Have You Ever Dreamt of Playing in a Lab?

tomcatjones said:

where you live? my area of the state to rep and gather samples from is the Northeast. but am looking for anyone and everyone who wants to test their genetics or medicines. http://www.micannalytics.com/

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From what I've seen, Cannalytics seems to give slightly inflated results compared to other labs in the state.

Cory and trevor said:

if you can find a way to accutately test the relative concentration of canabanoids from a plant sample that'd be handy. if you got almost no resin you can still score a 23% THC but you got shit for your gram....or at least that's what I have heard.

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that is possible. and a goal to have a datatbase you you can accurately guage which is supposed to be a diesel and which isn';t for example.

you know when growers hand you shoddy genetics and are unsure what it really is (wrong end too many times)

but it was also explaine to me that for bud and for plant samples getting an accurate gauge is depenmdat on the sample given. so it is advised that the sample comes from all areas of the plant..


not just your bestest tops brah.

as far as infalting... i have no effing clue to be honest. i don't know how the equipment works yet nor do i want to be a lab tech guy. nowaysirreebobharrisisinhellihope.

BUT i do know that they were the first in the state, zach knew his shit and they are still the only ones with an HPLC which as far as i understand is WAY.. by at least 10-15 percent margin of error more accurate than the gas spectrograh.

all i know is testing is a good idea for growers and patients to get a good idea of the cananbinoid/terpenoid profiles for their specicifc illnesses and more as we've been discussing.

when I had samples tested by 2 testers Cannalytics was not the highest. Zack and his crew really seem to care and want to help us all,so I use them..

I test for infromation not to put some number on a sack for braggin rights so as long as they are consistent it works for me..

HomeLessBeans said:

when I had samples tested by 2 testers Cannalytics was not the highest. Zack and his crew really seem to care and want to help us all,so I use them..

I test for infromation not to put some number on a sack for braggin rights so as long as they are consistent it works for me..

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which is kind of why i okayed the idea of working for cananlytics part time. there is a lot of drive to help the growers and pateints not only find out more about the medicine and their plants, but connect to the two, learn and explain that there is a lot more than just how high their THC content and how well they were decarboxlating their products. and have a state wide network of sharing genetics will be nice. spread that CBD love.

destroying the decarboxylating myth will be my goal any chance I get. hoping to change a bunch of cannalytics graphics to explain it.

tomcatjones said:

that is possible. and a goal to have a datatbase you you can accurately guage which is supposed to be a diesel and which isn';t for example.

you know when growers hand you shoddy genetics and are unsure what it really is (wrong end too many times)

but it was also explaine to me that for bud and for plant samples getting an accurate gauge is depenmdat on the sample given. so it is advised that the sample comes from all areas of the plant..


not just your bestest tops brah.

as far as infalting... i have no effing clue to be honest. i don't know how the equipment works yet nor do i want to be a lab tech guy. nowaysirreebobharrisisinhellihope.

BUT i do know that they were the first in the state, zach knew his shit and they are still the only ones with an HPLC which as far as i understand is WAY.. by at least 10-15 percent margin of error more accurate than the gas spectrograh.

all i know is testing is a good idea for growers and patients to get a good idea of the cananbinoid/terpenoid profiles for their specicifc illnesses and more as we've been discussing.

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I'm just wondering why you would want to test all parts of the plant ? from what I read some parts of the plant is disposed of ?
What your doing is interesting and good for everyone . Another thing I have read is that the roots can be used but I do not see anyone using them on U-tube ?

for instance, i would like to pollinate a few high cbd strains with a genetic line known to have high cbd (cannatonic or otto #1... Are There Others?), however the available new male has yet to be tested or proved the high cbd. I am told that vegetative leaf material testing can at least present ratios of thc/cbd to give you an idea of cbd richness, or not, but only flowering will obviously give ya the better numbers..

Yes testing for other forms like thc-v (bob believed that helped ameliorate his Parkinson's symptoms) and that lemon terpine (tha does wonders to freshen up my smile while sanitizing my brain) can really help attempt fine-tuning suitable meds for certain ailments..

NEEDMMASAP said:

I'm just wondering why you would want to test all parts of the plant ? from what I read some parts of the plant is disposed of ?
What your doing is interesting and good for everyone . Another thing I have read is that the roots can be used but I do not see anyone using them on U-tube ?

