Hermaphrodites And Negative Reviews

KushKrew

New Member
Hi Guys,

Been noticing a LOT of bitching about seed-bank a to z, and usually it's a herm issue. Most of the guys bitched about, like Cali Connection or Barney's Farm are excellent breeders who's gear has been grown out with huge success all over the world. So does the fact that their fem stock hermies reflect on the seedbank? I don't feel it is fair on them to take the performance of a feminised seed as a judgement of their ability.

From the very first day I read about fems, I read about the dangers of fems. I learned first-hand exactly how little of a light-leak can trigger a herm. In a sea full of clones, people usually notice a herm here and there and blame the breeder. Well if it was ONLY the breeder, ALL plants would herm at the same time, they are CLONES.

Another thing I have noticed, and you can look at it here on RIU, for every herm issue, there is a response about NOT having them with the same strain. Take a look and you will find it is usually the Grandaddys of growing that have no complaints. Why? THEY'RE ON TOP OF THEIR GAME. It takes years to get there, really.

I feel when growing feminised seed, the error-margin on the grower's part shrinks to just about nothing. Don't touch 'em if you haven't been doing this a long time. For the rest of us, there are CLONES. They cost a bit, but we end up with something solid. Even the granddaddy growers go for fems only in particular circumstances: Pressed for time is usually it. But trust me most of 'em are gonna have a special clone and some more beans on the way.

Then also certain lines are simply just more prone to herming, and of course this can only be discovered after a bunch of people have grown it out. The breeders usually have IDEAL conditions so it's not something they themselves will really run into when developing a batch and testing it. I honestly do not think ANYBODY unleashes herms on the public on purpose, this is a close-knot industry and word spreads fast, you won't survive a week as a rip-off artist.

Just my two cents on the topic, I've been a bit upset at some of the breeders that are responsible for the best plants in my garden ever get such crap treatment. I have never had a problem with Barney's Farm nor Cali Connection for example, but I've also never planted a feminised seed. If it was all so crap, then I woulda been getting crap for YEARS, not been losing out on my own homegrown because chronic pain patients are BEGGING me for it because it's all that takes the pain away.

If you burn your fingers with fem technology, blame it on the TECHNOLOGY not the breeder. The breeder simply supplies what is asked for from him, I remember the days when ALL seeds were normal, now it's so bloody hard to find normal seeds! The main customer is a casual grower, most of the guys buying seeds won't come on these forums or build a nice SOG. They just want to drop it in a pot and forget about it outside and get some decent nugs. A casual hobbyist, and fem technology suits THAT man just fine.

But the rest of us aren't THAT guy, are we?
 

RockyMtnMan

Well-Known Member
I believe people are more inclined to post negative results than positive ones. The fact that you hear a lot of negative posts about Cali conn and Barneys Farm means they are selling a lot of beans. If you figure only a very small percentage of people post online about their succeses or failures, That means a shitload of people bought those companies beans.
Do you think a shitload of people bought all those beans because they suck? Or do you think these companies sell so many beans that the proportionate ratio of dissatisfied costumers to happy ones, just works out that we hear more about Barneys and Cali conn because of their volume of sales.

I would guess for every hermie post online, there are 10X or more people who have very possitive experiences and post nothing at all. We all like to get pissed and blow off steam when we are angry or dissapointed.
I myself keep meaning to start a photo journal of some of my grows, but I get so busy working with and enjoying my plants, I always put it off.
If they all hermied though, I would be sitting on the computer bithching about it till my fingers got blisters.

Nature is unpredictable. Do the best you can with your plants and sometimes you get a gem from the most unlikely places.
 

brotherjericho

Well-Known Member
Regular seeds can hermie as well, it just depends on the genetics. I've only had one hermie (to my knowledge) in many grows and I use all fem seeds. It was a Cali Conn Buddha Tahoe OG and it hermied 17 days into 12/12. No light leaks, no nute issues, no other know stress. The other 3 plants in the tent with it rocked on and have been harvested long ago.

