buckaclark
Well-Known Member
Don't go into the light!Thanks
Good to know
I had no idea until you showed me the light
Heaven, Hell, and the Devil aren't real, but God is?
- Thread starter Charles U Farley
- Start date
PopAndSonGrows
Well-Known Member
Everything outside of the living conscious World is a "construct".
Charles U Farley
Well-Known Member
The past, present and future all swirling together to create what we perceive as reality, until the spark goes out and we die. And then, as long as we've given more positive energy than negative, we get to create it all again, whenever we want, and with whoever we want, including pets.
I find that belief system comforting.
Charles U Farley
Well-Known Member
Some of us believe the "living conscious world" is the construct as well.
Drop That Sound
Well-Known Member
bursto
Well-Known Member
the first humans(Adam and Eve) had Gods protection (so would never get cancer) in the garden of eden, but were told not to disobey Gods commandment, to multiply and replenish the earth, and do not eat the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, or we will be cursed and die
as the story goes the devil lied to and tricked the woman first, and said god wasn't telling them the truth and they definitely wont die. She then gave it to Adam. Now God is disappointed and like any parent with disobedient children, that don't listen, basically says your on your own now and got bannished from the garden of eden, and had to work the ground for food
All life on earth humans and animals, now suffer from the same condition, of losing Gods protection, and not listening to Gods simple commandment, but instead the nice easy lies of the devil
The question is do you believe the devils lies, or that the creator could know whats best for us, and that he exists
the jews saw the parting of the sea, yet they still prayed to a golden calf, when Moses was busy with God, in the mountain
so forget about seeing signs and wonders from heaven, its already happened, and most of the jews didnt take it seriously back then.
again with not trusting in God, see the pattern here
to suggest God exists but the devil isn't real is naive, it is the devil who was cast down to earth by God and is running the show as best he can from here, (wars, climate change/pollution, corporate greed, gun violence, the Roman Catholic church, sexual violence etc.etc.)
if you looking for God to appear in a hospital to save a cancer victim or kids in Ukraine, you'll be disappointed every time. As weird as it sounds, the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, is the one true god, if you pray to Buddha, or Mohammed you might be a really nice guy but as mentioned earlier, in
john 14:6 you must get to know the son, before being accepted by the father
Ultimately, God created humans and animals on day 6 and the animals are to be ruled over by humans. Animals are a gift and responsibility for men to steward, they aren’t equals to men and women in the eyes of God.
time for the Ramones
as the story goes the devil lied to and tricked the woman first, and said god wasn't telling them the truth and they definitely wont die. She then gave it to Adam. Now God is disappointed and like any parent with disobedient children, that don't listen, basically says your on your own now and got bannished from the garden of eden, and had to work the ground for food
All life on earth humans and animals, now suffer from the same condition, of losing Gods protection, and not listening to Gods simple commandment, but instead the nice easy lies of the devil
The question is do you believe the devils lies, or that the creator could know whats best for us, and that he exists
the jews saw the parting of the sea, yet they still prayed to a golden calf, when Moses was busy with God, in the mountain
so forget about seeing signs and wonders from heaven, its already happened, and most of the jews didnt take it seriously back then.
again with not trusting in God, see the pattern here
to suggest God exists but the devil isn't real is naive, it is the devil who was cast down to earth by God and is running the show as best he can from here, (wars, climate change/pollution, corporate greed, gun violence, the Roman Catholic church, sexual violence etc.etc.)
if you looking for God to appear in a hospital to save a cancer victim or kids in Ukraine, you'll be disappointed every time. As weird as it sounds, the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, is the one true god, if you pray to Buddha, or Mohammed you might be a really nice guy but as mentioned earlier, in
john 14:6 you must get to know the son, before being accepted by the father
Ultimately, God created humans and animals on day 6 and the animals are to be ruled over by humans. Animals are a gift and responsibility for men to steward, they aren’t equals to men and women in the eyes of God.
time for the Ramones
Last edited:
Offmymeds
Well-Known Member
I personally believe that there may or may not be a consciousness after death. Don't worry, be happy. Live life for today. The past is the past. I use meditation when my mind begins reliving the long traumatic episodes of my life. I cry when I need to because that can be cathartic too. Those you love who have suffered and died don't want you to suffer. They would want you to be happy and to remember the joy you had with each other. Help each other and avoid anyone that wants to manipulate you with "stories" or make you feel bad. That's all any of us can do.
Last edited:
Charles U Farley
Well-Known Member
Just Be Here, Now.
It'll all work out if you let it... and you're not a selfish asshole who creates more negative energy than positive.
It'll all work out if you let it... and you're not a selfish asshole who creates more negative energy than positive.
I was told to believe this stuff as a child by my parents, neighbors, preachers and even school teachers. Where I was born had a lot to do with what religion I believed in. Im sure those born in other parts of the world are raised to believe the religion of their country and parents. Even within the Christian faith there are supposedly 3000 different denominations. Who is right? Is it even Christianity?
I guess my point is that the older I get and the more I study this stuff the more confused I get.
If our eternal destiny is based on how or what we believe then why is it so confusing? Why isn't it crystal clear? And don't say the bible makes it crystal clear. Read it with a critical thinking mind and see how clear it is. Don't pick and choose which verses make your point.
StonedGardener
Well-Known Member
The only two things that ever allowed me to escape Earth's gravity and " shoot me out into space , were mushrooms and the original Thai sticks that my pals brought back from Nam ( I missed that f'ing draft by one number .....two of my closet friends drew numbers one and two ) .
Charles U Farley
Well-Known Member
In 1973, I was #5.
If Nixon hadn't shitcanned the draft, my ass was gone... to Canada. That war killed the only older neighboor kid who didn't treat me like shit, as my 3 older brothers did.
StonedGardener
Well-Known Member
We got lucky , missing that nightmare ( tons of respect for those who weren't as fortunate....very dark days !) . That memorial in D.C. is crushing....heart wrenching.....and brought me to my knees !
Charles U Farley
Well-Known Member
To use a quote from the AOL crowd from the '90s, Me too!
Just reading your post has got me crying thinking about the Memorial... but I'm an old fuck, I can cry looking at a fucking McDonald's commercials these days.
When you've held your emotions in for so long, sometimes you just got let them out.
StonedGardener
Well-Known Member
We old farts are a sensitive , emotional bunch !To use a quote from the AOL crowd from the '90s, Me too!
Just reading your post has got me crying thinking about the Memorial... but I'm an old fuck, I can cry looking at a fucking McDonald's commercials these days.
When you've held your emotions in for so long, sometimes you just got let them out.
Charles U Farley
Well-Known Member
Isn't that the truth! With the decreasing testosterone that comes with old age, I can cry at a fucking McDonald's commercial these days.
bursto
Well-Known Member
dam these, sniff sniff, chinese movies i been watching on netflix get me every time, sniff sniff, whats up with that i normally dont care in moviesIsn't that the truth! With the decreasing testosterone that comes with old age, I can cry at a fucking McDonald's commercial these days.
Last edited:
Antidote Man
Well-Known Member
Reason comes before all of it. Due to our innate desire to know. There is a reason for humans to believe in god. There is no god for humans to believe in reason. Reasons, we find because no other way would make sense, the point of establishing reason. An explanation, because there is a question, our desire to know. The reason. The reasons get more complex with time, over the ages, first god, a word for the first, the beginning, invent new words, concepts, the devil, hell, eternal damnation if you leave the church and try to overthrow the establishment and steal from the rich, to expand the reasons, need more reasons to explain things, develop science, to help prove these reasons, learn new reasons why things work the way they do, cancel old reasons that don't work, and so on... all for a reason...