Hormones vs Co2 - Hormones Cheaper Potentially Yeild the Same!

Jester88

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personally im not sorry born2killspam is leaving....


no offense dude..... but for some reason i just dont like you... got me all paranoid about getting something for a plant for fuck sakes..... WHICH I HAVE FOUND.... and no its not a watched item its made for plants....

like i said no offense tho
your probably a cool guy and shit... and i normaly dont go out of my way to cause shit on a forumthread, but you guys are being assholes.... how would you feel if i came to your thread just to say you suck im unsubscribing... i mean what an ass.... as for the its been done damn strait but i didnt see em. most shits been done your only like the 10000000000000000000 th person to grow a marijuana plant. im sick of nay sayers.



peace
jester88

sorry for being an ass but can we move along please....


p.s dont ya just wish ya could reach through the computer screen an slap some ppl in the face....
 

eza82

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JEZ......your a champ !
Your head and heart in the right space !~
Ignorence is there prorogitive.... both have no valueable threads for information both just leach onto other peoples work and thread and crit, ad pull apart... though they will never put forward a valueable theory or idea of there own.....

If you dont like what we are on about .... no need to post just f@#k off......

I enjoy the intellectual value of the people who have subscribed here, there are some smart people here..... who not nessecerly have growing experience but Common sense and basic knowledge..which i think, bring more value than an so called old 36yr growing vetrien who is still experimenting with root hormone.lol.. and have proven to me that some of them KNOW alot more than me.... and they are on there 2nd grow etc....

If you need to be an arse....dont ...... because your going to look foolish here !
 

eza82

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this is something i have just started to experiment with !


I recieved a PACK OF THIS STUFF with an order of RED CLOVER im also experimenting with for phytoestrogens......... So i will use it on a few seeds ive got !AM.





Rhizobium

inoculate seed before planting?

inoculated with the proper Rhizobium bacteria. (black chalky looking shit )

Inoculation is easy and inexpensive and provides good assurance that plants will fix nitrogen. EXPLANATION:
IE:seeds can be inoculated with live rhizobium bacteria (Rhizobium meliloti), . The only time producers do not need to inoculate is when planting preinoculated seed before its expiration date.
In some fields with recent histories of alfalfa or sweetclover, alfalfa may not benefit from inoculation, but it is difficult to identify those fields before planting. After emergence, inoculation is risky, difficult, and expensive.​

Many strains of rhizobia are present in soil, and some may form nodules on alfalfa roots, but not all nodules fix nitrogen. Effective N-fixing nodules on alfalfa are generally pink to deep red on the inside and can fix several hundred pounds of nitrogen per acre each season.
Specific rhizobium bacteria for alfalfa assure effective nitrogen fixation by new stands. Together they convert atmospheric nitrogen into a form available to plants if effective nodules are present. Nodules are the result of an infection by an effective strain of bacteria (Rhizobium meliloti).
Inoculating alfalfa seed: Inoculation is nothing more than mixing bacteria with the seed before planting. Dry inoculant can be mixed with seed, but it is difficult to assure good mixing and to avoid much of the inoculant from falling on the ground some distance from the seed. Certain brands of alfalfa seed are pre-inoculated (with or without lime coating) and do not need additional inoculant.
Stickers help nodule forming bacteria adhere to seed. Excellent commercial preparations of stickers and rhizobium are available from inoculant manufacturers. For best results, follow the manufacturer's instructions.
An alternative to commercial stickers is to use milk or a water-based solution containing 10 to 20 % table syrup or sugar. One pint of the sticky mixture provides sufficient sticker for a bushel of seed. Moisten all seeds (in a concrete mixer, if possible), then add the inoculant. If the mixture is too moist, add more inoculant, finely ground limestone, or powdery dry soil.
Shelf life of inoculants: Expiration dates appear on inoculant packets and pre-inoculated seed bags. The date indicates when most of the bacteria will have died under normal storage conditions. Properly inoculated seeds have thousands of bacteria per seed; however, only one bacterium is needed to infest a seedling's root. Bacteria on seed in hot soil die, a few at a time. Nevertheless, even after 2 or 3 weeks, there are usually enough live bacteria remaining to be effective.
Heat, direct sunlight, and drying are all detrimental to the survival of rhizobia. For this reason, it is important to store inoculant packets in a cool place (refrigerate if possible). Even with the large amounts of rhizobia initially applied, many bacteria may die during prolonged storage.
If there are questions about the viability of bacteria on inoculated seed due to the length of storage or storage conditions, then seed should be reinoculated. Do not use water to moisten lime-coated seed. Fresh inoculant can be applied with mineral oil as a sticker. About 1/2 ounce of mineral oil per pound of seed is sufficient.
Cost/benefit of inoculation: Inoculant is normally included with the higher priced seed. Cost for preinoculated seed is 5 to 10¢/lb more than comparable raw seed. Inoculant costs about $1/A, if applied by the producer.
All legumes (including alfalfa) can establish and survive without nitrogen-fixing bacteria, but plants cannot fix nitrogen. This means that without added nitrogen, plants will have a yellowish appearance and yields will be low. With high rates of nitrogen fertilizer application, uninoculated stands can be productive.
If nitrogen fertilizer is applied to alfalfa for normal growth and quality, 200 - 400 lb. actual N/A would be required, costing $50 - $200/A. Since inoculation is easy and cheap, it is probably the best insurance farmers can buy.​

