High Light efficiency tests (TEKNIK) - 2.47 umol/j CRI 94.2

Randomblame

Randomblame

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Greengenes707 said:
No you can't because you have no ammunition. You are wrong about everything you have tried to present about sphere's and gonio testing. I showed you a test of the same fixture in a sphere and a gonio bya NIST lab. There was .005% variation between the two peice of equipment...just as I stated and presented. Both calibrated and accurate. You can not backpedal out of your false claims now dude.

Page1 you're spewing from the start...VVV
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I've not changed my opinion nor do I backpedal. I still say there is a wider tolerance. Just because you showed two nearly identical results I don't change my mind. That's just two examply results and say nothing...and you know that yourself!

You still try to make me look like an idiot. That's all! I don't care about what you say anyway. You can say what you want. You can not get me to offend you!
Where ever I see you, you start to argue with someone. This time it was my turn .. Okay, I can live with it. It was only a matter of time... But it's done now! Nobody want's to read your dogmatism again and again. :spew:

Fuck:wall::wall::wall: if only I had kept my mouth shut.
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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Randomblame said:
I've not changed my opinion nor do I backpedal. I still say there is a wider tolerance. Just because you showed two nearly identical results I don't change my mind. That's just two examply results and say nothing...and you know that yourself!

You still try to make me look like an idiot. That's all! I don't care about what you say anyway. You can say what you want. You can not get me to offend you!
Where ever I see you, you start to argue with someone. This time it was my turn .. Okay, I can live with it. It was only a matter of time... But it's done now! Nobody want's to read your dogmatism again and again. :spew:

Fuck:wall::wall::wall: if only I had kept my mouth shut.
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Then present something supporting it. All I have done is point out the facts of the matter and presented evidence showing the consistencies between the two instruments that you falsely claimed give different data and are not both equally acceptable for total output. The results posted were just as valid and correct as any other calibrated sphere OR gonio test.

STOP TRYING TO MAKE EXCUSES
 
diggs99

diggs99

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Common theme on RIU seems to be companies/guys repping companies who Advertise here going off the rails and shooting themselves in the foot more than helping their cause.

This guy is another perfect example. Going on and on about something apparently only he cares about, its not a good look. Not saying hes right or wrong, i honestly dont know. I do know how a company owner/rep/employee should act tho, this aint it.

Think about potential PLC buyers/customers seeing these posts and how you are acting, seems very counter productive as a business man trying to rep a company.

I have no dog in this fight

I wish peace and love on every being.

Yes im high right now
 
Prawn Connery

Prawn Connery

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Look, I don't mind a bit of debate, but once it gets to the point of repetition, then it's no longer a debate and more of an argument.

Gonio vs sphere is a valid topic. Perhaps if we saw more examples we would all be better informed.

I still think the best way to settle the debate is to test things on the same equipment under the same conditions - that way there is almost no doubt.

I agree that in an ideal world, there should be no difference. But the world is not ideal.
 
Prawn Connery

Prawn Connery

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OK, IES files. These things rock!

I've attached the IES files to this post as a ZIP file - anyone interested can download and unpack all the IES files that are inside (High Lights tested at 1.5A, 2.5A, 3.5A and 4A)

If you don't have Dialux, you can get it here (Windoze only): https://www.dial.de/en/dialux-desktop/download/

Once you've downloaded the software, you can import the IES files and apply them to any configuration you like. You will need to set the luminaire dimensions, which are 380mm x 185mm x 2mm (the board is 415 x 205 x 2, but you need to use the LED emission pattern).

Here's an example of what I've been playing with today. It is an open room (no reflective walls) 2.55m x 0.85m with a pair of Highlights over three stations (850mm x 850mm), similar to what we will be doing with them in a commercial room that is replacing all its 600W HPS lamps with High Lights and 480 drivers.

The boards are paired as they would be in real life, and the current is 3.5A, which is slightly less than you can expect with a HLG-320H-48A driver maxed out (336W to the boards). The height is 450mm (15"). You can see 1020 PPFD directly under the panels bleeding to 850, then 680 and no less than 510 in the middle of each station.

In reality, there are white reflective walls on three sides, and the other side is open to overlapping light from other stations, so the edge figures will improve.

