Padawanbater2
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All ideas and criticisms welcome
How can we more effectively prevent mass shootings?
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Unclebaldrick
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Curtail gun culture. It's a fuzzy thing but sometimes that's just the way it is. Start by making high powered weaponry very difficult to obtain. Curtail advertising in all forms like they did with tobacco. Tobacco used similar imagery to promote the ruggedly individualistic cowboy to convey their meaning.
Sadly, any laws passed will have a diminished immediate effect due to the number of guns already out there and the success of the NRA in promoting gun ownership as a patriotic virtue. But we have to start somewhere.
Repeal the Dickie amendment. Study the problem. It's complicated and the answers are not clear.
I would like to see a law that requires the heirs of gun owners to register their weapons and submit to background checks with criminal penalties for violators. Guns live longer than people.
It will take time. It won't be likely to have immediate results. It will take resolve to succeed.
I am not optimistic.
Sadly, any laws passed will have a diminished immediate effect due to the number of guns already out there and the success of the NRA in promoting gun ownership as a patriotic virtue. But we have to start somewhere.
Repeal the Dickie amendment. Study the problem. It's complicated and the answers are not clear.
I would like to see a law that requires the heirs of gun owners to register their weapons and submit to background checks with criminal penalties for violators. Guns live longer than people.
It will take time. It won't be likely to have immediate results. It will take resolve to succeed.
I am not optimistic.
Padawanbater2
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HOW do we do that? What will it take? How do we make high powered weaponry difficult to obtain?
charface
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I'm really stumped,
I just don't understand what changed.
When I was a kid my friends and I all had guns our parents and grandparents. We didn't attack schools and we weren't exactly church folk.
Still we didn't go mass shooter
I have no answers but until we figure it out I wish we didn't say these guys names on the news so they knew they would get zero recognition for their deeds.
Im not for taking peoples guns away but Im definitely for some rules.
1 no gun until you take some sort of class.
2 no gun without proof you own a safe or trigger locks etc.
3 if that gun gets into the hands of someone who shouldn't have it you lose the right to have guns.
Unless they blow torched it out of your safe or something.
4 mental health is a confusing issue,
But in some cases a dr should be able to temporarily pull your gun card.
I'm stumped
I just don't understand what changed.
When I was a kid my friends and I all had guns our parents and grandparents. We didn't attack schools and we weren't exactly church folk.
Still we didn't go mass shooter
I have no answers but until we figure it out I wish we didn't say these guys names on the news so they knew they would get zero recognition for their deeds.
Im not for taking peoples guns away but Im definitely for some rules.
1 no gun until you take some sort of class.
2 no gun without proof you own a safe or trigger locks etc.
3 if that gun gets into the hands of someone who shouldn't have it you lose the right to have guns.
Unless they blow torched it out of your safe or something.
4 mental health is a confusing issue,
But in some cases a dr should be able to temporarily pull your gun card.
I'm stumped
Unclebaldrick
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Laws.
Fogdog
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We don't need to invent anything. Other countries have shown us the way. Canada has a very good and comprehensive system of laws, bans, restrictions, registration and licensing that are effective and Canadians aren't complaining much.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Canada
As far as the will to enact these laws, it's just a matter of time. Gun homicides and mass shootings will continue until voters start using the issue as a deciding point. From where we were just last year, public opinion has swung hard toward more restrictive gun laws. We have to flush out the politicians who oppose the laws and that will take some time.
I'm guessing another three to five years or about 50,000 dead and several hundred more mass shootings.
Fogdog
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I don't think you are all that stumped. That list of yours is a good start. Gun nuts have had an open field and pretty much have had their way for a long time. Some congressmen need to be retired before we will be able to get much done. With each mass shooting, public opinion hardens in favor of stricter gun laws.
Unclebaldrick
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Laws will not fix this alone. Sometimes society gets some strange undercurrents going that are just social and cannot be legislated. In the early 19th century, American society became susceptible to religious zealotry. Small towns would routinely and frequently have bands of crank religions roll through and dozens or more would take the bait and just glom on. Mormonism began this way and just outlasted the rest until it became 'legit'. In the 20s and 30s, outlaws became cherished and revered - not just because of the Depression (though there is a relationship), it preceded this. It is almost akin to fashion. Part of what we are going through may be related to that in some ineffable way.
