"High Lights" - high powered, CRI95 flowering boards made in Australia

Or_Gro

Or_Gro

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Rocket Soul said:
I have looked at this match up now for a few days and im ready to guess your performance will go the same order as quoted:
Highlights (best), 288s, elites ; or really, the performance will be relative to light distribution and hanging height. The High lights have more board surface than the 288s and should land on top.
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We shall see...if i don’t f#ck it up...
 
Prawn Connery

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Randomblame said:
As reference makes sense too. If its an Amnesia x OG kush cross... I've also read the overgrow theory. In most of this theories there is something that makes sense... at least somehow..
I think it will stay a myth how the name was created. Even if I like the term original kush there were a lots of different kush strains in the hindukush valleys these days. Typically each family has its own favorit one could call a different kush strain.
I agree..These Amnesia seems to be a cross so probably there is just some OG kush in it..
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Have a look here mate, and click through the links to see the OG lineage: https://www.leafly.com/sativa/amnesia-og

Not a lot was known about indicas in the 80s, so no-one in the West really had any idea there were different varieties, only that they worked well for indoor crosses. It's such a shame Overgrow was seized by the feds, as I'm sure we'd be able to find the original reference for it on there.
 
Prawn Connery

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You're going to laugh: I didn't change a thing - LOL!

Half those plants were flowered a week after the others, so they're just stretching into flower and catching up with the others. The Wappa in the corner is the odd girl out. ;)
 
oldbeancounter

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Prawn Connery said:
The great shame about pitbulls is not the dogs themselves - they are a wonderful breed - but the dickheads they attract. Also, don't confuse a mongo fuckwit's dog with a "real" pitbull - his is a fat, overblown liver-colour mongrel likely the result of some backyard fear-biting cross that wouldn't last 30 seconds with a proper pit dog. A reflection of his owner.

In the 70s it was the german shepherd. In the 80s it was the bull terrier. And in the 90s it was the pitbull. All of these breeds were subject to bans or attempted bans in Australia precisely because of the low-life cunts who owned them. They bred fear biters and curs - not knowing (nor caring) what they were doing - and undid all the hard, thoughtful work that went into the original breeds that had stablised them over generations for their specific tasks.

Pitbulls - although generally dog aggressive - can be wonderful dogs around people. They are one of the best alround dogs ever developed.

German shepherds have been mostly ruined by back-yard breeders and the show ring. Their only saving grace has been the fall of the Soviet Bock that uncovered good working lines from East Germany and Czechoslovakia (although they have their own foibles), and some of the original West German working lines.

Most police and special forces now use Malinois and Dutch shepherds almost exclusively because of the difficulty of finding a good German shepherd that won't break down in the field.

Bull terriers are a victim of their small gene pool and are another great dog that was ruined by the show ring - although the pitbull purists will claim they were always bred for the ring. Working dog owners - at least those who owned good ones - knew better. But it's almost impossible to find a good working bull terrier nowadays.

The moral of the story is: don't judge a breed by its owner.
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You do have a point.
There were so many attacks here that cities started banning them.
Unfortunately along with good owners it attracts a macho tough guy sorta owner and those are the dangerous ones.
Anyhow I am not into politics of dog ownership, just learning here and if I am able help others.
 
Or_Gro

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oldbeancounter said:
Those Hl lights look neat, cost ?
What is 4x18/35 ?
Also the eod far red?
Looks like a wicked grow you got planned!
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Hlg qb18 and qb35 are “emerson boards”. They contain red, deep red, and far red diodes to increase photosynthesis using the emerson effect (learn more in “the far red thread” on riu). The qb18 and qb35 Are the same boards, the 35 is the full kit, the 18 is just the board. The 96s already have most of what is in the 18/35 built-in, just need to have some add’l far red.

End of Day (eod) far red (see far red thread), refers to the “initiator effect”, which basically instantaneously puts the plants into nighttime/sleep mode, when the far red is turned on for a few minutes at lightsout (normally takes plants a couple hours to do under normal conditions). I push my plants pretty hard during flowering, so i let them sleep longer, but some guys use the quicker initiation of sleep mode to lengthen lightson by up to 2 hours, which can reduce flower cycle duration and/or boost yield....
 
oldbeancounter

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Or_Gro said:
Hlg qb18 and qb35 are “emerson boards”. They contain red, deep red, and far red diodes to increase photosynthesis using the emerson effect (learn more in “the far red thread” on riu). The qb18 and qb35 Are the same boards, the 35 is the full kit, the 18 is just the board. The 96s already have most of what is in the 18/35 built-in, just need to have some add’l far red.