can i use it at any time ??
there is at least one commercial bacterial preparation that can be mixed with water and sprayed on plants to improve inoculation with rhizobia.
During dry or cold (below 500 F) soil conditions, rhizobia may not grow and multiply normally. Slow growth of rhizobia is also caused by acid or infertile soil. If fertilizer and lime were not applied according to soil tests, the materials should be applied as soon as possible and may alleviate the problem with poor inoculation.
The cost and effectiveness of inoculation after planting is highly variable because of the array of conditions that can cause poor inoculation. Rhizobia must come in contact with root hairs before they dry out or they will not be effective; consequently, weather conditions are critical for this application.​


http://alfalfa.okstate.edu/pub/stand-949/seed.htm








https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/159989-hormones-pgr-s-vitimans-research-7.html#post2174216


here are some current recommendations made to me by some pro`s in hort industry:






LIQUID LEAD



Grow Hard's Liquid Lead contains a special formula precisely designed for the heaviest harvest. A unique blend of organic enzyme activators, vitamins, essential animo acids and carbohydrates that will unleash the full flowering potential of your favourite plants or herbs.


Liquid Lead optimises harvest weight, promotes vigorous growth, enhances flavour and taste and increases health of flowering plants in your hydroponic system.​




PRO-PK PROFESSIONAL POTASH



Superior Weight Booster


When you initiate flowering there is a massive surge in the plant’s requirement for potassium. Lowered potassium levels will simply slow down a plants growth rate to match the available potassium. More available potassium equals more flowers. Supplement your nutrient solution with PROFESSIONAL POTASH for increased potassium levels and maximum finished weight. Why don’t nutrient manufacturers add all of this extra potassium in their nutrient mix? They can’t for two reasons. The most important is that everybody’s system is different. Nutrients are made to cope with a wide range of conditions and could easily become out of balance. Problems could occur because hydroponic systems are managed by electrical conductivity rather than chemical analysis. Adding the extra potassium is really fine tuning. The second problem is a chemical one. Concentrated nutrients start to behave differently as the concentration increases and can start to salt out, creating insoluble compounds that can’t be used by the plant. We recommend PROFESSIONAL POTASH as an addition to your flowering nutrient for record breaking yields. Feel the weight of a bottle of PROFESSIONAL POTASH compared to our competitors, we put more in so that you get more out of your crop. Add PROFESSIONAL POTASH to fresh water at required rate first, then add your flowering nutrient and other additives. Pure elements in ultra pure water.​






 

eza82

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Trying to keep all additives to a minimal cost.... reletive to a commercial grow or the tight grower ! like me who is jus poor all the time ! lol
 

eza82

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Ive seen that ....good doc... i want intrevenous!

You need gene`s that are high in CBN and CBD - easy next question LOL...
seriously, that is a motive of mine as we speak in my THC - CBD CBN - MAKE MORE USEING UVB`s/ UVA`s..CHEAP&SIMPLE.?!! thread.....
Idea of recreating enviorments is my only real theory that has gained any ground !
Genes are the key, but my project is to induce the MAX production for any gene by recreating an environment ... which i hope will give me more THC/cbn/cbd
 

eza82

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I saw that documentary. Some of it was good, but there were definite anti-cannabis spin during some parts of it.
I agree, but scientificly is great comparison... gives ground for medical vs recreation, and defines the two..
With alot of the seed banks declareing what % of CBN,CBD it will allow us to make more informed decisions for medical use Vs rec use !
And be able to do this with out haveing to toke!!
 

eza82

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Dave- this is what it is....

