Hey old farts..how many over 50 yrs?

BarnBuster

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A Surprising Reason Your Health Care Costs More in Retirement

By ELIZABETH O'BRIEN, Money, July 10, 2019

Health care is one of retirees’ biggest expenses, but it’s not just because older people tend to access more medical services. Even if you never visit the doctor, your insurance bill will be higher in retirement than it was when you were working, according to a new analysis.

That’s because retirees pay a bigger share of their premiums under Medicare than they did under their employer’s health insurance. Employers generally subsidize around 75% of their employees’ health insurance premiums, leaving employees responsible for just a quarter of the monthly costs, according to HealthView Services, a Danvers, Mass.-based company that provides health care cost data to financial advisors.

In retirement, however, you’re responsible for 100% of your Medicare premiums. And that often comes as a surprise.
“We find that a lot of people believe Medicare is free,” says Ron Mastrogiovanni, CEO of HealthView Services and HealthyCapital.
The only part of Medicare that’s “free” for most beneficiaries is Part A premiums, but that’s only because you paid them while you’re still working through payroll taxes. Part A covers inpatient hospitalizations. Part B covers doctors’ visits and outpatient services, and the standard premium for people enrolling this year is $135.50 a month (high earners pay more). Part B premiums are deducted directly from your Social Security check — unless you haven’t yet claimed your benefits, in which case you pay them outright.

Many enrollees with Original Medicare choose to buy a Part D drug plan and a Medigap supplemental insurance plan as well. The national base premium for part D is $33.19 for 2019, although actual costs vary based on your exact plan and location. The cost for supplemental plans also varies based on plan type and location.

The upshot? A 64-year-old who pays $2,090.27 this year in premiums for an employer PPO plan will pay $3,701.98 annually next year on Medicare Part B, Part D and a Plan G supplement, according to the HealthView Services analysis. It assumes the beneficiary is on Original Medicare, not Medicare Advantage (also known as Part C) since the former more closely resembles a typical workplace plan.

The sooner you’re aware of this cost gap, the better you can prepare. A 50-year-old who invests $111,816 today and earns 6% returns will have enough to cover retirement health care expenses starting at age 65, including out-of-pocket costs (but excluding Part B premiums deducted from a Social Security check), according to HealthView Services. Or, instead of investing a lump sum, you could bump up the percentage of pay you’re putting into your 401(k) every month.

That way, you won’t have to skimp on coverage when the time comes. Some people get sticker shock when pricing supplement plans and decide to skip Medigap altogether, Mastrogiovanni says. Fast forward a decade or so, and they’ve accumulated more health concerns and want to buy coverage. But outside of a narrow window around your initial enrollment in Medicare, you can be charged more for supplemental coverage or even denied it outright based on your health status. So it often pays to buy a plan when you first enroll.
 

OldMedUser

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Yeah, I just had my 70th. Congrats! It's just a number but shit, never planned on living past 60, I should be dead from all the chemicals (for fun and professionally) I was exposed to. All kinds of plastic fumes, fiberglass and asbestos, NO2, other inhalants I can't pronounce or spell, and of course, alcohol and nicotine along with your average line up of hallucinogens.
Me too man. I firmly believed when I was 16 that I'd never make it past 30. Couldn't trust anyone older than that anyway so who needed to live longer than that right. :)

Already filled out my Old Fart Pensioner forms and my income will double after mid-Oct this year.

Time to start cashing in on those senior's discounts! Whoop-dee-do!

I worked in so many factories etc when I was young and stupid. Cutting asbestos wall panels with a Skill saw. No PPE at all and wearing the same clothes all week.

Acid freak for 4 years with near daily use up to 10 hits of window pane per day for weeks on end. Used to rinse water thru blotter acid and mainline it for fug's sake. Played with H and every other thing but never got strung out on anything but booze. Vancouver had all the good shit back in the day. ;)

Lost a lot of buddies over the last decade.

Still got all my hair and a boner every morning so life's not so bad!

:peace:
 

OldMedUser

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A Surprising Reason Your Health Care Costs More in Retirement

By ELIZABETH O'BRIEN, Money, July 10, 2019

Health care is one of retirees’ biggest expenses, but it’s not just because older people tend to access more medical services. Even if you never visit the doctor, your insurance bill will be higher in retirement than it was when you were working, according to a new analysis.