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well lets say you grab a sample from different areas of your plant. the top, the middle, and the bottom.

we need a gram of test material (enough to run 3 tests). if you grab a portion from each you will have a better average for the entire plant then.

if you grab your top and your bottom only and compare- there is going to be some difference. THIS may be a benficial test for some who are wanting to get a better idea of how their plant grows when what parts become "ripe" and which aireas with have what levels of potency and when.

abe supercro said:

for instance, i would like to pollinate a few high cbd strains with a genetic line known to have high cbd (cannatonic or otto #1... Are There Others?), however the available new male has yet to be tested or proved the high cbd. I am told that vegetative leaf material testing can at least present ratios of thc/cbd to give you an idea of cbd richness, or not, but only flowering will obviously give ya the better numbers..

Yes testing for other forms like thc-v (bob believed that helped ameliorate his Parkinson's symptoms) and that lemon terpine (tha does wonders to freshen up my smile while sanitizing my brain) can really help attempt fine-tuning suitable meds for certain ailments..

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a friend of mine just got some cuts of blue cough. 43 percent CBD and 3 percent THC. there also is Tora bora which is like 15 CBD and 7 thc.

and cannatonic is a fav of mine. very soothing, no really high but the body is soothed and pain goes a way.

tomcatjones said:

a friend of mine just got some cuts of blue cough. 43 percent CBD and 3 percent THC. there also is Tora bora which is like 15 CBD and 7 thc.

and cannatonic is a fav of mine. very soothing, no really high but the body is soothed and pain goes a way.

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43%? I assume that's a typing error. I've never heard of anything with total cannabinoid percentage that high let alone any single cannabinoid.

Huel Perkins said:

43%? I assume that's a typing error. I've never heard of anything with total cannabinoid percentage that high let alone any single cannabinoid.

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nope. not a typo.

here's the thing.... we've bred OUT most cannabinoids and their potency levels have been affected considerably...

my other dream: to start producing mass quantities of SEED, that still contain THCa, CBDa and the others acid groups as well. -but good luck, humans have intervened (and their laws) and i'm no master breeder yet. but we've spent hundreds of years selecting only the thc by effect and terpenes by their flavors/tastes. CBG for bone growth is awfully hard to gauge by the flower late in the plants life. however a larger concentration in seed would be WAY more beneficial to us.

here is an online report of blue cough. not the same cut i'm sure that my friend got, but close like i said. higher on THC than i was told, but again.. different phenos, who knows how stable. yadda.

Blue Cough here are the lab results essential oil extraction of the
Blue Cough strain the #'s are : 3:10 ratio THC 12.6% CBD 39.5% CBN .9%"

(no idea where the test was done, just pulled from a search for it)
-you know when i get my hands on it, i'll do tests. and i'm not here to inflate anyone. if anything push them to strive better.

tomcatjones said:

nope. not a typo.

here's the thing.... we've bred OUT most cannabinoids and their potency levels have been affected considerably...

my other dream: to start producing mass quantities of SEED, that still contain THCa, CBDa and the others acid groups as well. -but good luck, humans have intervened (and their laws) and i'm no master breeder yet. but we've spent hundreds of years selecting only the thc by effect and terpenes by their flavors/tastes. CBG for bone growth is awfully hard to gauge by the flower late in the plants life. however a larger concentration in seed would be WAY more beneficial to us.

here is an online report of blue cough. not the same cut i'm sure that my friend got, but close like i said. higher on THC than i was told, but again.. different phenos, who knows how stable. yadda.

Blue Cough here are the lab results essential oil extraction of the
Blue Cough strain the #'s are : 3:10 ratio THC 12.6% CBD 39.5% CBN .9%"

(no idea where the test was done, just pulled from a search for it)
-you know when i get my hands on it, i'll do tests. and i'm not here to inflate anyone. if anything push them to strive better.

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Now it makes sense lol! "Essential oil extraction" means they were testing some sort of concentrate such as hash or BHO, not plant material.

tomcatjones said:

nope. not a typo.

here's the thing.... we've bred OUT most cannabinoids and their potency levels have been affected considerably...

my other dream: to start producing mass quantities of SEED, that still contain THCa, CBDa and the others acid groups as well. -but good luck, humans have intervened (and their laws) and i'm no master breeder yet. but we've spent hundreds of years selecting only the thc by effect and terpenes by their flavors/tastes. CBG for bone growth is awfully hard to gauge by the flower late in the plants life. however a larger concentration in seed would be WAY more beneficial to us.

here is an online report of blue cough. not the same cut i'm sure that my friend got, but close like i said. higher on THC than i was told, but again.. different phenos, who knows how stable. yadda.

