit chemcal in the brain.
How come so many people become aware of God on it?

Garden of Eden

Detroit J420 said:

Mushrooms hands down Manna in the bible, but it needs to be respected, it activates the spirit chemcal in the brain.
How come so many people become aware of God on it?

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I belive an alien message theory, that is that psilocybin mushrooms contain a message, or knowledge if you will, that downloads into your mind once taken, and is often mistaken for God in our earthly meaning of "God". While it may be godly in that it came from our creator, I dont belive the creator to be a "GOD", in my terms the CREATOR is what i belive to be alien/interdimensional force that seeded life on our planet/galaxy millenia ago. thus actually being our creator, but with no power over us. deffinatly with out the power or possibly the will to SAVE us on its own, so it left coded messages for us.... to help/shape mankind...

then there are the forces of the universe/reality which would be the other spectrum of GOD as i would percive it, it would have power to manipulate our reality.... Gravity and Time being part of it. I belive its all a completely unknown invisable force, much like the force in star wars, which im begining to belive is something scientist have found and are starting to call Dark Energy.

Man you are crazy as hell man, Look there is a God and God has Infinite knowledge"" no matter what sceince figures out or what a weed grower does the plant is a creation of God, and will never fully be understood. Look into the sky tonite, outterspace does it have an ending??? Nope it just keeps going and going thats mind blowing, however if your a good person and try to obey his laws he will help guide you through. I Treid getten into the whole sceince thing but just when you think you know something God flips the script on you cause he's the Man end of story so be old fashion live and enjoy the simple things. blaze have a drink raise a family fuck tryen to understand infinite knowledge aint gonna happen bro... and you wont stress

I honestly don't care about religion or the bible, We are highly evolved animals.

If there was a god why would he want to push religion? Look at the shame it has brought us...
He is god.. he made us with intent to make our on decisions. I will not follow a fucking man written mythical book.. We are part of nature why should we add religion to the mix?

Part of nature then have no morals have a family oragie who cares were animals... Keep studying sceince and believing theres no god end up.like that weird.freak Stephen Hawking. lions kill a mothers cubs so he can fuck the mom lower your self to an animal. Im gonna say were created in Gods image

Where evolved animals.. still prompt in natures bounty.
If I did believe in a god I wouldn't rely on religion to portray him... I do believe there has been some sort of higher being associated with our existence though...

But i will not believe in religion.. man is to corrupt to handle such knowledge as you can see.

btw.. there is no god, if there was who created him?

Man all im sayen is no matter what you think you know it's nothing we know nothing...
Might as well surrender. And following religion at the basics aint so hard. even that your not gonna really understand
Nothings wrong with studying sceince but dont think you figured somethen out cuz.u aint gonna, we aint shit really... put your faith in that ultimate super power will help u and you will live happier why stress out

Detroit J420 said:

Man you are crazy as hell man, Look there is a God and God has Infinite knowledge"" no matter what sceince figures out or what a weed grower does the plant is a creation of God, and will never fully be understood. Look into the sky tonite, outterspace does it have an ending??? Nope it just keeps going and going thats mind blowing, however if your a good person and try to obey his laws he will help guide you through. I Treid getten into the whole sceince thing but just when you think you know something God flips the script on you cause he's the Man end of story so be old fashion live and enjoy the simple things. blaze have a drink raise a family fuck tryen to understand infinite knowledge aint gonna happen bro... and you wont stress

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What you are saying is loaded with belief and lacks logic. The logical connections between your scentences arent right, space is infinite and it blew my mind... so whats the answer.. GOD!! aha!!! We are never going to understand "infinite knowledge", but at least atheists don`t escape this fact saying GOD!

"Part of nature then have no morals have a family oragie who cares were animals... Keep studying sceince and believing theres no god end up.like that weird.freak Stephen Hawking. lions kill a mothers cubs so he can fuck the mom lower your self to an animal. Im gonna say were created in Gods image "

Well actually, morals don`t exist apart from in our head in my opinion. You are one who can`t accept that we are animals. You are one who can`t reduce the brilliant show of life into simple science and chemistry, part because you don`t have the necessary knowledge in science and part because you don`t want to. You can

Nothing is wrong until physical and mental attacks occur... As long as your minding your own business, doing what ever keeps you happy then by all means proceed..

Detroit J420 said:

Look there is a God and God has Infinite knowledge"" no matter what sceince figures out or what a weed grower does the plant is a creation of God, and will never fully be understood. Look into the sky tonite, outterspace does it have an ending??? Nope it just keeps going and going thats mind blowing, however if your a good person and try to obey his laws he will help guide you through. I Treid getten into the whole sceince thing but just when you think you know something God flips the script on you cause he's the Man end of story so be old fashion live and enjoy the simple things. blaze have a drink raise a family fuck tryen to understand infinite knowledge aint gonna happen bro... and you wont stress

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You are one which doesn`t want to deduce the brillant show of life into simple chemistry and physics. This has two reasons, one you don`t have the necessary knowledge in science and two, you don`t want to think you are nothing. Did it ever occur to you that the word we use "alive" means nothing more than a replicating organism however complex this organism is? You are getting distracted with your own reaity too much bro, just because you can`t fully face concepts like infinity doesn`t mean there is a god. And a book means f all too.

Maybe you should look at how many religgeons there are around you. But somebody with your logic would say YES, THEY ALL KNEW THERE WAS GOD!! Well, there is another point of view to that, maybe we all want to belive its true? We all want to belive there is a reason for our existence, that the evil people will get punished etc.. many reasons to go...

