Heaths Flooded Tube Vertical

Demosthenese

Well-Known Member
the water will prbly just be too heavy. maybe not. using h202 might corrode it or something... i thought about using the corrugated plasting tubing they use for drainage runoff, since i thought piping might be a lot more expensive. It wont bend on a tight enough angle though to fit inside the space i had, so i used 4' pvc in the end. it's not that expensive to build the setup out of 4 inch pvc, the biggest expense is the 90" bends u need to buy, and it might even be possible to bend those into the pvc without fittings if you were careful and good with a heat gun. if you try the aluminum tubing, make sure to use lots of strapping to support it really well between most of the pots.
 

mrduke

Well-Known Member
if your looking for a cheaper alternative to pvc there is a pipe called polypipe used for drainage which is a dual wall white plastic pipe it runs about 8 bucks for 10' and fittings are like 2. availble at HD and Lowes in norcal
 

Lobo69

Active Member
Hey.
Do you guys think I could use a 42 inch by 6 foot space with a 1000 watt hps in a cooltube for this type of setup?
Would the plants have enough room to grow? If so, What size should the cuttings be before I flower them?
 

itsjustaplant

Active Member
i really like the way you did the man, I think I will try something similar.

My only comment. That pump looks tiny to be pumping 1000 gal/hr. How much much would you say is actually going through the vertical piping.

Also do you ever have problems with roots clogging you're pipes?
 

proheto8008

Well-Known Member
if your looking for a cheaper alternative to pvc there is a pipe called polypipe used for drainage which is a dual wall white plastic pipe it runs about 8 bucks for 10' and fittings are like 2. availble at HD and Lowes in norcal
can you give the exact name of this product or send a link?
 

fatman7574

New Member
What is the average spacing on the horizontal and vertical plane, how many weeks of how many hours of 600 watts lighting from cutting to finish and at what room and reservoir temperatures? As you give no PAR readings or lumen readings I assume you used no meters to determine your diameter but are basing the diameter and number of tiers merely on past experimentation of yours or someone else who also took no readings? No DO readings either? A DO reading of the inlet and outlet nutrient water with preferably a few in between would be very helpful also.

No offense but such data is more useful to me than pictures or final yield results not related to total kWh used for light.

Based upon what information was given it looks like a good methodology for a low temp, therefore slow grow. You have also stated that the DO is dependent upon the fast flow of water through the tubes and relating that to a waterfall aerating water due to your drop from tier to tier or the turbulence created by any fall over the adjustable walls. What is the pitch to your tubes from one adjustable wall to the next, as other than adjusting the walls the pitch will determine the fall and therforethe amount of turbulence. Have you thought of introducing more air into the system such as with an air pump rather than depending just on the air coming in through your pots growing medium to supply O2 at the air-water interface surface, or maybe using a venturi in the water line.

Measured emperical data can not be checked against future trial emperical data (be repeated) if it is not known. Although observations are also considered emperical data, experimentation of real use should contain as much measurable emperical data as is possible. Pictures are just pictures, they are merely guides or records of visual observations. Pictures of PAR readings, CO2 ppm readings, temp and DO readings would be of more use.
 

That 5hit

Well-Known Member
What is the average spacing on the horizontal and vertical plane, how many weeks of how many hours of 600 watts lighting from cutting to finish and at what room and reservoir temperatures? As you give no PAR readings or lumen readings I assume you used no meters to determine your diameter but are basing the diameter and number of tiers merely on past experimentation of yours or someone else who also took no readings? No DO readings either? A DO reading of the inlet and outlet nutrient water with preferably a few in between would be very helpful also.

No offense but such data is more useful to me than pictures or final yield results not related to total kWh used for light.

