Heisenbeans

18six50 · Jul 7, 2019

quiescent said:
Oh, you mean the johnny come lately pussies that only grow because it's legal and follow the rules? Fuck em. They should be growing clones from their local sources. If you're illegal.....

That's actually totally what I'm saying. They should stick to greenhouse/barney's farm type outfits or clones. If you want to have throw away seeds I hear Mephisto is breeding great autoflowers.

Here's their warning. If you want to treat your pot plants like a tomato, American genetics aren't for you. If you don't want to research and immerse yourself into anything, a magnificent obsession if you will, you should expect surprises and perpetual mediocrity.

I agree with you on this but you also have people with a 9th grade level of intellect "derrr durr derrr~ heisen making hermie seeds" from this incomplete data.

Problem is there's haters out there doing what you're not intending to.

None of that really changes a thing though does it? Most people are buying these to run them fast and hard and they buy fems because they are trying to keep it legal. There will be strains that work better for this class of grower than other strains, so why not encourage them to stick with less problematic strains of FEMS, they do exist, I know because I've grown them.

I keep it legal, why? Because I have an adult disabled son and can't take any chances having him taken away from me. If that makes me a pussy then so be it. I think it makes me a man to takes care of my family first. And there ain't no clones for sale in my area. And again, the only really good reason to buy fems is so you don't have to have mothers, so you might as well just say, FUCK FEMS they are useless.

I say fuck fems that herm easy they are useless, they defeat the purpose of having fems, so grow fems that don't herm easy, like many breeders actually manage to produce.

I do agree that autoflowers are better for guys who want to just toss in seeds and go, but again they are not that great for noobs, one little fuck up and they are not going to turn out right and again the selection sucks compared to even FEMS. So they are not the answer at least not yet. But I do know what does work and that's sticking with genetics from the pro's who have managed to produce first rate fems, they are out there and I'm not sure why you don't think they exist. Maybe I'm just lucky but honestly I have not had the herm problems that seem so prevalent around here.

quiescent · Jul 7, 2019

18six50 said:
None of that really changes a thing though does it? Most people are buying these to run them fast and hard and they buy fems because they are trying to keep it legal. There will be strains that work better for this class of grower than other strains, so why not encourage them to stick with less problematic strains of FEMS, they do exist, I know because I've grown them.

I think you're making a bold assumption on how most people are planning to grow these, you might be right but neither one of us really knows. I believe totally stable strains exist but show me a chem, triangle kush, og, diesel hybrid that doesn't have a chance of showing these traits.

I keep it legal, why? Because I have an adult disabled son and can't take any chances having him taken away from me. If that makes me a pussy then so be it. I think it makes me a man to takes care of my family first. And there ain't no clones for sale in my area. And again, the only really good reason to buy fems is so you don't have to have mothers, so you might as well just say, FUCK FEMS they are useless.

While I sympathize with your situation; as someone who's been doing it illegal for ages on a scale 99.9999% of people haven't even seen in person I know there's a difference between my peers and the rest of ya'll. Liken it to those who voluntarily served and saw/did some shit and the guys that stayed home. Nothing wrong with being the pussy that was smart enough to keep their seat on the couch, I'm one of em.

As far as clones go you could easily have them shipped to your door with the same amount of risk as you're taking acquiring seeds so I'm gonna have to strike that one down.

I say fuck fems that herm easy they are useless, they defeat the purpose of having fems, so grow fems that don't herm easy, like many breeders actually manage to produce.

I do agree that autoflowers are better for guys who want to just toss in seeds and go, but again they are not that great for noobs, one little fuck up and they are not going to turn out right and again the selection sucks compared to even FEMS. So they are not the answer at least not yet. But I do know what does work and that's sticking with genetics from the pro's who have managed to produce first rate fems, they are out there and I'm not sure why you don't think they exist. Maybe I'm just lucky but honestly I have not had the herm problems that seem so prevalent around here.

Stable fem genetics exist, sure..... I never said they didn't. Tell me who is combining the same cuts heisen has that you haven't had any issues with and I'll skim a grand off the top and have it in the mail tomorrow.

18six50 · Jul 7, 2019

quiescent said:
I think you're making a bold assumption on how most people are planning to grow these, you might be right but neither one of us really knows. I believe totally stable strains exist but show me a chem, triangle kush, og, diesel hybrid that doesn't have a chance of showing these traits.