Blue Cough here are the lab results essential oil extraction of the
Blue Cough strain the #'s are : 3:10 ratio THC 12.6% CBD 39.5% CBN .9%"

(no idea where the test was done, just pulled from a search for it)
-you know when i get my hands on it, i'll do tests. and i'm not here to inflate anyone. if anything push them to strive better.

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Wanted to add a little more to this now that i'm awake...

Cannabinoids weren't necessarily bred out as much as high THC was bred in. For years and years breeders have been practicing selective breeding, most breeders aiming to increase THC levels as well total cannabinoid (resin) levels. The byproduct of this breeding has been extreme total cannabinoid levels but THC has displaced most of the the other cannabinoids. The reason your 43% CBD was a red flag to me is because plants just don't produce that kind of cannabinoid level, that would mean that the plant material was nearly 50% pure resin (trichomes). Even the frostiest, most potent, highest THC or CBD buds are still only in the 25% total cannabinoid ballpark.

Can you please elaborate more on what you mean by producing seed that contains THCa and CBDa?

Huel Perkins said:

Wanted to add a little more to this now that i'm awake...

Cannabinoids weren't necessarily bred out as much as high THC was bred in. For years and years breeders have been practicing selective breeding, most breeders aiming to increase THC levels as well total cannabinoid (resin) levels. The byproduct of this breeding has been extreme total cannabinoid levels but THC has displaced most of the the other cannabinoids. The reason your 43% CBD was a red flag to me is because plants just don't produce that kind of cannabinoid level, that would mean that the plant material was nearly 50% pure resin (trichomes). Even the frostiest, most potent, highest THC or CBD buds are still only in the 25% total cannabinoid ballpark.

Can you please elaborate more on what you mean by producing seed that contains THCa and CBDa?

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I was reading this and found it hard to believe they could get results this good ? 99.6 Pure ?

Marijuana contains various cannabinoids, Hornby explains, with THC usually predominant. Hemp has barely a percent or two of THC. The best dried marijuana bud generally maxes out at about 27% THC. Sieved hashish averages about 45% THC. Bubblehash averages about 53% THC. Solvent-extracted products usually have more THC than bud, water hash or sieved hash, but none have tested as high as Budder, and Hornby says Budder is further distinguished because it does not contain any heavy metals, radioactivity, or other markers associated with inferior fertilizers used on source bud.
"The top Budder sample was 99.6% pure," Hornby explained, "which means if you had an ounce of it, only a tiny fraction of a gram would be anything other than cannabinoids. We also tested Budder for toxins, solvents, molds, diseases, heavy metals and other contaminants. There were none. It's essentially just pure cannabinoids. I've tested a lot of cannabis materials, but this is the most impressive."
Hornby's tests also found Budder contains 80 to 90% of its cannabinoids as THC. It contains much smaller percentages of two other cannabinoids: cannabidiol and cannabinol. Of these two, cannabidiol (CBD) is most important because it has medicinal effects and moderates the stimulative effects of THC.

Huel Perkins said:

Wanted to add a little more to this now that i'm awake...

Cannabinoids weren't necessarily bred out as much as high THC was bred in. For years and years breeders have been practicing selective breeding, most breeders aiming to increase THC levels as well total cannabinoid (resin) levels. The byproduct of this breeding has been extreme total cannabinoid levels but THC has displaced most of the the other cannabinoids. The reason your 43% CBD was a red flag to me is because plants just don't produce that kind of cannabinoid level, that would mean that the plant material was nearly 50% pure resin (trichomes). Even the frostiest, most potent, highest THC or CBD buds are still only in the 25% total cannabinoid ballpark.

Can you please elaborate more on what you mean by producing seed that contains THCa and CBDa?

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you weren't awake and i was pretty stoned. i can see the confusion. and some my bad. a couple things to address..

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&ved=0CFsQFjAH&url=http://www.micannalytics.com/pdf/pdf.php?sampleid=110156&dispensary=10&ei=u0BqUOLTH-ma0QHB0YHACw&usg=AFQjCNEaa7ldrnaqPz3Ca4SBjfxWa7ZTWg&sig2=W4jrsF0b-7jac_QNHLLfXg

there is a michigan variation of blue cough from green bee collective. 15 and 3 sounds better, lol

tomcatjones said:

you weren't awake and i was pretty stoned. i can see the confusion. and some my bad. a couple things to address..