That’s because retirees pay a bigger share of their premiums under Medicare than they did under their employer’s health insurance. Employers generally subsidize around 75% of their employees’ health insurance premiums, leaving employees responsible for just a quarter of the monthly costs, according to HealthView Services, a Danvers, Mass.-based company that provides health care cost data to financial advisors.

In retirement, however, you’re responsible for 100% of your Medicare premiums. And that often comes as a surprise.
“We find that a lot of people believe Medicare is free,” says Ron Mastrogiovanni, CEO of HealthView Services and HealthyCapital.
The only part of Medicare that’s “free” for most beneficiaries is Part A premiums, but that’s only because you paid them while you’re still working through payroll taxes. Part A covers inpatient hospitalizations. Part B covers doctors’ visits and outpatient services, and the standard premium for people enrolling this year is $135.50 a month (high earners pay more). Part B premiums are deducted directly from your Social Security check — unless you haven’t yet claimed your benefits, in which case you pay them outright.

Many enrollees with Original Medicare choose to buy a Part D drug plan and a Medigap supplemental insurance plan as well. The national base premium for part D is $33.19 for 2019, although actual costs vary based on your exact plan and location. The cost for supplemental plans also varies based on plan type and location.

The upshot? A 64-year-old who pays $2,090.27 this year in premiums for an employer PPO plan will pay $3,701.98 annually next year on Medicare Part B, Part D and a Plan G supplement, according to the HealthView Services analysis. It assumes the beneficiary is on Original Medicare, not Medicare Advantage (also known as Part C) since the former more closely resembles a typical workplace plan.

The sooner you’re aware of this cost gap, the better you can prepare. A 50-year-old who invests $111,816 today and earns 6% returns will have enough to cover retirement health care expenses starting at age 65, including out-of-pocket costs (but excluding Part B premiums deducted from a Social Security check), according to HealthView Services. Or, instead of investing a lump sum, you could bump up the percentage of pay you’re putting into your 401(k) every month.

That way, you won’t have to skimp on coverage when the time comes. Some people get sticker shock when pricing supplement plans and decide to skip Medigap altogether, Mastrogiovanni says. Fast forward a decade or so, and they’ve accumulated more health concerns and want to buy coverage. But outside of a narrow window around your initial enrollment in Medicare, you can be charged more for supplemental coverage or even denied it outright based on your health status. So it often pays to buy a plan when you first enroll.
I can't imagine how f'ed I'd be if I was a Yank when it comes to medical care.

Here in Alberta everyone gets basic medical for free. Need a new liver? Free as far as the operation goes if you can find a spare liver somewhere. lol

Most drugs come along with that too. I hit 65 in Oct and will get free Blue Cross for all sorts of goodies. Free teeth. glasses, ambulance, massages and chiro etc etc.

Some non-urgent stuff like joint replacement and like that can take a while to get done but if you're in crisis like I've been they get you up to the top of the list real fast.

The wife was recently diagnosed with liver cancer and has had multiple scans and referrals done in just a few months. We should have a plan of attack laid out next month. I want to get her on RSO right the fug now but she doesn't grok pot tho I've was growing it long before she met me over 20 years ago. Our 20th is on the 17th this month. We're both married but not to each other so our anniversary is the first day we got all giggity. ;)

Glad I'm Canadian! canadian.gif

:peace:
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I can't imagine how f'ed I'd be if I was a Yank when it comes to medical care.

Here in Alberta everyone gets basic medical for free. Need a new liver? Free as far as the operation goes if you can find a spare liver somewhere. lol

Most drugs come along with that too. I hit 65 in Oct and will get free Blue Cross for all sorts of goodies. Free teeth. glasses, ambulance, massages and chiro etc etc.

Some non-urgent stuff like joint replacement and like that can take a while to get done but if you're in crisis like I've been they get you up to the top of the list real fast.