Crop Care CYCOCEL® 77A
Plant Growth Regulant
ACTIVE CONSTITUENT: 77 g/L CHLORMEQUAT

present as CHLORMEQUAT CHLORIDE


Specifications:

Guaiacol
5-nitroguaiacol
Compound Sodium nitrophenolate
Sodium 5-nitroguaiacolate
Sodium para-nitrophenolate
DA-6
Sodium a-naphthaleneacitic acid
Sodium 2,4-dinitrophenolate
3'5'-Sodium nucleic acid
Compound potassium nitrophenolate
3-indolebutyric acid(IBA)
Laurocapram
Thiazone
Cyhalothrin-lambda(Cyhalothrin)

CYCOCEL 77A is a growth regulator which promotes flower formation and increases the berry set and yield of wine grapes and increase setting of currants.

Recommended Uses To increase the berry set and yield of wine grapes and increase setting of currants
.Advantages Increases the number of berries per bunch. Improves skin to total fruit ratio.
Benefits Improved colour of red wines. Increases yield.
Mode of Action CYCOCEL 77A is a growth regulator which inhibits cell elongation, hence shorthening and strengthening the stem and producing a sturdier plant. Also, influences the developmental cycle, leding to increased flowering and harvest.
Chemical Group PGR
General InstructionsMixing
Thoroughly mix the product with hard or soft water at the rates shown, then add wetter.
The product should be applied only to vigorous vines growing under good conditions and capable of carrying an increased crop.
This applies particularly to Muscat Gordo Blanco. As many factors affect yield of grapes, the use of CYCOCEL 77A may not always result in increased fruit production.

Compatibility
Do NOT mix the product with other chemicals except nonionic wetter, unless compatibility has been tested.

Company DetailsCROP CARE
Unit 15/16 Metroplex Avenue
Murarrie QLD 4172
Tel : 07 3909 2000
Fax : 07 3909 2010
Web : www.cropcare.com.au



INT trade site- with raw PGR`s
http://www.tradeindia.com/selloffer/1591649/Chlormequat-chloride.html

Look at this research LONG read...but very formal !
http://www.icar.org.in/icar2001.pdf
 

eza82

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i recognise the 2 in red :)
thought you might ! its lafemme NAA and rooting IBA


here is some stuff i want at the mo! HIGHLY CONSINTRATED !!!!!!




Black Thunder - Potassium Humate for indoor!
Description/Specification Black thunder is a potassium humate which is 100% soluble in water and is in a powder form.
It is obtainable in a concentration of 70%humic acid , 15%fulvic acid and 15% organic soluble potassium.
It can be used in landscapes and gardens as well as for agriculture and horticulture purposes.

The various advantages of potassium humate are:

* It stimulates the growth of the plant and improves the structure of the soil.
* It enhances the growth of the plant and soil fertility as it acts effectively on both the plant and soil.
* Black thunder can be easily stored and transported.
* It is easily soluble in water.
* It can also be applied with other chemical fertilizers or pesticides.
* It increases the nutrient values of the plant.

Viggi Agro Products

Bio Thunder (outdoor)
Description/Specification Bio Thunder is made up of mixture of plant extracts which are obtained from naturally occurring enzymes, vitamins, trace elements and amino acids of the plant origin. For the growth and development of the plant humate is a natural plant growth promoter which can be easily absorbed by the plant. It enhances the activity of the naturally available enzymes and hormones in the plant and thus fulfills the nutritional demand and accelerates the metabolic process of the plants. This active process helps in the formation of food materials like carbohydrates proteins etc. it promotes cell division which helps in the growth of the plant. Some of the prominent characteristics of Humate are:

* Due to better stimulating phenomena it increase the yield
* It improves the color, shape, luster and taste of the fruit as it enhances the nutritional uptake and utilization.
* After the harvesting is done it improves the quality of the flower and the fruit.
* It helps in the growth and development of the roots by absorbing the nutrients from the soil.
* It increases the photosynthetic activity of the plant thus results in the growth of new green and lustrous leaves.
* It improves the resistivity and helps the growth of the plant even in adverse conditions.