While I sympathize with your situation; as someone who's been doing it illegal for ages on a scale 99.9999% of people haven't even seen in person I know there's a difference between my peers and the rest of ya'll. Liken it to those who voluntarily served and saw/did some shit and the guys that stayed home. Nothing wrong with being the pussy that was smart enough to keep their seat on the couch, I'm one of em.

As far as clones go you could easily have them shipped to your door with the same amount of risk as you're taking acquiring seeds so I'm gonna have to strike that one down.
Stable fem genetics exist, sure..... I never said they didn't. Tell me who is combining the same cuts heisen has that you haven't had any issues with and I'll skim a grand off the top and have it in the mail tomorrow.

Like I said, this IS exactly what should be expected of crossing these types of strains but according to heisen none of his strains hermi lol, he's tested them all and knows his are stable, that's what he claims and that's what people buy them believing to be true. (That was actually the first argument I got into it with him about, he kept saying that none of his strains ever hermie, I told him that even if this was true that he can't cross them out and assume they will also be stable). And I'm just saying it would be nice to know which strains have the most problems so that in the future they can be avoided. You do agree that some of his strains will turn out to be more stable than others right? Wouldn't you like to know which ones have issues and which ones don't?

As for getting clones shipped? Not my cup of tea at all because they come with their own problems. They smell when shipped for one and I live in a tiny town where everyone knows everyone's business. Even though I'm legal I still prefer that the town doesn't know I grow. Furthermore, clones should be isolated from your garden and tested too, grown into mothers and cutting taken. So it still defeats the purpose of growing stable fems.

As for who has grown longer and more plants, you shouldn't assume to know anything about anyone, some of us don't talk about the stuff we did in the past. But you can be sure, considering that I've been growing for over 30 years, that it wasn't always legal for me either and honestly nothing anyone is doing today was as ballsy as the stuff I saw back in the day, so I'm not exactly impressed by anything I see the new generation doing. Not that my personal situation matters anyway, because new growers in states all across the nation will be growing these as their first attempts and they deserve better than to be sold seeds that will have problems.

If these seeds can't be grown out by noobs then that too would be a nice thing to know. Perhaps they should come with a warning; Warning these are not intended for noobs, grow at your own risk! But then again, maybe that's why people should report in when they have problems, so that noobs who show up wondering what the hell happened can figure it out. That's also why it was nice of you to include the long statement on how to avoid some of the problems, they will get to read that as well.

Have a good one and good luck to everyone growing these beans, I really do wish all of you luck and hope you all find some fire.

Dats my bike punk · Jul 7, 2019

18six50 said:
Like I said, this IS exactly what should be expected of crossing these types of strains but according to heisen none of his strains hermi lol, he's tested them all and knows his are stable, that's what he claims and that's what people buy them believing to be true. (That was actually the first argument I got into it with him about, he kept saying that none of his strains ever hermie, I told him that even if this was true that he can't cross them out and assume they will also be stable). And I'm just saying it would be nice to know which strains have the most problems so that in the future they can be avoided. You do agree that some of his strains will turn out to be more stable than others right? Wouldn't you like to know which ones have issues and which ones don't?

As for getting clones shipped? Not my cup of tea at all because they come with their own problems. They smell when shipped for one and I live in a tiny town where everyone knows everyone's business. Even though I'm legal I still prefer that the town doesn't know I grow. Furthermore, clones should be isolated from your garden and tested too, grown into mothers and cutting taken. So it still defeats the purpose of growing stable fems.

As for who has grown longer and more plants, you shouldn't assume to know anything about anyone, some of us don't talk about the stuff we did in the past. But you can be sure, considering that I've been growing for over 30 years, that it wasn't always legal for me either and honestly nothing anyone is doing today was as ballsy as the stuff I saw back in the day, so I'm not exactly impressed by anything I see the new generation doing. Not that my personal situation matters anyway, because new growers in states all across the nation will be growing these as their first attempts and they deserve better than to be sold seeds that will have problems.

If these seeds can't be grown out by noobs then that too would be a nice thing to know. Perhaps they should come with a warning; Warning these are not intended for noobs, grow at your own risk! But then again, maybe that's why people should report in when they have problems, so that noobs who show up wondering what the hell happened can figure it out. That's also why it was nice of you to include the long statement on how to avoid some of the problems, they will get to read that as well.

Have a good one and good luck to everyone growing these beans, I really do wish all of you luck and hope you all find some fire.