The wife was recently diagnosed with liver cancer and has had multiple scans and referrals done in just a few months. We should have a plan of attack laid out next month. I want to get her on RSO right the fug now but she doesn't grok pot tho I've was growing it long before she met me over 20 years ago. Our 20th is on the 17th this month. We're both married but not to each other so our anniversary is the first day we got all giggity. ;)

Glad I'm Canadian! View attachment 4363842

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i'm glad to hear that. i didn't figure it could be as bad as people say. no one ever talks about the good work that gets done...by anyone...it's always the problems that get described in great detail, and passed along as the "norm", while all the people who get treatment in a professional manner don't tend to get online and tell you about it
 

OldMedUser

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i'm glad to hear that. i didn't figure it could be as bad as people say. no one ever talks about the good work that gets done...by anyone...it's always the problems that get described in great detail, and passed along as the "norm", while all the people who get treatment in a professional manner don't tend to get online and tell you about it
I got stories about health care that go from Hallelujah to OMFG kill me now!

Bum knee for years and a day after surgery walking two blocks to the hotel to by a bottle of un-needed pain killer. lol

Collapsed lung and half an hour of rib spreader horror with no anesthesia. Months of nightly paralysis nightmares to follow. Very dark clouds of depression blanketing it all.

Way up north here we get nothing but imported doctors that I swear got their certificates out of a box of Cracker Jacks back in south Africa where most come from. Got me a new young French doc that seems to know his shit and I've told him so. Got me thru a prostate issue with no BS and is now helping the wife with liver cancer issues. Early days.

The biggest problem is lack of familiarity. Used to be that the doc taking care of you probably slapped your bottom when you were born and maybe your mom's too. He knew every little thing about your family history and applied that knowledge to your diagnosis with pinpoint accuracy in most cases.

Now it's like computer call centers. Walk in and they follow a menu of diagnostic procedures with no knowledge of you or your own medical history much less familial ties. Magic 8-ball anyone? lol

Still better than going bankrupt when you get seriously ill.

:peace:
 

Moldy

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I can't imagine how f'ed I'd be if I was a Yank when it comes to medical care.

Here in Alberta everyone gets basic medical for free. Need a new liver? Free as far as the operation goes if you can find a spare liver somewhere. lol

Most drugs come along with that too. I hit 65 in Oct and will get free Blue Cross for all sorts of goodies. Free teeth. glasses, ambulance, massages and chiro etc etc.

Some non-urgent stuff like joint replacement and like that can take a while to get done but if you're in crisis like I've been they get you up to the top of the list real fast.

The wife was recently diagnosed with liver cancer and has had multiple scans and referrals done in just a few months. We should have a plan of attack laid out next month. I want to get her on RSO right the fug now but she doesn't grok pot tho I've was growing it long before she met me over 20 years ago. Our 20th is on the 17th this month. We're both married but not to each other so our anniversary is the first day we got all giggity. ;)

Glad I'm Canadian! View attachment 4363842

:peace:
Damn! You got hair and great health coverage!? The fuckers down here make us ration our healthcare, just like they say the poor people in Canada and the EU have do. We get to have all of the healthcare we can afford (and nothing more). Fucking vampire insurance corps. get 1/3 before you get sick. I think they be lying to us. Saving up for a hearing aid but food comes first. It's great here in states.
 

OldMedUser

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Damn! You got hair and great health coverage!? The fuckers down here make us ration our healthcare, just like they say the poor people in Canada and the EU have do. We get to have all of the healthcare we can afford (and nothing more). Fucking vampire insurance corps. get 1/3 before you get sick. I think they be lying to us. Saving up for a hearing aid but food comes first. It's great here in states.
You haven't figured out that they're lying to you yet?

Socialist health care has nothing to do with communism as the far-right wingnuts would lead you to believe.

The corporate health system in the states is barbaric compared to every other G20 country on the planet. Diabetics come up here to get their insulin for 1/20th the cost of the exact same drug made by the exact same company. Those that can't make the trip . . . die.

No one dies here or goes bankrupt over lack of insurance. If you got no money or a plan you get treated then they figure out which charity is going to cover extra costs.

Mental health and addiction care are solely lacking but not as badly as down south but nothing to crow about.

I spent a lot of time in the states back in the day and it's really a different world down there. Guns are just the tip of the ugly iceberg and like those monstrosities 80% of the ugly is below the surface.

cough,tRump, cough is bringing reality TV to world politics and it's looking worse every day. A couple more dabs of makeup and he'd pass for Bozo the Clown man, He's a legend in his own mind and a laughing stock to the rest of the world but we all got to kiss his ass or become a TwiTTer feed.

Another good war will get Amerika back on the right track tho and it's just around the corner.

Good luck to you and yours!