Society changes. Fashion and mores as well. For some reason it seems that the concept of the school shooter has gained some traction with outcasts and weirdos. The Vegas shooter really confounds me. Laws won't change this alone. Society has to get good and sick of it the way it got sick of romantic high speed automobile crashes in the middle of the last century. Passing the laws is part of it, it will change the perceptions of those in a position to potentially become mass shooters. This doesn't just happen to anyone but it also defies a clean explanation of who it happens to and why.
We are a mystery. Study the fucking problem.
SSRI's are a red herring being foisted on us by the gun lobby and parroted back by those in their thrall. These fuckers are clever and have hired the best publicists and trend spotters out there. They manipulate public opinion in subtle ways that are hard to just legislate away.
Society changes. Fashion and mores as well. For some reason it seems that the concept of the school shooter has gained some traction with outcasts and weirdos. The Vegas shooter really confounds me. Laws won't change this alone. Society has to get good and sick of it the way it got sick of romantic high speed automobile crashes in the middle of the last century. Passing the laws is part of it, it will change the perceptions of those in a position to potentially become mass shooters. This doesn't just happen to anyone but it also defies a clean explanation of who it happens to and why.
We are a mystery. Study the fucking problem.
SSRI's are a red herring being foisted on us by the gun lobby and parroted back by those in their thrall. These fuckers are clever and have hired the best publicists and trend spotters out there. They manipulate public opinion in subtle ways that are hard to just legislate away.
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Excessive_Toker
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You're also not employed. I'm sure you will make it out of your in laws basement soon. Keep hope alive! Keep hope alive!
Fogdog
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You are a bot.
Excessive_Toker
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Nice of you to join in. Easy on the meth, cuck.
ttystikk
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Retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens has suggested an outright repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
I'm on the fence about it but that's definitely some original thinking.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/27/politics/john-paul-stevens-second-amendment/index.html
I'm on the fence about it but that's definitely some original thinking.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/27/politics/john-paul-stevens-second-amendment/index.html
Bear420
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One Person did it. So others will copy that... It only takes one bad Choice to make a short term problem a long term disaster.
What we need to do is make things easier to ask for help. When a person is having a hard time with anything, People need to have Compassion. Our Mental Health Clinics Started Closing in the Reagan era and continued into what we have now. No Help.
If we made on simple gesture when you see anyone having a bad day stop say something kind, We tend to ignore Persons having a hard time instead of maybe asking, What's sup. Is there something I can do to help.
What we need to do is make things easier to ask for help. When a person is having a hard time with anything, People need to have Compassion. Our Mental Health Clinics Started Closing in the Reagan era and continued into what we have now. No Help.
If we made on simple gesture when you see anyone having a bad day stop say something kind, We tend to ignore Persons having a hard time instead of maybe asking, What's sup. Is there something I can do to help.
blu3bird
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This is how my parents raised me. Help someone if their having difficulties with life. I'll always try to help or talk to or listen to someone if they want me to.
That was a good post Bear420
Another problem I've noticed, is people that do need mental help, sometimes get the bare minimum. I have a buddy that is diagnosed schizophrenic, whenever he goes to the mental hospital, all they do is dope him up and cut him loose in a day or two. The doctors aren't really helping very much, it's almost like they don't really care. My buddy will still be in the middle of his schizophrenic episode talking crazy and the hospital releases him before the medicine kicks in and settles him down. I can't understand why they do that.
Unclebaldrick
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They actually started to close before the Reagan era partially as a reaction to the fact that do many were poorly run and conditions inside were so bad. Jerry Rivers' career really kicked off when he infiltrated one and did a very influential exposé on it.
Rob Roy
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Would you be willing to use a gun against a noncompliant, but peaceful person who disregarded your proposed gun laws?
If so, how does that end gun violence ?