The tendency to hermie can be decreased with attention to genetics. Those mother plants that show stronger hermie tendencies can be culled and not used to breed. It seems some breeders can't be bothered with this aspect of producing fem ceeds.
 

fssalaska

Well-Known Member
I've been growing for years and only have hermie problems with one breeder and 2 of there strains *Samsara Seeds* Crazy Miss Hyde & *Samsara Seeds* Mazar x Northernlights other than that I have never had any problems. unlike some here I have friends *lots of growers here* that I swop clones with to try new strains and that is a lot better than starting with seed everytime, no hermies and a couple of years of only keeping clones off my best plants = good results.
 

jessica d

Well-Known Member
it is the breeders responsibility to stress genetics and throw out all hermies lol then the growers turn to grow a low stress crop. oh ya many good breeders dont sell fem seeds cuz they are suppose to be the selector lol guide the customer for 100-200 bones
 

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman

Well-Known Member
i wouldn't buy Barney's farm seeds, their freebies were awful an experience to grow. Pineapple chunk, Critical kush, Tangerine dream, the only thing they have that is any good is their red dragon.
 

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman

Well-Known Member
also i wouldn't consider Barney's farm a breeder, they just produce feminised seeds, anyone can do that, you can be a clone collecter and do that. not a single stable IBL have they ever created.
 

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman

Well-Known Member
i always intentionally stress my plants, especially new plants, if they cannot handle super cropping and or punching, tying down or lst without turning herm or even stunting, then i just toss the plant. not worth my time as i have stellar plants who wouldn't show the slightest signs of stress with the above mentioned techniques even in flower.
 

kindnug

Well-Known Member
Large selection is all it takes... Fem or Reg it doesn't matter!
I've seen Reg. beans herm from a light leak in a friends grow, but not my own because I don't allow leaks.

I do use both Reg. + Fem. because I don't listen to others, I prefer personal experience.
Like Barney's Farm, I gave them a huge chance purchasing 30 Fem. ViolatorK. and not 1 was keeper.
I'm done with their expensive garbage, even if they have 1 good strain(their descriptions are Bullsh*t)

I've had killer Fem. plants from G13labs/Dinafem/DNA/WOS+ Reg. from Bodhi/GGG/Cannavent., but also some average phenotypes mixed in them all, it's about the selection of females
 

SlaveNoMore

Active Member
I think the two things any gardner will deal with are bugs and herms at some point. It is what it is. Sometimes plants herm due to gentics or due to environment. Part of being a good gardner is overcoming the challenge and moving on.

It sucks when your in week 5 and a plant starts popping nanners but most of the time you can pluck them off and move on if it isn't too serious. Sure, in a lot of cases herms are genetic and unfortunatley this has to be found out the hard way. I think that is part of the experience though.

Yeah, people talk shit because we all need a "bad guy" to point a finger at but in the long run it doesn't really matter. TGA is notoriously beat on for putting out herms but I have never experienced a herm with them and some of his gear is FIRE. A few people don't represent the majority.

I have never had a herm from a female seed. Maybe I'm just lucky?
 

kindnug

Well-Known Member
You know if a plant is genetic hermi if the clones also produce nanners/balls everytime in flowering with total darkness.
If it's just 1 or 2 nanners then you could pluck, but they usually continue producing them if it's genetic.
If it happens 1 wk. from harvest you should be fine since it shouldn't have time to produce beans.
<3-6 wk. hermi. are the worst from what I'm told.
 

Natural Gas

Active Member
Cannabis is a dioecious plant...If I want to grow it consistently sinsemilla then I have to remove the occasional male flowers from plants sexed as females...If I want to grow hybrid cannabis that has not been selected for stabilized traits through eight or so generations then I have to cull the mutts while looking for the "latest-greatest" superbuz...If I am not willing or mature enough to spend the time and effort required to tend and grow the "latest-greatest" superbuz I will come here to RIU and scream, "HERMIE, HERMIE, HERMIE XYZ Breeder" until someone pacifies me with a "There, there" and a pat on the back while I suck my thumb in my dim cold corner warmed only by the light of my computer screen and the warm dampness in my "Huggies"...FWIW
 
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