Health issues(or benefits) from using Hallucinatory Substances....

The english language is fun..if you took that statement for literal definition of the words,its hilarious!.."dont touch me while I'm 'rolling balls'"..hahaha...I kid...

if only it were that simple

rory420420 said:

The english language is fun..if you took that statement for literal definition of the words,its hilarious!.."dont touch me while I'm 'rolling balls'"..hahaha...I kid...

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Did you know the definition of literally has had figuratively added to it in the newest edition of the American Heritage Dictionary.

Ha!...wonder when tripping nuts will show up?

just go to urban dictionary lol

Does anyone ever fucking order from these spam bots?!

Sadly the word dictionary is not prevalant in urban society atidd...spambot?!? I'm curious if I talk about lsd enough if they will try to sell me some egotamine...lol

StickyTreez said:

I should qualify my experience and say that i know more people whov taken LSD or Shrooms alot and are fine than are messed up. But the ones who have developed problems regret ever taking anything.

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I think this accurately describes the situation. Most people when they take a psychedelic can rationalize the experience. Those with a predisposition toward a mental issue, whether it be anxiety, phobias, or schizophrenia, should, in almost every situation, avoid these substances, as they are known to trigger an underlying mental condition. With that said, I seriously believe, and there is plenty of research to back it up, that psychedelics, and even compounds such as MDMA, have a far larger safety margin than does alcohol, cocaine, opiates, benzos, as well as various other research chemicals and pharmaceuticals.

Cannabis is incredibly safe, but can carry the same dangers as psychedelics to those with mental conditions. Alcohol is also a known potentiator of anxiety disorders, and many other mental health issues.

Here is an article that suggests that Psychedelic Drugs are even linked to a lower risk of mental illness.
Link (http://www.healthline.com/health-news/mental-psychedelics-not-linked-to-mental-health-problems-082213)

I think people can also learn and grow from bad trips. One example I experienced myself. I was tripping regularly on shrooms, dealing shrooms and weed, and my place was turning into a party house. Always 10-20 people a day. Then one bad acid trip, and I had bad anxiety after. So I took hold of my life, and made some serious changes. Kicked all the major drugies out of my life, stopped selling, cut my plants (cause i was freaking out, with the right too, my place was being watched) I think if it weren't for that bad trip i would have ended up in jail or in some kind of trouble, possibly could have lost my house. Any ways, complete turn around, quit it all, just smoked weed. The anxiety went away after a while of feeling like i had nothing to worry about. Since then i have done LSD once and shrooms 2 or 3 times, no problems, actually enjoyed myself.

In a friends case, he was a heavy drinker, smoked marijuana and cigarettes, he took way too much mescaline, had a horrible time, since then he has quit drinking, quit smoking weed, and a few months of weening himself off, quit smoking cigs. Now his main addiction is working out, hes a health freak now. Complete turn around, just needed a bad trip to open his eyes.

Im not in anyway saying this is always the case. Just putting it out there, maybe there is something she needs to work out, mentally.

Also i didnt read this whole thread, just realized there is 7 pages lol so I might not be on topic anymore.

LakesideWiseman said:

I think this accurately describes the situation. Most people when they take a psychedelic can rationalize the experience. Those with a predisposition toward a mental issue, whether it be anxiety, phobias, or schizophrenia, should, in almost every situation, avoid these substances, as they are known to trigger an underlying mental condition. With that said, I seriously believe, and there is plenty of research to back it up, that psychedelics, and even compounds such as MDMA, have a far larger safety margin than does alcohol, cocaine, opiates, benzos, as well as various other research chemicals and pharmaceuticals.

Cannabis is incredibly safe, but can carry the same dangers as psychedelics to those with mental conditions. Alcohol is also a known potentiator of anxiety disorders, and many other mental health issues.