End of Day (eod) far red (see far red thread), refers to the “initiator effect”, which basically instantaneously puts the plants into nighttime/sleep mode, when the far red is turned on for a few minutes at lightsout (normally takes plants a couple hours to do under normal conditions). I push my plants pretty hard during flowering, so i let them sleep longer, but some guys use the quicker initiation of sleep mode to lengthen lightson by up to 2 hours, which can reduce flower cycle duration and/or boost yield....
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Oh OK
I have 4 of the QB18's just cleared customs hopefully here by weekend so I can lay out my build.
I am not sure I buy into the far red making plants sleep though.
All I want now is some blue 430-450nm ish for now.
I was hoping Mark from Cutter would get back to me about the custom strips for my big tent but I guess he is too busy.
Failing that I might wait for HLG to get some in as I messaged asking if they might be soon.
 
Or_Gro

Or_Gro

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Prawn Connery said:
The great shame about pitbulls is not the dogs themselves - they are a wonderful breed - but the dickheads they attract. Also, don't confuse a mongo fuckwit's dog with a "real" pitbull - his is a fat, overblown liver-colour mongrel likely the result of some backyard fear-biting cross that wouldn't last 30 seconds with a proper pit dog. A reflection of his owner.

In the 70s it was the german shepherd. In the 80s it was the bull terrier. And in the 90s it was the pitbull. All of these breeds were subject to bans or attempted bans in Australia precisely because of the low-life cunts who owned them. They bred fear biters and curs - not knowing (nor caring) what they were doing - and undid all the hard, thoughtful work that went into the original breeds that had stablised them over generations for their specific tasks.

Pitbulls - although generally dog aggressive - can be wonderful dogs around people. They are one of the best alround dogs ever developed.

German shepherds have been mostly ruined by back-yard breeders and the show ring. Their only saving grace has been the fall of the Soviet Bock that uncovered good working lines from East Germany and Czechoslovakia (although they have their own foibles), and some of the original West German working lines.

Most police and special forces now use Malinois and Dutch shepherds almost exclusively because of the difficulty of finding a good German shepherd that won't break down in the field.

Bull terriers are a victim of their small gene pool and are another great dog that was ruined by the show ring - although the pitbull purists will claim they were always bred for the ring. Working dog owners - at least those who owned good ones - knew better. But it's almost impossible to find a good working bull terrier nowadays.

The moral of the story is: don't judge a breed by its owner.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=-GaJPgI3jh4
 
Randomblame

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ANC said:
The H_influx or F series strips are pretty much the cheapest I can get that number of guaranteed quality LED already mounted, imported into this shithole, with free shipping to boot.
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If you're forced to use digikey to get them shipped to your location consider to wait for the Blux EBgen3 series. They reach up to 199lm/w in (4k/CRI80) at nominal current(700mA) and should have +180lm/w at max. current(1,4A).
They should be available until end of Q2(june) and can run with no heat sink even if you run them @1,4apms.
Simply use 2 strips per bar if you like the double row layout or screw them to a frame without heatsinks and distribute them evenly. Just a big enough frame and maybe one additional cross bar and the strips directly mounted on the frame. Would be a extremly light weight fixture and almost no additional costs for heat sinks/c-channels. You just have to be careful because it is not as stable and resistant like with additional c-channels..
 
Or_Gro

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oldbeancounter said:
Oh OK
I have 4 of the QB18's just cleared customs hopefully here by weekend so I can lay out my build.
I am not sure I buy into the far red making plants sleep though.
All I want now is some blue 430-450nm ish for now.
I was hoping Mark from Cutter would get back to me about the custom strips for my big tent but I guess he is too busy.
Failing that I might wait for HLG to get some in as I messaged asking if they might be soon.
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On far red sleep, you need to do some research, this effect is well documented...
 
Randomblame

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Prawn Connery said:
Have a look here mate, and click through the links to see the OG lineage: https://www.leafly.com/sativa/amnesia-og

Not a lot was known about indicas in the 80s, so no-one in the West really had any idea there were different varieties, only that they worked well for indoor crosses. It's such a shame Overgrow was seized by the feds, as I'm sure we'd be able to find the original reference for it on there.
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Yeah, and I've read an article ~1 year ago were the researchers have said the whole indika, sativa and ruderalis categories are wrong and the most strains today are actually indika varieties.
Even strains like jamaican lambsbread, mexican sativa aso. are actually indika strains because all of today's varieties, probably even ruderalis, have emerged/developed from the originally Indika genotype. If you go back far enough all the seeds were distributed around the world by traders and sailors a few hundred years ago and all of them are said to come from the original indika genetics found in the hindukush. According to them everything we call indika or sativa today is really nothing else as just a different genotype of this old indika genetic.
Unfortunately I've no link and don't remember where I've read it but it was an interesting approach and does not lack a certain logic.
 
