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TheMan13

TheMan13

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I think it is just a matter of subtracting the plant material (green) and essentially testing the resin alone. That could account for your change in ration. I believe that is why some have questioned testing different parts of the plant. The tops of your buds/flowers are highly concentrated in resin and extracts from this part of the plant are referred to as "nectar" where as many extracts are obtained simply from sugar leaves.

Again, I hope this helps,
TheMan13
 
Huel Perkins

Huel Perkins

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NEEDMMASAP said:
Maybe I just do not understand ratios the link tomcatjones posted the ratio was THC 2.2% and CBD 7.5% or 1 to 3.4 the other example was THC 80to 90% THC and 10 to 20% ( concentrated ) but the ratio would be 1 to .17
Just can't see how one strain could be so different from the other ?
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Different strains and even different pheno types within the same strain can have vastly different cannabinoid profiles and levels. For example, you can grow two different seeds that came from the same bud and get two entirely different pheno types. One plant can yield buds that test at 20% THC and 1% CBD while the other plant yields buds that test at 1% THC and 20% CBD.
 
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NEEDMMASAP

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TheMan13 said:
I think it is just a matter of subtracting the plant material (green) and essentially testing the resin alone. That could account for your change in ration. I believe that is why some have questioned testing different parts of the plant. The tops of your buds/flowers are highly concentrated in resin and extracts from this part of the plant are referred to as "nectar" where as many extracts are obtained simply from sugar leaves.

Again, I hope this helps,
TheMan13
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Yes that helps a lot , Huel Perkins post helps a lot to , show's me I have a lot to learn , if a grower finds a plant that has the best balance of THC and CBD and has a cutting from that plant would all results be the same after that if you would keep using cuttings ?
 
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tomcatjones

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Needmmasap.. know the difference between phenotype and genotype?

huel and theman13 are totally correct on what they said.

AND... if michigan didn't have such a curing problem (i.e not being in a jar for longer than a week or two tops..if that) i do believe potency levels would gain at least 10 percent if they were cured to let the microbes destroy some chlorophyll and other plant matter. (and btw when i say potency, i mean everything. cannabinoids and flavonoids alike.) ..something to remember cannabinoids are flavonoids that are cannabis specific. in reality they are in the same class, O'shaughnessy's helped me figure that one out. (project cbd's quarterly cannabis science journal)
 
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tomcatjones

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NEEDMMASAP said:
Yes that helps a lot , Huel Perkins post helps a lot to , show's me I have a lot to learn , if a grower finds a plant that has the best balance of THC and CBD and has a cutting from that plant would all results be the same after that if you would keep using cuttings ?
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this is where genotype/pheno comes in.

you can give me a plant and i can try to grow it the same way you do - but my environment has differences. thus bringing out other phenotypes. markers and actions that will occur given the right circumstances or stimuli. though genetically identical and potential the same.

as with your plant... when you take cuts from your girls, the difference between a top and some side cuts can be immense. different phenos may be showing, and Theman13 already explained how the tops will be the more potent "nectar" why down below characteristics may be different. level of potency will change all over the plant, this is why the tests are supposed to be comprised of an averaged sample from around the plant (buds).
 
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NEEDMMASAP

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tomcatjones said:
this is where genotype/pheno comes in.

you can give me a plant and i can try to grow it the same way you do - but my environment has differences. thus bringing out other phenotypes. markers and actions that will occur given the right circumstances or stimuli. though genetically identical and potential the same.

as with your plant... when you take cuts from your girls, the difference between a top and some side cuts can be immense. different phenos may be showing, and Theman13 already explained how the tops will be the more potent "nectar" why down below characteristics may be different. level of potency will change all over the plant, this is why the tests are supposed to be comprised of an averaged sample from around the plant (buds).
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Thanks , mostly I am thinking about RSO , I assume the buds and trim would come from all over the plant so the ratio's for the oil would be what I would want to know if I was getting it from a caregiver , I also can see why it would be real good for the grower because the value of the product would be much higher , better for everybody . I find what your doing real cool , keep up the good work , there are a lot of people that will be better off because of your effort . Looking forward to hearing you speak sometime .
 
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tomcatjones

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Cory and trevor said:
hey tomcat, do you have an links to vids or reading for some cure tips? I could use the help I'm sure.
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TBH i just found out about the chlorophyll being broken down by microbes from kyle kushman. had some graphics and links. i'll post them as i find'em again.