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&ved=0CFsQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.micannalytics.com%2Fpdf%2Fpdf.php%3Fsampleid%3D110156%26dispensary%3D10&ei=u0BqUOLTH-ma0QHB0YHACw&usg=AFQjCNEaa7ldrnaqPz3Ca4SBjfxWa7ZTWg&sig2=W4jrsF0b-7jac_QNHLLfXg

there is a michigan variation of blue cough from green bee collective. 15 and 3 sounds better, lol

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I rechecked that article , why would the ratios be so far off , I can understand the percentages being higher but why would the ratios change ?

According to Dr Paul Hornby, a chemist and plant analyst who runs a company (www.hedron.ca) that tests cannabis products for purity and potency, "Budder is the cleanest, most potent cannabis product I've ever tested."
Marijuana contains various cannabinoids, Hornby explains, with THC usually predominant. Hemp has barely a percent or two of THC. The best dried marijuana bud generally maxes out at about 27% THC. Sieved hashish averages about 45% THC. Bubblehash averages about 53% THC. Solvent-extracted products usually have more THC than bud, water hash or sieved hash, but none have tested as high as Budder, and Hornby says Budder is further distinguished because it does not contain any heavy metals, radioactivity, or other markers associated with inferior fertilizers used on source bud.
"The top Budder sample was 99.6% pure," Hornby explained, "which means if you had an ounce of it, only a tiny fraction of a gram would be anything other than cannabinoids. We also tested Budder for toxins, solvents, molds, diseases, heavy metals and other contaminants. There were none. It's essentially just pure cannabinoids. I've tested a lot of cannabis materials, but this is the most impressive."
Hornby's tests also found Budder contains 80 to 90% of its cannabinoids as THC. It contains much smaller percentages of two other cannabinoids: cannabidiol and cannabinol. Of these two, cannabidiol (CBD) is most important because it has medicinal effects and moderates the stimulative effects of THC.

The stuff testing over 99% pure is some sort of solvent based extraction process, whoever did it probably has some serious lab equipment and really knows their shit.

Huel Perkins said:

The stuff testing over 99% pure is some sort of solvent based extraction process, whoever did it probably has some serious lab equipment and really knows their shit.

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I know almost nothing about MM or the testing , but I see why you think testing is important , if different plants can have such a wide ratio of THC and CBD how could anyone one know how good the product would be , especially the Oil .

The ratio in the Green Bee site THC 2.2 % CBD 7.5 %
The article on Wikipedia if broken down would be way different ( THC 80 % to 90 % and CBD less than 10 % to 20 % )

Or am I looking at this all wrong ? By the way did you see the MMMA report about the MM Doctor being charged by the DA , I hope their not going to start targeting the doctors , that could be bad .

I have no idea what you're trying to ask, maybe I'm just not awake enough yet...

NEEDMMASAP said:

I know almost nothing about MM or the testing , but I see why you think testing is important , if different plants can have such a wide ratio of THC and CBD how could anyone one know how good the product would be , especially the Oil .

The ratio in the Green Bee site THC 2.2 % CBD 7.5 %
The article on Wikipedia if broken down would be way different ( THC 80 % to 90 % and CBD less than 10 % to 20 % )

Or am I looking at this all wrong ? By the way did you see the MMMA report about the MM Doctor being charged by the DA , I hope their not going to start targeting the doctors , that could be bad .

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If you are seeing 80-90% THC on lab results you are likely looking at a highly concentrated extract like "wax" not budz/flowers.

As for THC and CBD, you will find a lower THC ratio when a higher CBD is present.

I hope this helps,
TheMan13

TheMan13 said:

If you are seeing 80-90% THC on lab results you are likely looking at a highly concentrated extract like "wax" not budz/flowers.

As for THC and CBD, you will find a lower THC ratio when a higher CBD is present.

I hope this helps,
TheMan13

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Maybe I just do not understand ratios the link tomcatjones posted the ratio was THC 2.2% and CBD 7.5% or 1 to 3.4 the other example was THC 80to 90% THC and 10 to 20% ( concentrated ) but the ratio would be 1 to .17
Just can't see how one strain could be so different from the other ?