Or_Gro

Or_Gro

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Randomblame said:
Yeah, and I've read an article ~1 year ago were the researchers have said the whole indika, sativa and ruderalis categories are wrong and the most strains today are actually indika varieties.
Even strains like jamaican lambsbread, mexican sativa aso. are actually indika strains because all of today's varieties, probably even ruderalis, have emerged/developed from the originally Indika genotype. If you go back far enough all the seeds were distributed around the world by traders and sailors a few hundred years ago and all of them are said to come from the original indika genetics found in the hindukush. According to them everything we call indika or sativa today is really nothing else as just a different genotype of this old indika genetic.
Unfortunately I've no link and don't remember where I've read it but it was an interesting approach and does not lack a certain logic.
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http://theleafonline.com/c/science/2015/01/indica-sativa-ruderalis-get-wrong/
 
Prawn Connery

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Randomblame said:
Yeah, and I've read an article ~1 year ago were the researchers have said the whole indika, sativa and ruderalis categories are wrong and the most strains today are actually indika varieties.
Even strains like jamaican lambsbread, mexican sativa aso. are actually indika strains because all of today's varieties, probably even ruderalis, have emerged/developed from the originally Indika genotype. If you go back far enough all the seeds were distributed around the world by traders and sailors a few hundred years ago and all of them are said to come from the original indika genetics found in the hindukush. According to them everything we call indika or sativa today is really nothing else as just a different genotype of this old indika genetic.
Unfortunately I've no link and don't remember where I've read it but it was an interesting approach and does not lack a certain logic.
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That's interesting, because I read something many years ago claiming equatorial sativa was the original cannabis and that indica evolved from it as it moved further from the equator. (We were discussing why Durban Poison had so many indica traits, even though it is a sativa.)

The weird thing is what @Or_Gro just posted - because when I was reading @Randomblame's post I thought "No, it's the other way around!" and now I discover that sativas are actually indicas!
 
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Or_Gro

Or_Gro

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Prawn Connery said:
That's interesting, because I read something many years ago claiming equatorial sativa was the original cannabis and that indica evolved from it as it moved further from the equator. (We were discussing why Durban Poison had so many indica traits, even though it is a sativa.)

The weird thing is what @Or_Gro just posted - because when I was reading @Randomblame's post I thought "No, it's the other way around!" and now I discover that sativas are actualyl indicas!
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No, they’re ruderallis...
 
Prawn Connery

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No, they're indicas ;)

Sativa is now Indica

Indica is now Afghanica

Ruderalis is now Sativa

No such thing as "Ruderalis" any more - at least not according to your link :P
 
Randomblame

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Or_Gro said:
http://theleafonline.com/c/science/2015/01/indica-sativa-ruderalis-get-wrong/
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Prawn Connery said:
That's interesting, because I read something many years ago claiming equatorial sativa was the original cannabis and that indica evolved from it as it moved further from the equator. (We were discussing why Durban Poison had so many indica traits, even though it is a sativa.)

The weird thing is what @Or_Gro just posted - because when I was reading @Randomblame's post I thought "No, it's the other way around!" and now I discover that sativas are actually indicas!
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Yeah, it was exactly O’Shaughnessy’s report... Thanks!
So according to him we actually grow more or less afghanicas and todays strains are just combo's of different afghanica subspecies. In 1970 they couldn't decode the DNA but it's actually the only way to determine that for sure.
 
Randomblame

Randomblame

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Prawn Connery said:
No, they're indicas ;)

Sativa is now Indica

Indica is now Afghanica

Ruderalis is now Sativa

No such thing as "Ruderalis" any more - at least not according to your link :P
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That could actually be, lol! .. it is even likely!
In russia there are huge fields of socalled wild ruderalis which are guarded by the military because otherwise all others would serve themselves. They mow it all down when its done using combined harvesters and my friend told me what sticks to the harvester blades gets sold later and is not far behind from afghan hash. He is from tajikistan (a late repatriate with german descent) where one of the largest fields is located and russian teachers say that these fields are at least hundreds of years old. So maybe Attilah the hunne has smoked it already..
 
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