...so who in for a 6 month cure time...? i have two plant that gone through and that i feel i'm proud of. so i'm going to hopefully. do two cure times. and then wait. as they finish, test them and check to see. with the HPLC and also by check i mean smoke a big fatty. :joint::hump:

http://medicalmarijuana.com/kyle-kushman/curing-marijuana
 
abe supercro

abe supercro

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- curing for months.. some have long(er) shelf life.. year long+ cures, yes! blueberry moonshine. this is the season to plan on what to stock your kind-cellar with. my budds mom has a cedar closet in the basement she don visit. jabbahs new years stash. j/k
 
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NEEDMMASAP

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abe supercro said:
- curing for months.. some have long(er) shelf life.. year long+ cures, yes! blueberry moonshine. this is the season to plan on what to stock your kind-cellar with. my budds mom has a cedar closet in the basement she don visit. jabbahs new years stash. j/k
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Even if they found out the proper cure time was a year it would not work , if a person were to cure 2.5 oz they would have no smoke or oil for the rest of the year , that would really suck , the goal should be to find a better way to cure in the shortest time possible . Maybe curing it in a vacuum or something like that .

I thought that because I have been gardening all my life that growing would be a piece of cake , but the fact that a plant can change sex is crazy , I’m beginning to see how smart you growers are , or maybe I am seeing how dumb I am ..
 
TheMan13

TheMan13

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NEEDMMASAP said:
Even if they found out the proper cure time was a year it would not work , if a person were to cure 2.5 oz they would have no smoke or oil for the rest of the year , that would really suck , the goal should be to find a better way to cure in the shortest time possible . Maybe curing it in a vacuum or something like that .

I thought that because I have been gardening all my life that growing would be a piece of cake , but the fact that a plant can change sex is crazy , I’m beginning to see how smart you growers are , or maybe I am seeing how dumb I am ..
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I do believe that for the chlorophyll to complete its transition into sugar it takes approximately three months and a "good cure" via a jar regimen will maintain the flavor and smell of the cannabinoids. I hope I am not confusing the issue here.
 
Huel Perkins

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I've done a one year cure before and I really didn't see any notable difference from my usual 2-3 week cure. This is another one of those topics I encourage others to experiment with and draw your own conclusion to rather than just following someone elses advice.
 
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NEEDMMASAP

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TheMan13 said:
I do believe that for the chlorophyll to complete its transition into sugar it takes approximately three months and a "good cure" via a jar regimen will maintain the flavor and smell of the cannabinoids. I hope I am not confusing the issue here.
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I’m going to study up on how they freeze dry things , because freeze dried products retain their richness and flavor , I would think the same thing could be used on MM , it would increase the shelf life but the 2.5 oz limit would screw things up , the flip side would be that you could hold your stash by freezing it because it would not be useable product correct ?
 
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NEEDMMASAP

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Huel Perkins said:
I've done a one year cure before and I really didn't see any notable difference from my usual 2-3 week cure. This is another one of those topics I encourage others to experiment with and draw your own conclusion to rather than just following someone elses advice.
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It would be cool if someone could come up with a 2 or 3 day cure instead of 2 or 3 weeks .
 
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tomcatjones

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NEEDMMASAP said:
I’m going to study up on how they freeze dry things , because freeze dried products retain their richness and flavor , I would think the same thing could be used on MM , it would increase the shelf life but the 2.5 oz limit would screw things up , the flip side would be that you could hold your stash by freezing it because it would not be useable product correct ?
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maybe once it is cured and to store you could freeze dry it. that is how to federal patients get their tins.. its grown and stored from 2003 and they get those joints now in 2012.. because of that Irv Rosenfeld said he re rolls to joints they come in, lol

now.. air is important during the cure, you need the aerobic microbe activity to break down the plant matter.


Silica gel tubes that go into jars have been made to help cut cure time, but i dunno their true effectiveness.
 
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NEEDMMASAP

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tomcatjones said:
maybe once it is cured and to store you could freeze dry it. that is how to federal patients get their tins.. its grown and stored from 2003 and they get those joints now in 2012.. because of that Irv Rosenfeld said he re rolls to joints they come in, lol

now.. air is important during the cure, you need the aerobic microbe activity to break down the plant matter.






Silica gel tubes that go into jars have been made to help cut cure time, but i dunno their true effectiveness.
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I retired from the refrigeration business , worked a lot with flash freezers and vacuums , for sure when I finally get to grow I will play with this . 2.5 oz could become a few grams and then those few grams could become way less . It would sure increase my allowed stash
Our driers were Silica gel , they just suck up and hold the moisture
 
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