These figures appear to be very much inline with the preliminary PAR mapping we did prior to getting the High Lights gonio tested and mapped. You can create almost any situation with these files and get a great simulation before actual PAR testing (assuming you have a PAR meter).

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Or_Gro

Or_Gro

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Greengenes707 said:
Cool...cause it's really simple. You kept putting in an excuse instead of simply stopping. Every time...you had to try and make an unbacked excuse. And to this point have never come with anything backing your claims. So I continued to correct you and ask to support them with citations and examples, which you have provided none. And now are playing some kind of victim, cause I have pointed out your false and unbacked statements and asked you to support those claims.
So if you're done trying to make excuse and play a victim cause you have been making false and unbacked claims and were called on it. I'm done. But if you want to keep making false and unbaked claims, then I'm not done making sure the correct information is presented and you can take that personally or as for the facts that they are.

Hope you have a better day.
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Or_Gro

Or_Gro

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Greengenes707 said:
No you can't because you have no ammunition. You are wrong about everything you have tried to present about sphere's and gonio testing. I showed you a test of the same fixture in a sphere and a gonio bya NIST lab. There was .005% variation between the two peice of equipment...just as I stated and presented. Both calibrated and accurate. You can not backpedal out of your false claims now dude.

Page1 you're spewing from the start...VVV
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=C6cxNR9ML8k
 
Or_Gro

Or_Gro

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Randomblame said:
I've not changed my opinion nor do I backpedal. I still say there is a wider tolerance. Just because you showed two nearly identical results I don't change my mind. That's just two examply results and say nothing...and you know that yourself!

You still try to make me look like an idiot. That's all! I don't care about what you say anyway. You can say what you want. You can not get me to offend you!
Where ever I see you, you start to argue with someone. This time it was my turn .. Okay, I can live with it. It was only a matter of time... But it's done now! Nobody want's to read your dogmatism again and again. :spew:

Fuck:wall::wall::wall: if only I had kept my mouth shut.
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The guy doesn’t understand “beating a dead horse”
 
Or_Gro

Or_Gro

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Prawn Connery said:
Look, I don't mind a bit of debate, but once it gets to the point of repetition, then it's no longer a debate and more of an argument.

Gonio vs sphere is a valid topic. Perhaps if we saw more examples we would all be better informed.

I still think the best way to settle the debate is to test things on the same equipment under the same conditions - that way there is almost no doubt.

I agree that in an ideal world, there should be no difference. But the world is not ideal.
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I think the horsebeater should start a thread about repeating insignificant shit w insults...ad nauseum...then try to sell some product...
 
Or_Gro

Or_Gro

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Prawn Connery said:
OK, IES files. These things rock!

I've attached the IES files to this post as a ZIP file - anyone interested can download and unpack all the IES files that are inside (High Lights tested at 1.5A, 2.5A, 3.5A and 4A)

If you don't have Dialux, you can get it here (Windoze only): https://www.dial.de/en/dialux-desktop/download/

Once you've downloaded the software, you can import the IES files and apply them to any configuration you like. You will need to set the luminaire dimensions, which are 380mm x 185mm x 2mm (the board is 415 x 205 x 2, but you need to use the LED emission pattern).

Here's an example of what I've been playing with today. It is an open room (no reflective walls) 2.55m x 0.85m with a pair of Highlights over three stations (850mm x 850mm), similar to what we will be doing with them in a commercial room that is replacing all its 600W HPS lamps with High Lights and 480 drivers.

The boards are paired as they would be in real life, and the current is 3.5A, which is slightly less than you can expect with a HLG-320H-48A driver maxed out (336W to the boards). The height is 450mm (15"). You can see 1020 PPFD directly under the panels bleeding to 850, then 680 and no less than 510 in the middle of each station.

In reality, there are white reflective walls on three sides, and the other side is open to overlapping light from other stations, so the edge figures will improve.

These figures appear to be very much inline with the preliminary PAR mapping we did prior to getting the High Lights gonio tested and mapped. You can create almost any situation with these files and get a great simulation before actual PAR testing (assuming you have a PAR meter).

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Looks familiar, great job teknik & prawn!

One quibble....i got a 5% difference, which i would like to blow outta proportion and beat to a pulp...
 
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