You really are just adding alot to the story and making up shit as you go. If you want people to listen to you, dont make up so much crap man. I got about 2 sentences in and had to turn the channel.

quiescent · Jul 7, 2019

18six50 said:
As for who has grown longer and more plants, you shouldn't assume to know anything about anyone, some of us don't talk about the stuff we did in the past. But you can be sure, considering that I've been growing for over 30 years, that it wasn't always legal for me either and honestly nothing anyone is doing today was as ballsy as the stuff I saw back in the day, so I'm not exactly impressed by anything I see the new generation doing.

I made no assumptions about your own past. Plenty of people doing bigger things than me for sure.

I'm in the state of Indiana, just tore down a grow in a crowded industrial park that had the electric meter spinning like a top at over 25kwh with over 300 unique plants going at any time, duplicates of most. I'm sorry but I'm correct in saying that my peer group is infinitesimally small.

Also, had ecsd mailed to me years ago... didn't stink up the office it was delivered to so I dunno what you're getting that's more odorous than that. Plenty of legit guys on strainly right now. A buddy just went wild, everything A+ as far as needing quarantined goes.

You seem like someone that comes up with more reasons not to do shit than reasons why you could. Upgrade your thought process, you'll be happier for it in the end.

18six50 · Jul 7, 2019

quiescent said:
I made no assumptions about your own past. Plenty of people doing bigger things than me for sure.

I'm in the state of Indiana, just tore down a grow in a crowded industrial park that had the electric meter spinning like a top at over 25kwh with over 300 unique plants going at any time, duplicates of most. I'm sorry but I'm correct in saying that my peer group is infinitesimally small.

Also, had ecsd mailed to me years ago... didn't stink up the office it was delivered to so I dunno what you're getting that's more odorous than that. Plenty of legit guys on strainly right now. A buddy just went wild, everything A+ as far as needing quarantined goes.

Upgrade your thought process, you'll be happier for it in the end.

It's nice to know you had a good experience with strainly and I'm sure for many people it's a great solution for them personally. For me it's not what I was looking for, is that cool? Or do I have to like the stuff you do? Seriously, work with me here man, I'm trying to be cool with you. I didn't put you down once, I just said why I don't do the clone thing right now, I have my reasons you have yours.

And you think that clones don't stink up post offices, talk to some postal employees, lol. I know a bunch of guys who I served with who now deliver mail, you would not believe the stories I hear about the stupid ways things get sent. So I have my reasons why I don't get clones. Furthermore, I got offered all of the clones from Jessielovestogrow and I turned him down, ask him if you don't believe me. I could have had all his strains in clone shipped to me for free and didn't want them. So I'm not exactly the person who is desperate for genetics either, lol.

I was talking about the millions of people who are new and who are going to be his customers. He would want them to come back too as customers wouldn't he? Maybe giving them fair warning about there chances of getting balls might turn them into repeat customers, getting blindsided with seeds won't, that's for sure.

"You seem like someone that comes up with more reasons not to do shit than reasons why you could." Don't make assumptions about people you don't know and I won't make stupid assumptions about you. I'm not running his gear because life is short and I have only so many crops left to grow, I don't have time for growing stuff that I'm not into, not with so many alternatives out there.

As I said, good luck to you guys and I hope you find some fire.

Amos Otis · Jul 7, 2019

18six50 said:
according to heisen none of his strains hermi lol, he's tested them all and knows his are stable, that's what he claims and that's what people buy them believing to be true.

I've bought some, and that's not what I believed to be true. I follow along pretty closely, and am pretty sure he's never claimed what you posted there. But if you have quotes you can post, I'm open to being corrected.

althor · Jul 7, 2019

Amos Otis said:
I've bought some, and that's not what I believed to be true. I follow along pretty closely, and am pretty sure he's never claimed what you posted there. But if you have quotes you can post, I'm open to being corrected.

If I ever saw a breeder say none of his strains hermied I wouldnt believe him anyway. I could believe "unlikely to hermie" but won't hermie is a really hard thing to say.

18six50 · Jul 7, 2019

Dats my bike punk said:
You really are just adding alot to the story and making up shit as you go. If you want people to listen to you, dont make up so much crap man. I got about 2 sentences in and had to turn the channel.

Stop trolling and start testing.

Amos Otis said:
I've bought some, and that's not what I believed to be true. I follow along pretty closely, and am pretty sure he's never claimed what you posted there. But if you have quotes you can post, I'm open to being corrected.

