i appreciate the help man, i said it all in my very first post on this thread, i fractured my left eye socket as well as my skull in 3 places in a pedal bike accident at age 13, also at age 17 i was hit by another car and in the collision i broke my left wrist, hand and thumb. I have also played soccer and hockey comepetitivly for the better part of 16 years now with multiple multiple sports related injurys. All of theses injurys listed were accompined by multiple docotrs vistis for each one and all cause consistent day to day pain now for me...........