Again, I'm all for medical cannabis. . .I'm just against bullsh*t hippy pseudoscience erasing common sense, and giving false hope to people with terminal diseases. As you say, that kind of talk (let alone wild-eyed conspiracy theories) destroys all credibility of the cannabis movement.
Pseudoscience... how about this - witchcraft!
You - Jogro - are dipping into the same dark powers that witch doctors have used and still use mainly in Africa - the evil twin of placebo - namely nocebo.
"False hope" - Hope is KEY. Who is to define what false hope is? Is 50% chance of getting something false hope? 5%? 0.5%?
You are, by your writing style and mind set, killing hope. Faith can move mountains.
I've seen people literally being killed in 3 weeks by nocebo-wielding "experts". A few words, and life went out of the person (let's call him J). The curse/killing spell were cast by an MD, and went: "No, there is no use for an hearing aid - you'll don't need it soon..." - J started dying visibly immediately after that visit. Another person (let's call him B) finally killed J 18 days later by removing J:s last motivation, B faked illness because B thought J would be too exhausted to go on a certain trip. J saw through the bluff, and just fell into pieces - 3 days later, dead. J had lived 3 years longer than anyone recorded with his type of cancer by sheer stubborness and willpower. Two "well meaning" people with sh*t pouring from their mouths supplied the straw that broke the camels back.
Now, you Jogro, with your scientific bent and need for proof will immediately discredit the above as coincidence. How could mere words affect physiology so much...
Well - you see, I have done "impossible" things with words myself - by hypnosis. How about the following "impossible" things, experienced and performed by myself:
1. I helped increase a brain cancer patients white blood cell count by a factor of 4 or more (don't call me on the details if it was lymphocytes, T-cells, B-cells, exact counts, whatever - it was ages ago, the patient called me one day after our session and said that his bloodwork was off the charts). Our work together was excruciating, a young man of 25, the son of a friend of mine, totally wrecked by radiation and chemo. They had given him 6 months max, he got 18 months. I gave him a toolbox of mental devices that he used, I did not work with him more than once, but the PROOF was the blood work.
2. I got a womans stroke paralyzed cramped-into-a-pretzel-below-the-chin arm to become fully relaxed and rested after 10 minutes of hypnosis, and got her to sleep a restful sleep for the first time in 5 years. That is measurable.
3. I got a patient with severe tinnitus to get a reduction from 9 (on a scale of 10) to 1-2. This guy had to sleep with headphones playing loud music to drench the ringing in his ears - and he did not get much sleep anyways. When we found the key into his mind, he just went BANG! and fell into a heap of a man, crying for 10 minutes of relief. That is measurable.
4. A friend of mine said he wanted a testosterone/adrenaline booster "installed" in his body, so we built one... by hypnosis... a slider on his arm. He was going to use it to get fired up when he went stick fighting, he was usually badly beaten for an hour because he was so non-agressive before the pain kicked him into gear. Anyway - he got this "slider" he could regulate on his arm. I called him a week after the "installation" and asked him if he had beaten the crap out of his training partners, and he said that he had not trained since we met... but... a big BUT... he had been lifting some weights, doing some bench pressing with 220 lbs and only managed to do 6 reps which was rather subpar for him - so he slid the slider, and did 12 more immediately after with no rest period after the previous 6 reps. From 6 to 18 reps. That is PROOF. That is measurable.
I will stop here. I could go on and on. My point is that by just using words, we can access mind/body mechanisms that control - I dare to claim - EVERY function in the body. From hormones, cell generation, neurological functioning to G-d knows what.
Now - I registered on this forum just because I saw the bad juju you - Jogro - were spreading. The cold, cynical, severely limited "scientific" outlook you dispense LITERALLY kills people. I will stand for that. You have no clue to what harm you've already caused.
"Giving false hope to people with terminal diseases" - that false hope WILL make some people beat the cancer REGARDLESS if CBD/THC works in vitro or in vivo. Then it is NOT false hope. Spontaneous remission happens all the time.
You claim that there are no scientific evidence, that an in vitro study with animal cells is not valid or interesting and whatever.
Now... the fact is that there are dozens of videos and forum testimonials of people that had been "abandoned" by the medical society and "science" and left to die, classified as incurables and supposed to be dead within weeks or months. Those people did not throw in the towel, they did not give up, and they took CBD/THC oil. Maybe they hit some CBD1 receptors, maybe they got extra rest, maybe they healed psychological trauma or released anxiety - who cares - they got cured. How? Who cares... RIGHT NOW - people are dying and need an extra chance. Maybe it is a lottery ticket, but if you don't play the lottery, you certainly don't win - who knows the winning ratio of a CBD/THC oil cure? 50%, 5%, 0.5%? One thing is for sure - some people played the lottery, and they WON.
The thing that a witch doctor like you - Jogro - do, is that you not only make people not playing the lottery, but you also tell people that already had bought into the game to rip their lottery ticket to pieces by saying that you can't win!
You might laugh at my argumentation, put me in the pseudoscientific hole, argue if my experiences are true etc... I don't care. The only thing I care about is that I can undo some of the damage that you and others of your ilk do.
I do not debate the fact that there are a lot of complete fools out there who have no scientific background nor any reasoning skills or medical/scientific knowledge - I resent them too - the problem is that YOU throw away the baby with the bathwater.
A final note about in vivo testing on humans - how likely is it that you would get ethical approval of ingesting 1 gram of CBD/THC a day for a couple of months? Look at the puny concentration of CBD/THC in Sativex - which obviously has an effect - but if the CBD/THC oil mechanism requires mega dosing, saturating and cleaning a number of known and unknown receptors in the body, as well as penetrating different tissues with more or less metabolic activity (like fat, bone) - that is not going to happen within the current medical establishment.
But merely growing a few plants in your basement surely doesn't qualify anyone as pharmacist or scientist, let alone an oncologist.
Absolutely true. Does it matter? I've met a few oncologists, including one of the absolute top researchers in the field for extended times - and I am not impressed. There are obviously better men than me out there that are oncologists - but so far I've not seen any light from that direction. What is a general oncologist? A parrot and/or a robot - learned a lot of "truths" in medical school, and having to follow certain rules and regulations. Where is the engineer, the trouble shooter - not in the medical field, that is for sure. What is a pharmacist? It is a clerk that stands behind a desk with specialized goods! Sure, I know some pharmacists at hospitals that mix exotic medicines which degrade within an hour and need rather complicated lab procedures - but no thinking is required. Parroting, and protocols, and lab knowledge. Most pharmacists don't even come close to the ones I described above. As for scientists - I've had a number of battles with "scientists". Their motivation is not truth (in general) but grants. They are not driven by practical applications, immediate benefits and results, resolving mystery and anomalies, expanding models - it is NOT happening with 99% of the "scientists" - at least.
The problem with the "scientists" is that they are too closed in general, so you need to be open to new ideas. The problem with the stoners and new agers and ignoramuses is that they are so open so the brain fall out.
Please do not make this into a dick swinging contest. You've no clue from what I've written above what I do, what I know, what I've done, who I know, my motivations, affiliations and such - and I rather don't expose my dick in public.
For the record, English is not my native language. Any nitpicking regarding details in my post shows that you're not addressing my accusation - that your belief system is toxic and literally can kill other people.
/J