Here is an article that suggests that Psychedelic Drugs are even linked to a lower risk of mental illness.
Link (http://www.healthline.com/health-news/mental-psychedelics-not-linked-to-mental-health-problems-082213)

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I have seen horrible reactions to pot. Part of it was the unexpected potency of the drug that I offered, part was latent tendancies in the user, a few were Viet Nam vets who had not yet come to grips with their PTSD (back then it was just another way for vets to get attention, right? I mean Agent Orange was benign and seeing your best friend blown to bits, having his guts and blood all over him isn't lastingly traumatic, right?). In these people, a session of hash smoking precipitated breakdowns, bizare behavior and attempted suicide. Would that have happened without the pot? I don't know, but I doubt it. On the other hand I never did see lasting ill effects of LSD on anyone. Of course, many mental disorders begin to manifest themselves in men (or women) just after they exit their teens. Back then, we were just beginning to take LSD during those years so no one can ever be sure that acid had the effect the media portrayed.
Well posted though, it is difficult to say ANYTHING bad about pot on this forum without someone getting bent out of shape. After all, Pot is the benign panacea given us by God himself.

nicktater said:

I think people can also learn and grow from bad trips. One example I experienced myself. I was tripping regularly on shrooms, dealing shrooms and weed, and my place was turning into a party house. Always 10-20 people a day. Then one bad acid trip, and I had bad anxiety after. So I took hold of my life, and made some serious changes. Kicked all the major drugies out of my life, stopped selling, cut my plants (cause i was freaking out, with the right too, my place was being watched) I think if it weren't for that bad trip i would have ended up in jail or in some kind of trouble, possibly could have lost my house. Any ways, complete turn around, quit it all, just smoked weed. The anxiety went away after a while of feeling like i had nothing to worry about. Since then i have done LSD once and shrooms 2 or 3 times, no problems, actually enjoyed myself.

In a friends case, he was a heavy drinker, smoked marijuana and cigarettes, he took way too much mescaline, had a horrible time, since then he has quit drinking, quit smoking weed, and a few months of weening himself off, quit smoking cigs. Now his main addiction is working out, hes a health freak now. Complete turn around, just needed a bad trip to open his eyes.

Im not in anyway saying this is always the case. Just putting it out there, maybe there is something she needs to work out, mentally.

Also i didnt read this whole thread, just realized there is 7 pages lol so I might not be on topic anymore.

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I have found it not uncommon for folks to "turn their lives around" after an intense time on mushrooms. OF course just as often the only way they turn their lives around is to refrain from eating mushrooms.

Yeah, i stopped tripping for a few months. Just had a very different mind set after that. I think hard trips can really help some people realize things they didnt before. Just a very good learning tool if you ask me. Even though it may be unpleasant it can pay off. My buddy said he felt the same way with the MESCALINE, see i learned to spell, (i spelled it without the i at first until i looked back at it lmao) Said he wouldnt do it again to trip out and party, but to learn something new, when hes ready for it again.

canndo said:

I have seen horrible reactions to pot. Part of it was the unexpected potency of the drug that I offered, part was latent tendancies in the user, a few were Viet Nam vets who had not yet come to grips with their PTSD (back then it was just another way for vets to get attention, right? I mean Agent Orange was benign and seeing your best friend blown to bits, having his guts and blood all over him isn't lastingly traumatic, right?). In these people, a session of hash smoking precipitated breakdowns, bizare behavior and attempted suicide. Would that have happened without the pot? I don't know, but I doubt it. On the other hand I never did see lasting ill effects of LSD on anyone. Of course, many mental disorders begin to manifest themselves in men (or women) just after they exit their teens. Back then, we were just beginning to take LSD during those years so no one can ever be sure that acid had the effect the media portrayed.
Well posted though, it is difficult to say ANYTHING bad about pot on this forum without someone getting bent out of shape. After all, Pot is the benign panacea given us by God himself.

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Thank you.

I have seen friends of mine in perfectly good mental states go absolutely nuts, temporarily, after smoking marijuana, or taking mushrooms/LSD. They always returned to the other side, and always learned something valuable, even if it was simply to not do that again... Or, take less next time.

Something that tripped me out was my friend who, is now, medicated bipolar. He didn't smoke for like 2 years after starting medication, and now I smoke with him occasionally and he's totally fine. It even helps to calm him down in crowded situations like a music festival or house party. I was so scared when he asked to join us the first time, but it wasn't a problem.