:peace:
 

Moldy

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You haven't figured out that they're lying to you yet?
When Nixon won in 72' I figured out then it's a big fucking hoax. I just turned 21 before that and voted for the first time against the crook. Nixon carried almost all of the states if I remember right. The motherfucking criminal won again due to another poor dem choice that was on the ballot, McGovern. In a few months Nixon was waving bye-bye to all before boarding Marine One... only to be pardoned by Ford.:wall: :finger:

History repeats unfortunately.
 

BarnBuster

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STATE TAXES ON SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS:

Taxed According to Federal Rules: Minnesota, North Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia

Partially Taxed (Exemptions for Income and Age): Colorado, Connecticut, Kansas, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, Rhode Island, Utah

No State Tax on Social Security Benefits: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming

Just because you live in one of these states doesn't mean that you'll automatically have to pay tax on benefits. Many of these jurisdictions follow the federal standards for taxing Social Security, which means that taxes only kick in if your income rises above certain levels.
 

BarnBuster

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some sobering statistics:

"Only 23% of Americans report carrying no debt, according to Northwest Mutual's 2018 Planning and Progress study. And among those with debt, the average personal debt load (excluding mortgages) was a whopping $38,000.

60% of workers say their level of debt is a problem, and 19% of workers say it's a major problem, per the 2019 Retirement Confidence Survey (RCS).

Thirty-nine percent of Americans don't have the funds available to handle a $400 unexpected expense, per the Federal Reserve Bank. They would resort to charging it on a credit card; borrowing from a friend, relative, or bank; selling something; simply not paying the bill; or some other unattractive option.

48% of households headed by someone 55 or older had nothing saved for retirement, per the U.S. Government Accountability Office.

Forty-three percent of retirees retired earlier than they had planned to, most often due to a job loss, health issue, or disability, per the 2019 RCS. This means they ended up with less time to save for retirement and their retirement funds had to last longer.

One out of every three 65 year olds today will live past age 90, while one in seven will live past age 95, according to the Social Security Administration.


A healthy 65-year-old couple retiring in 2018 will face average out-of-pocket costs of $363,946 for healthcare in retirement, per HealthView Services' 2018 Retirement HealthCare Costs Data Report. That sum includes Medicare premiums and the cost of supplemental insurance, but not long-term care -- and remember, that's for healthy retirees. Many people will face even steeper costs.

About 23% of Americans say they're never going to retire, according to a recent AP-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research survey. An additional 23% said they intended to continue working past 65 but did not specify when they expected to retire.

Seven in 10 retirees can expect to need long-term care at some point in their lives, according to the Department of Health and Human Services, and the average person who needs long-term care will require it for around three years.

Only 4 percent of retirees make the financially optimal decision about when to claim Social Security. About 57 percent of retirees would build more wealth through their life if they waited to claim until they were 70 years old (when only 4 percent of retirees currently claim), while only 6.5 percent of retirees would have more wealth if they claimed prior to turning 64 (when over 70 percent of retirees currently claim benefits)

Elderly poverty could be cut by nearly 50 percent if all retirees claimed Social Security at the financially optimal time. In particular, about 13 percent of people over the age of 70 are expected to live in poverty at some point."
 
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jarvild

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Only 4 percent of retirees make the financially optimal decision about when to claim Social Security. About 57 percent of retirees would build more wealth through their life if they waited to claim until they were 70 years old (when only 4 percent of retirees currently claim), while only 6.5 percent of retirees would have more wealth if they claimed prior to turning 64 (when over 70 percent of retirees currently claim benefits)
The problem with this is that more and more companies are forcing early retirement as people approach 60, leaving most to take jobs with less pay and benefits.
 

BarnBuster

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It appears you are now able to pay your Medicare premium online via credit card. Typically for most people, the Social Security Administration will automatically deduct the Medicare premium from your monthly SS benefit if you are enrolled in Medicare Part B and are collecting SS. If you are enrolled in Part B but not yet collecting Social Security, you are billed quarterly by Medicare. You either had to fill out a form manually and mail with a check or your CC#. You could also have the amount deducted from your bank account savings/checking automatically by filling out some forms which I was reluctant to do. I just saw this new info and haven't used it yet so I'll let you know how it works. bb
So I just did this, works fine, gives you a confirmation number you can print and no extra fee for using your card.
 
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