These are cheap ..............http://www.tradeindia.com/fp82279/Bio-Thunder.html

Here is a full list of different raw materials and cheap humantes and mixtures !

http://www.tradeindia.com/manufacturers/indianmanufacturers/organic-plant-growth-regulator.html


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mindphuk

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Considering buying that ! will save about $100 a liter ! for my rock juice which is around 150 a liter !

Thanx bro !
So a couple of us here in the US could go in on this auction for a few bills each and save good money on Budmeister?
 

eza82

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So a couple of us here in the US could go in on this auction for a few bills each and save good money on Budmeister?
race ya! ,,,LOL .. YEP!..... aND WITH EXCHANGE AT MOMENT !!!!!!!
We aussies make alot of nutes...including canna...in SA and many many more!
Or agri industry is huge as is US...but we do alot R&D here.... so trade quantities of alot of the hormones I talk about are here......
BUt;
Alot of agri trade sites or International chemical trade sites will sell Most PGR`s at trade price.... and CYCOCEL® 77A is MIN 5 ltr...
This is ALMOST the same as ROCK JUICE... and i suppose it is said its similar to budmiester but (budmeister) it iS lacking in cyotkinins.

its believed rock juice is a plasebo 85% (water) and Cycocel + a few other additives (similar to the AMINO acids and enzymes found in seaweed extract & fish emulsion}
 

eza82

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i will be getting this in next nute BULK purchase.......... this is so everything else we have spoken about has the best ability to stabilize and absorbe nutes and minerals,sugars,acids!
From- Visit my eBay Store:
Discount Hydroponic Supplies


CANNA RHIZOTONIC 5 LITRE
The Solution for Growth and Bloom
a natural 100% natural, organically certified root stimulator (OMRI).

  • Faster root development
  • Strong roots
  • Easy to use
  • Increased resistance to disease
  • For use in both indoor and outdoor cultivation
  • Instantly absorbable
  • More than 60 microbiological substances
  • No harmful residues
Canna Rhizotonic is a powerful algae-based root stimulator for fast growing plants that already have roots. Rhizotonic stimulates the further root development, increases the plant's resistance to disease and promotes its inner and outer strength.
Rhizotonic is 100% natural, and contains multiple vitamins. Rhizotonic influences the root environment and is the ideal supplement for the plant environment. Rhizotonic has a calming effect on plants, and is ideally suited for use when re-potting plants as well as improving plants that are unhealthy or poorly developed.
Rhizotonic can be used regardless of the type of medium. It is suitable for cultivation in potting soil and in hydroponic systems. Rhizotonic is often sprayed on leaves and can be used as a simple means for raising the pH level in fertilizer tanks.
Root Stimulant
Rhizotonic adds more than 60 microbiological substances that considerably speed up the grow of a balanced root environment. Various trace elements, vitamins such as B1 and B2 have been added to Rhizotonic in order to stimulate the plant production of hormones and root growth, thus providing better and stronger roots.
Vital plants
Good results start with a healthy plant. There are many different ways to stimulate plants aside from maintaining the proper levels of nutrients, acidity, temperature, air and light. Rhizotonic does so during the rooting and growing phase. Another important element in Rhizotonic is the root-strengthening hormone Oligosaccharine. Scientific research showed its beneficial effect in the creation of root cells without any negative side effects. Your plants will get beautiful, strong, white roots with Rhizotonic


wiki:
Oligosaccharine:An oligosaccharide is a saccharide polymer containing a small number (typically three to ten[1]) of component sugars, also known as simple sugars
Monosaccharides (from Greek monos: single, sacchar: sugar) are the most basic unit of carbohydrates. They are the simplest form of sugar and are usually colorless, water-soluble, crystalline solids

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from cana:


Rhizotonic

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Benefits of CANNA Rhizotonic:
• Aids in the immediate generation of lush, new root growth on cuttings and transplants.
• When used as a seed soak prior to planting, it will speed up the germination process.
• Enhances overall plant growth and chemical reactions in the plant to ensure a healthier, powerful and stronger plant.
• Aids in the recovery process of any plant or cutting that has been subjected to stress in any way whatsoever.
 
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