It's always a good thing to remember that everyone reacts differently to drugs. You may have no problem smoking that pure sativa, and the guy next to you has a panic attack. You smoke that indica and fall asleep, and the guy that just had the panic attack starts conversing and handling shit like a regular human being. Each person needs to evaluate the therapeutic potential vs. the side effects. Once it is legalized it will be much easier for a doctor to work with a patient to find the proper dosage, rather than someone else with much more tolerance packing you a bowl or handing you a dab... but until then...

I love cannabis more than the average person, as does everyone here on these boards, I am sure... but damn, has it twisted friends of mine.

nicktater said:

Said he wouldnt do it again to trip out and party, but to learn something new, when hes ready for it again.

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I don't think psychedelics should ever be used as a party drug. LSD and many 2c-x compounds are loads of fun if there is music playing and people having a great time, I know I've done it dozens of times, however I truly believe the magic from these drugs comes from introspection, and even introspection has its limitations... At some point you can only analyze so far, you actually have to get up and make it happen, and that's when the need to use psychedelics disappears...

It's a shame that drugs that cause you to think are so heavily regulated, and have so much stigma, while opiates and benzos are handed out left and right, and leave nothing much more than an empty shell of their users.

Damn canndo,you really seem to loath pot..lol..lakeside..I trip often,and usually for fun times,but no matter when,how or what I trip on,there is allways a few thought of introspection,wether its fleeting or I study on it for a few hours..I don't know how anyone can take a psychedelic without having just one thought of how to bettter oneself..sometimes that thought will manifest later(example your bad trip) or right then at the precise moment you think of it..I've seen people look at a cig and say'no more'...and never light up again..I feel america needs to be dosed,but not smoke pot!lol..I kid..

maybe not america..the whole world.

'Better living through chemistry'..isn't that dow's motto?

rory420420 said:

Damn canndo,you really seem to loath pot..lol..lakeside..I trip often,and usually for fun times,but no matter when,how or what I trip on,there is allways a few thought of introspection,wether its fleeting or I study on it for a few hours..I don't know how anyone can take a psychedelic without having just one thought of how to bettter oneself..sometimes that thought will manifest later(example your bad trip) or right then at the precise moment you think of it..I've seen people look at a cig and say'no more'...and never light up again..I feel america needs to be dosed,but not smoke pot!lol..I kid..

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I listen to a habitual crystal meth user explain to me up and down why weed was bad. This guy could snort a rail of pink dope 12 inches long. (if you have ever tried snorting crystal meth, imagine that but even dirtier).....'weed slows you down man, why would you want to slow down ?" ....this guy was fully functional as a every day tweaker too. He honestly thought that Weed was more of a drug than meth.

Now, whether or not you agree with this man is not the point. It is not even the point to consider this mans finances or his employment status. He just liked dope. He was addicted to and loved dope. He liked it so much, that he considered it against all other drugs and formulated a well thought out argument for why meth is better than marijuana..........

Here is another example of why I believe ALL drugs need to be legalized. This man was not a thief, he was trustworthy , and actually a pretty good guy. He has used meth since he was in high school and is probably like 50 now. A very good mechanic and handyman, that could work a full day and contribute quite well to any society. Construction, repair, you name it.

Making Highly addictive drugs illegal does not stop people from using them!!!!! It only breeds a ground for immoral behavior and thievery. I would submit that making a drug illegal creates more of a epidemic than having a drug legalized. Legalizing a drug is effectively validating that drug, which in turn would lead to a lot of education on the drug. Everyone would know exactly what the fuck the drug was and how to use it and where to buy it(for cheap). No One would be at all interested in the drug.

For this I turn your attention to Brazil where they have adopted decriminalized drugs system.. There is a specific place to use the drugs in this country. When teens at the local high schools were interviewed and given surveys about drugs , 99% of the kids thought drugs were REally really stupid and completely uncool. Only losers smoked meth and crack and heroin. They have a much lower drug addiction rate as well......

Anywho , the moral of this ramble is Different Strokes for Different Folks. Legalize drugs.