Based upon what information was given it looks like a good methodology for a low temp, therefore slow grow. You have also stated that the DO is dependent upon the fast flow of water through the tubes and relating that to a waterfall aerating water due to your drop from tier to tier or the turbulence created by any fall over the adjustable walls. What is the pitch to your tubes from one adjustable wall to the next, as other than adjusting the walls the pitch will determine the fall and therforethe amount of turbulence. Have you thought of introducing more air into the system such as with an air pump rather than depending just on the air coming in through your pots growing medium to supply O2 at the air-water interface surface, or maybe using a venturi in the water line.

Measured emperical data can not be checked against future trial emperical data (be repeated) if it is not known. Although observations are also considered emperical data, experimentation of real use should contain as much measurable emperical data as is possible. Pictures are just pictures, they are merely guides or records of visual observations. Pictures of PAR readings, CO2 ppm readings, temp and DO readings would be of more use.
wtf are you talking 'bout

40+ oz's from one 600w hps speaks for it self
the pics and the little bit of info that he did provide was just a grow outline he wants you to take it and build from it if you want to put a meter in or what ever do it but dont shit talk a guy getting those results and shareing the info freely he does not have to do anything- you could always asume the average- for me he gave a lot of gr8 info, but thats just my skill level- i would not suggest you atempting a grow this size if you have to ask those questions, you may want to stick to 1 or 2 plants with cfls

where are your grows, bytch
 

Wemp

Well-Known Member
What is the average spacing on the horizontal and vertical plane, how many weeks of how many hours of 600 watts lighting from cutting to finish and at what room and reservoir temperatures? As you give no PAR readings or lumen readings I assume you used no meters to determine your diameter but are basing the diameter and number of tiers merely on past experimentation of yours or someone else who also took no readings? No DO readings either? A DO reading of the inlet and outlet nutrient water with preferably a few in between would be very helpful also.

No offense but such data is more useful to me than pictures or final yield results not related to total kWh used for light.

Based upon what information was given it looks like a good methodology for a low temp, therefore slow grow. You have also stated that the DO is dependent upon the fast flow of water through the tubes and relating that to a waterfall aerating water due to your drop from tier to tier or the turbulence created by any fall over the adjustable walls. What is the pitch to your tubes from one adjustable wall to the next, as other than adjusting the walls the pitch will determine the fall and therforethe amount of turbulence. Have you thought of introducing more air into the system such as with an air pump rather than depending just on the air coming in through your pots growing medium to supply O2 at the air-water interface surface, or maybe using a venturi in the water line.

Measured emperical data can not be checked against future trial emperical data (be repeated) if it is not known. Although observations are also considered emperical data, experimentation of real use should contain as much measurable emperical data as is possible. Pictures are just pictures, they are merely guides or records of visual observations. Pictures of PAR readings, CO2 ppm readings, temp and DO readings would be of more use.

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fatman7574

New Member
wtf are you talking 'bout

40+ oz's from one 600w hps speaks for it self
the pics and the little bit of info that he did provide was just a grow outline he wants you to take it and build from it if you want to put a meter in or what ever do it but dont shit talk a guy getting those results and shareing the info freely he does not have to do anything- you could always asume the average- for me he gave a lot of gr8 info, but thats just my skill level- i would not suggest you atempting a grow this size if you have to ask those questions, you
may want to stick to 1 or 2 plants with cfls

where are your grows, bytch
Fine he provides enough information that any dumb hick can possiblty copy his exact grow if they use the same of everthing including keeping the same parameters which he does not share. Given the data I asked for as it relates to his grow another person could reduce the size or increase the size grow area to a size suited to other sized lights or other sized pipes or others ventilation or watering systems.

That would be more useful than just given enough information to copy his specfic set up. Some people are learners some are copiers (sheep) without having any idea what or why other than somebody else got something to work that they think they can copy. Sorta like the difference between a driver and a mechanic/driver or engineer/builder. Obviously you are happy with being a mere follower or copier. Everybody that asked some stupid quaestion such as how long is each piece of pipe was not harassed over the questions asked. However any body that had a good question or qusetion the simplistic informato ion given without giving useful dat was basically told to go away.

