Hormones vs Co2 - Hormones Cheaper Potentially Yeild the Same!

eza82

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DONT GET DRUNK ... (day after christmas ) And try mixing nutes feeding your outdoor plants... They will get nute burn....... But recovering fine...the big bitch is about 6 ft. (fence 7ft )

Two at back are clones from a WICKED family strain.... we call Bliss (purple`ish) and two at front are just good bagseed......
Look alittle droppy because there missed watering` night was last night.... So only got water 15mins prior..... from really droopy!

You can see the two bagseed..... one on left (call it a#) Seed WAS NOT treated . It is about 10cm shorter. Stems are dramaticlly different..... One on right (b#) was seed germinated with a IAA solution watered down, has a girth of a TEXTER ` or big pencil and perfect looking plant almost perfectly cemetrical ? The a# is 1/2 the size and shows signs of deformation. Not conclusive.... will test the another 3 seeds with this method.

Yes... those chillis outdoors are also going to be in the program.... building green house at mo.... will update with photo when done..
 

HOHO

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i was thinking,if i have 5 healthy plants in the morning i would like to try some more cheap ones like yates cutting powder or something else,any suggestions?
 

eza82

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NONE outdoors at mo.... They are to be proud mothers...... there kids ill play the hand of god on..... They did get a hit with NAA but that is for FEM induceing. Had 5 and 2 turned..... so its more of a prevenative.

What do you think of My 5 Hormone plan ?? This is where im starting... then as I have a sucsess I will find something new... But to perfect or understand these first 5-6 is my goal at moment...... Then I would like to fuck with growth, in that I want a SOG solution............ Hormones as mentioned before that will basicly stop branchs growing and keep hieght uniform.

5 hormone plan...
1. Forms of Auxin, it is the active ingredient in most rooting compounds in which cuttings are dipped during vegetative propagation IAA, IBA. The forms i will be useing: YATES Cutting powder (IAA) and or willow water... During times of growth a germination. (NOT BUD) in minute quantities

2. Gibberellins (ga3) to break seed dormancy, and speed germination. Veg tests also...

3. NAA - for fem attributes in seed germ and mid bud.
And on cuttings.....
for application I will probably follow this study
http://resources.metapress.com/pdf-p...5&size=largest

4. BRASSINOLIDE
6wks veg for It will increase a plants resistance to stress and will increase production of root mass.

5. 6-BENZYLAMINOPURINE
6-8wk veg & 4th week of flowring for bud growth

All will be in varying ranges from PPM to PPB (billion) to each plant (test subject) at different times. Within reason...as in I will follow other testing methods that have had good result in the AGRI industry

+ ALL ordinary NUTES.
 

HOHO

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i never have tried a real garden with vegies but i do like them and could prolly get in to it easy,glad too see the chilies are in this to
 

eza82

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Agriculture industry...... they use all of these in mass on most veggy crops.
So im saying yes but i have not picked which suppliers yet......
 

eza82

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POST IN PM MSGS by Genfranco?: Hey so ive been reading about this guy that used "take root" to enhance his buds.

I want something to add after supercropping to boost them into growth quicker.... What ya think?

Active ingredient is .1% indole- 3 butric acid.. 99.9% Other....

So you would think that active ingredient is the key... but at such low dose?
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HOHO

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i'm confused are you talking about panhead, cuz thats how i got your link i'm just using both threads would you like to just use one?
 

eza82

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SORY champ cut and pasted out of MSg folder......... Someone coming to join the fun !
Post on which ever.... they are sorta tied.... for experiments journels post here...
 

Jester88

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here bro

but dont thank me for the contribution this is fdd2blks experiment
i found it on rollitup..

when this was about 2 inches tall i added soil and happened to be cutting clones the same night. i had cloning gel on my finger and decided to rub it all over this seedling to see what would happen. this was about 10 days ago. look at it........


this was yesterday........

the stalk was straight before i applied the gel. i only applied it at the bottom 1/4 inch. it seems to have travel up thru the main stalk.

wow, look what i started.



my leaves are getting spots on them now. the lower stalk is getting "knotty". the main stalk is still curly. i mist the lower stalk once a night when the gel dries and turns white. this plant is on the same schedule as all the others and none of the others are getting these spotty leaves. and it's growth appears to be stunted. it's the one in the middle.





this is the original one that the stalk swelled up on. it is shorter than the others but the stalk is much thicker and it is hard like wood.



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this is the clone that i put gel on after trimming a few lower side branches. it's smaller and it's leaves are all spotty.......






this is the seedling i put gel on the bottom of the stalk when it was a few nodes high. it too is shorter but the leaves look fine.......





plant next to it. same strain started at the same time.........








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Wow,i saw results in bud growth quickly,i only visit my garden every 2 days because of the long drive to get there so its usually pretty easy for me to notice change, this time i was dumbfounded as soon as i walked in,the new bud growth was allmost an explosive burst in new calyx's on the bud of one plant.