Do you really want me to rehash everything he said over at chuckers about how he tests his strains and he couldn't get them to hermie if he tried? I'm banned from Chuckers but I can tell you what he said to me in one of our last conversations before he banned me.

He said he was having trouble getting pollen from a strain using silver, I asked him if he had tried rodelization, he said, that was for losers and that it wouldn't work with his strains because his strains don't hermie, he tested them and knows they won't. He also stated that ALL his seeds were going to be tested, that statement was still up at chuckers when I spent $200 on seeds, that I later found out were not tested at all and that in fact he was selling strains that had never even been grown out, let alone tested.

I could go on and provide more examples if you really want me to clog up this thread but why not just let it go? I didn't come back here to get into it, I simply thought it was nice to know if any problems are popping up. I'd like to be able to give my buddy a heads up if any of these crosses really suck.

Amos Otis · Jul 7, 2019

18six50 said:
Do you really want me to rehash everything he said over at chuckers about how he tests his strains and he couldn't get them to hermie if he tried?

All I asked was for you to back up what you posted with quotes.

18six50 said:
I could go on and provide more examples if you really want me to clog up this thread but why not just let it go?

"let it go"? Dude...lol. I posted once; this reply makes twice, essentially asking you to back up your statements that I quoted.

Your hearsay w/o proof hardly qualifies as "examples" of anything. I'm still open to being corrected, but your remembrances are just that unless you provide quotes. You won't bother me a bit if you "clog up this thread" with all the real examples you may have.

althor said:
If I ever saw a breeder say none of his strains hermied I wouldnt believe him anyway. I could believe "unlikely to hermie" but won't hermie is a really hard thing to say.

I know, right?

18six50 · Jul 7, 2019

Amos Otis said:
All I asked was for you to back up what you posted with quotes.

"let it go"? Dude...lol. I posted once; this reply makes twice, essentially asking you to back up your statements that I quoted.

Your hearsay w/o proof hardly qualifies as "examples" of anything. I'm still open to being corrected, but your remembrances are just that unless you provide quotes. You won't bother me a bit if you "clog up this thread" with all the real examples you may have.

I know, right?

LOL whatever, man, you have fun.

Dats my bike punk · Jul 7, 2019

18six50 said:
Stop trolling and start testing.

Do you really want me to rehash everything he said over at chuckers about how he tests his strains and he couldn't get them to hermie if he tried? I'm banned from Chuckers but I can tell you what he said to me in one of our last conversations before he banned me.

He said he was having trouble getting pollen from a strain using silver, I asked him if he had tried rodelization, he said, that was for losers and that it wouldn't work with his strains because his strains don't hermie, he tested them and knows they won't. He also stated that ALL his seeds were going to be tested, that statement was still up at chuckers when I spent $200 on seeds, that I later found out were not tested at all and that in fact he was selling strains that had never even been grown out, let alone tested.

I could go on and provide more examples if you really want me to clog up this thread but why not just let it go? I didn't come back here to get into it, I simply thought it was nice to know if any problems are popping up. I'd like to be able to give my buddy a heads up if any of these crosses really suck.

Your a liar and you was banned from chuckers for threatening heisen in PM reporting him to PayPal. Than later that day heisens PayPal was closed down. All that because you was banned from the thread. You was never banned from the forum. I have the proof in PM that you made threats in PM. Heisen showed me everything you did. I'll komakazie this name to post what you said. Than you came here with a new name to trash him. It's the truth and you know it.

Dats my bike punk · Jul 7, 2019

Amos Otis said:
All I asked was for you to back up what you posted with quotes.

"let it go"? Dude...lol. I posted once; this reply makes twice, essentially asking you to back up your statements that I quoted.

Your hearsay w/o proof hardly qualifies as "examples" of anything. I'm still open to being corrected, but your remembrances are just that unless you provide quotes. You won't bother me a bit if you "clog up this thread" with all the real examples you may have.

I know, right?

He will never let it go. This guy was cut deep.

Dats my bike punk · Jul 7, 2019

18six50 said:
LOL I was more than happy to drop it until I realized that you were the sock puppet who was egging me on. And don't you have something better to do than run around trolling while pretending to not be yourself?

Don't you know how unprofessional that looks to anyone reading this stuff? You come here with your sock puppet trying to shut down anyone who suggests that your seeds are less than perfect and just end up looking terrible in the process. Just give it up and go grow your plants already.