Obviously your a sheep with no intent in learning just copying so are content with such mimimal information.
 

Wemp

Well-Known Member
Fine he provides enough information that any dumb hick can possiblty copy his exact grow if they use the same of everthing including keeping the same parameters which he does not share. Given the data I asked for as it relates to his grow another person could reduce the size or increase the size grow area to a size suited to other sized lights or other sized pipes or others ventilation or watering systems.

That would be more useful than just given enough information to copy his specfic set up. Some people are learners some are copiers (sheep) without having any idea what or why other than somebody else got something to work that they think they can copy. Sorta like the difference between a driver and a mechanic/driver or engineer/builder. Obviously you are happy with being a mere follower or copier. Everybody that asked some stupid quaestion such as how long is each piece of pipe was not harassed over the questions asked. However any body that had a good question or qusetion the simplistic informato ion given without giving useful dat was basically told to go away.

Obviously your a sheep with no intent in learning just copying so are content with such mimimal information.

Quit your bitchin
 

milowerx96

Active Member
nice system. Do you have any aeration issues down at the bottom?





Sorry for the poor picture but this collar controls the level in the tubes.



This is a pic of the dam inside the collar, as you can see twisting this collar alters the hight of liquid inside the tube.



Feed from pump into top tube.



Empty res showing brown pipe return, and the pump with bypass fitted.



And with the res full and the water returning from the vert.


Looking into the flooded tube.



And finally wrapped in reflective material ready to load up!.







Heath
 

fatman7574

New Member
Yew

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Dum

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No I just choose not to be ignorant. If I copied his grow I would just be ignorant but possibly able to grow as much as him if I identically copy his build and unknown parameters. sure he is not required nor need he answer any of my quaestions. I would just possibly learn something if he did. However I have learned nothing by waht he has shared other than if I exactly copied him (which he does not give enough data to do) I have a good chance of getting the same results. That is not learning anything. like I just wrote that is merely being a sheep or worse.kiss-ass

As far as photos, it will never happen on an open public forum.

You are juvenille.
 

That 5hit

Well-Known Member
Fine he provides enough information that any dumb hick can possiblty copy his exact grow if they use the same of everthing including keeping the same parameters which he does not share. Given the data I asked for as it relates to his grow another person could reduce the size or increase the size grow area to a size suited to other sized lights or other sized pipes or others ventilation or watering systems.

That would be more useful than just given enough information to copy his specfic set up. Some people are learners some are copiers (sheep) without having any idea what or why other than somebody else got something to work that they think they can copy. Sorta like the difference between a driver and a mechanic/driver or engineer/builder. Obviously you are happy with being a mere follower or copier. Everybody that asked some stupid quaestion such as how long is each piece of pipe was not harassed over the questions asked. However any body that had a good question or qusetion the simplistic informato ion given without giving useful dat was basically told to go away.

Obviously your a sheep with no intent in learning just copying so are content with such mimimal information.
dude
just look at the pics and use your imagination
you can ablib most of it - how you think he came up with it
do you also need someone to whip your ass
sit down and draw it out first in your head then in on paper, then take your time and by part by part have every thing cut - take your time
 

Wemp

Well-Known Member
No I just choose not to be ignorant. If I copied his grow I would just be ignorant but possibly able to grow as much as him if I identically copy his build and unknown parameters. sure he is not required nor need he answer any of my quaestions. I would just possibly learn something if he did. However I have learned nothing by waht he has shared other than if I exactly copied him (which he does not give enough data to do) I have a good chance of getting the same results. That is not learning anything. like I just wrote that is merely being a sheep or worse.kiss-ass

As far as photos, it will never happen on an open public forum.

You are juvenille.

What are you 4? You cant spell and you need someone to hold your hand...

He doesnt give a flying fu** if you cant copy his build.. in fact he probably doesnt want you to. If YOU want to do what HE did.... figure it out yourself you little girl scout..
 
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