The pattern of growth on this plant has allways been even all around the bud & consistent from the top down to the bottom of the bud,now the bud is lumpy as hell with new growth.

Hmmmm...............this shits got me wondering big time,i saw some differences in my other girls that were not given root tone in their water but nowhere near as dramatic as this one,the seedlings i put root tone on have not shown anything dramatic yet but have shown faster leaf production than others.

This is the test plant with a dramatic growth spurt & the seedlings.



The growth rate of the plant that was fed root tone in its water has not slowed down one bit,the other plants from this strain which were put in 12/12 at the same time are ripening up fast with lots of red hairs, but this one just keeps fatening up,i checked my notes & these were put in 12/12 on 1-27-08, so their a little over 60 days in.

This is the pic posted earlier in the thread where i started to notice the explosive growth rate.



This pic was taken early this morning & shows the continued accelerated growth,the bud growth looks lumpy & abnormal when compared with the rest of the plants from the same strain that were not fed root tone.

The bud has gained allmost 3 inches in girth using a cloth tape & measuring around the outside of the circumference of the bud.

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Okay so tons of pics...begin w/the branch in water....I have trimmed back the yellow leaves and clipped the tips of the leaves left as I do when I clone...

The rest of the experiment was conducted on my main plant...youll see the branches that I scraped the surface then applied the gel....pretty dramatic fattening of the branches I did this to....as well as the pics of the main stalk...these places actually were where drops of the gel landed after application to other parts of plant and I just rubbed them in after...see all that bulging....it looks so freaky it tripps me out..and notice all the places where I had taken clones and their nubs remain I had rubbed those w/the gel as well and now they are all fat.....then the inside of where my plant got crushed during the bend of into the screen see how its bulging all around from the crush from the gel application....trippy ass shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. I showed the top of my screen just to show you that despite all the craziness on the stem and branches the plant looks great!!
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This is the comparison in my experiment with photos:

Here is the seedling before i used the root gel solution:


This is her sis, both planted at the same time, this on emerged a day or two before the above one, and it was never that dark colour or had that problem with the leaves (apart from that slit lol)


Now these are them compared 4 /5 days later, the one on the right is the one i used the solution with.


Here it is up close:


This is my first time growing so this may have happened anyway, but its a bit suprising that it has out grown the other one, when they were both on exactly the same water and lighting throughout. Whats your thoughts?

THERES WAY MORE ON THIS THREAD YOU SHOULD CHECK IT OUT AND SAY THANKS
Root gel and some experiments
i just these pics would spark your interest more :)
 

auto

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alright got my ga3 but which application should i use ?

the stunted plant is about 2 foot with barely any nodes and very small leaves
 

eza82

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GDAY ALL IM BACK ........ BEEN OFF LINE... DUE TO MOVING HOUSE...... ALL IS DONE AND BACK ON LINE !!!
WAS A DIFFICULT MOVE FOR ALL............. BUT ALL PULLED THROUGH...........
WILL UP DATE ON EXPERMIMENTS

IN FLOWER NOW........ Got a shit load of chills too !
 

eza82

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AUTO,
Are you going to folia spray GA3? As an experiment Ive seen i would keep it in the smallest concentrations I would say =15–30 ppm at VEG & FULL BLOOM
Dont use too much youll get boys....
Use 6-Benzylaminopurine, benzyl adenine or BAP as well i think that it could be a winning combo..

IBA - has been intresting... mutatation for most..... getting almost a old knot in a tree.. look. at base of stem.. Will get photos when i remember which box my camera is. Still think it may be worth testing mid veg... as folia spray

NAA (LA FEMMA)- has blowen me away in regard to the way the flowering has come on.. Let me explain.... Applyed 2x dose just on change of light. Or when they had bud formation.....doses 1 week apart. 5ml per ltr with dutch master penatrator as folia spary.
Have 3 subjects outside 2 coped it..... and both after about 10days after application have white pistal hairs the size of my little finger. Base line plant has a few but going brown quick 1/4 the size.
 

eza82

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Yep, I guess I look at it as science sometimes,
but one think I know ..... I have had the best OUTDOOR bud and plants when I do just about nothing.......... little seasol or charlie carp, good soil, good strain & magic......... bigger better.....
So my THEORY IS LESS IS BEST.... so im useing really small EC levels or PPM and for 1-2 doses...
Plants will produce all hormones needed... im just trying to bolster it up a bit....... IT THE TIMEING.... when do the plants produce a particular type of hormone, SO im trying to dose it at the same time the plant will NATRUAL produce it.
So im finding that some will be INEFFECTIVE at times and later on during the grow could BE HIGHLY EFFICENT..... such as NAA, A outdoor smaller plants that got hit during veg have turned on me, looks like mag defficency yellowing etc, but the outdoor 7ft er has just lapped it up because she was just going to flower.
 
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