You are sitting here engaged in an open fraud, pretending to be someone else and you think this makes you look better, honestly? It doesn't matter what you say with your stupid sock puppet account, every single word of it is a fraud, because you are not even willing to be honest about who you are.

Could you please offer one shred of evidence that supports that claim. I already posted a picture proving that I am not heisen. Can you please prove something different other than hear say and you wishing I was him so bad to give you the attention. I can assure you he has way better shit to do. Your long rants make you look more and more like the rat he said you was.

18six50 · Jul 7, 2019

Dats my bike punk said:
Could you please offer one shred of evidence that supports that claim. I already posted a picture proving that I am not heisen. Can you please prove something different other than hear say and you wishing I was him so bad to give you the attention. I can assure you he has way better shit to do. Your long rants make you look more and more like the rat he said you was.

Dude, having your wife or some girlfriend post a pic of her fingernails doesn't prove anything. In fact that might have been the lamest attempt ever to prove anything. Who couldn't get their wife to post a pic of their hands? LOL Like I said, you are a joke.

Posting pics from the inside of your own garden and then telling everyone here right now that you have full access to Heisens/your own personal PM pretty much says it all. You busted yourself out and once again can't man up and admit you are wrong.

And one more time, I didn't fuck with your paypal and you know it, so stop lying about it. I don't doubt that you thought I might have, but by now you should know I didn't do it because you still have my money. I never contacted them and you know that I told you three times that I wouldn't.

You won't even be honest about this being a sock puppet and you think people will trust you enough to breed their medicine? Well some might, but I bet that number goes down the longer you stick around play acting with your sock puppet.

Dats my bike punk · Jul 7, 2019

18six50 said:
Dude, having your wife or some girlfriend post a pic of her fingernails doesn't prove anything. In fact that might have been the lamest attempt ever to prove anything. Who couldn't get their wife to post a pic of their hands? LOL Like I said, you are a joke.

Posting pics from the inside of your own garden and then telling everyone here right now that you have full access to Heisens/your own personal PM pretty much says it all. You busted yourself out and once again can't man up and admit you are wrong.

And one more time, I didn't fuck with your paypal and you know it, so stop lying about it. I don't doubt that you thought I might have, but by now you should know I didn't do it because you still have my money. I never contacted them and you know that I told you three times that I wouldn't.

You won't even be honest about this being a sock puppet and you think people will trust you enough to breed their medicine? Well some might, but I bet that number goes down the longer you stick around play acting with your sock puppet.

But what you are saying does NOT prove anything whatsoever. You are making assumptions. I could say you was Donald Trump but again IM asking YOU to prove what you are saying.

18six50 · Jul 7, 2019

Dats my bike punk said:
But what you are saying does NOT prove anything whatsoever. You are making assumptions. I could say you was Donald Trump but again IM asking YOU to prove what you are saying.

Whatever man, who else would have full access to his PM and his Garden and who else would be here who knows exactly what was said between the two of us. Nobody else, it's you obviously and anyone who has read your comments before knows that this is exactly how you write and how you roll. It's really pathetic man, I mean just really really super lambo move.

Just go grow your plants and do your thing, stop playing games and be professional. When reports roll in that there are problems be ready to fix them some other way than blaming your customers. Be the stand up guy you pretend to be, for that matter man up and send me the money you owe me. LOL That's not going to happen either I know so I'm just kidding, but whatever. They went to a needy guy and I hope they are not as fucked up as I'm now afraid they might be.

Dats my bike punk · Jul 7, 2019

How do you know I'm not heisens wife dummy? Also how do you k now I'm not the one that banned you? Does The Governor riing any bells?
You called PayPal and wanted to get your money back. You went missing for a week and than you came back from out of the blue on a rant and rave. This is also a fact. That same day at 630 PM H got an email from PayPal saying it was shut down. Someone called and complained to get there money back that they had sent money as a gift. You might not have done it on purpose but it was your fault. You made threats in PM about doing it and said if H didnt give you a refund you was going to call PayPal But you already did and they told you it was out of there hands. You are a piece of garbage. You was reply banned and took it to whole new levels. You recieved everything you paid for and than some.
You got your feelings hurt. Took your ball home and got people's accounts locked. I'm done with you and you can go on ignore.

Amos Otis · Jul 7, 2019

18six50 said:
LOL whatever, man, you have fun.

Well, see, that's just what I was expecting.

main cola · Jul 7, 2019

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Sundae Driver x Purple Punch #2 She’s farther along

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