What I hate the most is people using the word "why?" to end up with god and deciding to stop asking why. Maybe you should try asking why over and over again and see you get nowhere! Just because your god is a comfortable place to stop asking why doesn`t mean its true at all.

Stephen Hawking is no weird freak, just because hes in a wheelchair using a finger and deciding to use his mind as its all he has left doesn`t make him a freak. Just you calling him a freak shows how judgemental you are. If you weren`t that judgemental, you would call him insane or different, not a freak! Bet you would fucking love him if he said god existed against all science.

And the thing about the lion cubs is nothing but natural selection. Its been like that all the way and the dominant lion kills all the cubs and spreads his own genes!

Lower yourself to an animal? Thats some serious ego talking there....

Detroit J420 said:

Nothings wrong with studying sceince but dont think you figured somethen out cuz.u aint gonna, we aint shit really... put your faith in that ultimate super power will help u and you will live happier why stress out

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I do %100 agree with that though.

And about hallucinogens and the bible... Prophets like Jeuss would starve themselves of sleep and food to release natural DMT, thats using hallucinogens!

some believe that cannabis was put on this planet for a time to reflect without an entheogen. after the use of an entheogen.

since cannabis can "bring back the effects" from psychoactive compounds or "flashbacks" as some have described...
this offers the cannabis/entheogen user a chance to reflect on what one would think about while under the influence of a psychedelic;
when the user is however, not under the influence of any psychoactive compound.

hope this makes sense.

Detroit J420 said:

Part of nature then have no morals have a family oragie who cares were animals... Keep studying sceince and believing theres no god end up.like that weird.freak Stephen Hawking. lions kill a mothers cubs so he can fuck the mom lower your self to an animal. Im gonna say were created in Gods image

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in gods flawed image then, if we were in the image of a god, we would be perfect but were not we are animals, and people like dahmer, albert fish, bundy, gacy, children that murder, are proof, if thats gods imgage, then god is an animal.

DarthD3vl said:

I belive an alien message theory, that is that psilocybin mushrooms contain a message, or knowledge if you will, that downloads into your mind once taken, and is often mistaken for God in our earthly meaning of "God". While it may be godly in that it came from our creator, I dont belive the creator to be a "GOD",in my terms the CREATOR is what i belive to be alien/interdimensional force that seeded life on our planet/galaxy millenia ago. thus actually being our creator, but with no power over us. deffinatly with out the power or possibly the will to SAVE us on its own, so it left coded messages for us.... to help/shape mankind...

then there are the forces of the universe/reality which would be the other spectrum of GOD as i would percive it, it would have power to manipulate our reality.... Gravity and Time being part of it. I belive its all a completely unknown invisable force, much like the force in star wars, which im begining to belive is something scientist have found and are starting to call Dark Energy.

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A reason behind this alien mushroom theory, which i didn't come up with, is that psilocybin is is the only natural 4-phosphorylated indole on this planet. THE ONLY ONE. nothing else like it on the entire discovered planet. and it just so happens to be a halucinogen that opens peoples minds....

“I’ve mentioned that psilocin, which is what psilocybin quickly becomes as it enters your metabolism, is 4 hydroxy dimethyltryptamine. It is the only 4-substituted indole in all of organic nature. Let this rattle around in your mind for a moment. It is the only 4-substituted indole known to exist on earth. It happens to be this psychedelic substance that occurs in about eighty species of fungi, most of which are native to the New World. Psilocybin has a unique chemical signature that says, “I am artificial; I come from outside.” I was suggesting that it was a gene – an artificial gene – carried perhaps by a spaceborne virus or something brought artificially to this planet, and that this gene has insinuated itself into the genome of these mushrooms.”
~ Terence McKenna
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its been knocked around for a quite a few years, just an interestig theory...



Back On subject of hallucinogens and the bible,

it would be cool if they found the arc of the covenant and it turned out it was just jesus's mushroom fruiting chamber.. or the holy grail was a glass used to drink a some type of ancient religious brew, like mescaline or something you would find in that area... what about the guy in mexico that claims to be the re-incarnation of jesus, has millions of followers, Bill Maher talks to him in religilous if you've seen that, what about that guy, some one should give him some mushrooms.

DarthD3vl said:

A reason behind this alien mushroom theory, which i didn't come up with, is that psilocybin is is the only natural 4-phosphorylated indole on this planet. THE ONLY ONE. nothing else like it on the entire discovered planet. and it just so happens to be a halucinogen that opens peoples minds....

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Thats quite interesting but what can you say about the other psychedelics, are they rare to? I mean what if psilocybin is rare in its own manner because it was just a rare case of evolution and nothing followed the same path?

I never taken psilocybin but its similar in its effect to other hallucinogens e.g lsd right?

I would say psychedelics substances are just a random product of the path evolution took. The reason they are still here is because they must ward off herbivores etc.. Putting it in a different way, if an animal was hungry, it wouldn`t be able to eat too many mushrooms. Like a poisonous defence mechanism but not neurotoxic.

I`m comparing them to toxins but I`m not saying they are harmful in moderate amounts and that they aren`t beneficial or didn`t play a role in the evolution of the human brain etc... those theories are intact However I`m an atheist..

But if you are one who belives god created everything, might as well belive in the purpose of mushrooms, however I don`t.