How do I Hide my bill

Thanks for the useful info! The time has come to expand!

Very welcome indeed not get your Girl off welfare!

TaoWolf said:

The power supply in a computer is usually around 600w. A social worker isn't going to know you are running a grow light from just what one 600w puts on the bill... and it's not just someone leaving a computer and/or TV on 24/7. Most TVs now draw more than 600w on a continuous basis.

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Really not sure where you're pulling those figures from The majorioty of really big TV's look to peak out at around 200w in use requirement and well, i have yet to see an instane where the home PC uses the 600w that the PSU is capable of suppying, a computer will normally be running at a hundred watts or so.

You are correct though in that a bill is a just a number and give no indication of grow lights etc, just look at a hairdryer's power usage.

There are reasons for my girlfriend being on assistance that I will no be discussing on this forum and my sole purpose of this question was to help you guys understand my situation! I respect those of you that say get off it because we don't plain for her (us) to be on it forever! There are imagrents comeing into our country that get everythin handed to them on a silver planter And then there's guys like me that work everyday and has to do what he has to do! And if it means my woman being on welly til she finds a job then so be it, I just wanna grow MJ because I enjoy it very much BUT I don wanna get caught! Thanks to you for the positive comments and I think I may get a bigger place and veg with 400w and flower with 600w.........for now'. But my goal is to eventually move up to 1000w

1000w would be money in your pocket man just waitin good luck

Yes I know, I'd get 1P to 1P and and half but I'm scared of someone looking at the hydro bill (case worker) and then asking questions like why is hydro so high! Let's say worker has 10 ppl she looks at and all there hydro is 125-150 every 2 months BUT ours is 350-550! See what I'm getting at'

Tell em you had a fight and she is now renting the room from you with utilities included in the rent. That way the hydro bill is not counted in her welfare dealings

nfld said:

Yes I know, I'd get 1P to 1P and and half but I'm scared of someone looking at the hydro bill (case worker) and then asking questions like why is hydro so high! Let's say worker has 10 ppl she looks at and all there hydro is 125-150 every 2 months BUT ours is 350-550! See what I'm getting at'

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Ok to start with why the F is it kept being referred to as a hydro bill? your electricity bill is an electricity bill, not a hydro bill. Secondly a small electric radiator will use maybe what, 3000w of power, more than you could probably fit in the average bedroom grow. Unless you really make an effort to get looked into, your electricity bill means nothing. I mean hell, if i get cold my back starts to ache something fierce, i have every reason to use such an electric fire.

Honestly I think that prob the most legit. It's approaching winter people are pulling space heaters out now. Fuck it dude you recently purchased a few space heaters.WCS IS THAT THEY TELL YOU TO LOWER YOUR USAGE. If you don't thats when I would thinkthey would start snooping and pooping. I'd say as long as after you mve it's a constant bill your fine. THere are so many reason fir power usage that you could pull em out you ass if ya wanted. Tell em you have nightmares / night terrors and the light on all niight keeps em away at night. Shit dude anything really.

Ok so if I have a three bedroom going with the daily needs PLUS a 600w or a 1000w plus everything that comes with it' eg; fans, air conditioner and such! How much you guys think my electricity bill be?

Lol where are you physically. Kw/hr is different everywhere man

Call your power company or look in your bill divide that by 30 and bam thatsmhow much a day it is.'then divide that by 24 and there is your kw/hr l..... At least I think that's right: SOMEONE PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG

nfld said:

I live with my girlfriend and shes on welfare so there for i have my income and she has welfare giving her money! We want to move into a townhouse beacause my growing in my closet with a 400w light aint cutting it any more. I would like to move into a townhouse and use room in the basement for growing (bigger space) with a 600w to 1000w bulb going BUT she has to show her case worker hydro bill! What can i do???

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A few questions. Shes on welfare for your kids or hers? If they arnt your kids than you dont have to pay for them. You are her room mate when it comes to a caseworker anyway. If you arnt married you are single when it comes to that kind of stuff. You pay your half she pays hers. If the caseworker asks, she pays you cash her share and you pay bill.

Don't you guys have "all inclusive" rentals where you are? I assume you say you are looking for a townhouse... so they aren't like dictating where you have to live.
You rent the Townhouse... you put the hydro in your name. You rent a "room" to your GF for $x a month... "all inclusive"...(make it whatever their max benefit amount is)..so she doesn't have a hydro bill to even submit cause she's not being charged it- and set bills every month in that regard. Run 2X1000 watters and pay your hydro bills with all your profit.

angelsbandit said:

Why don't you support your own girlfriend instead of expecting us to pay for her?

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STFU. You have no idea what situation his girlfriend is in.

cowell said:

Don't you guys have "all inclusive" rentals where you are? I assume you say you are looking for a townhouse... so they aren't like dictating where you have to live.
You rent the Townhouse... you put the hydro in your name. You rent a "room" to your GF for $x a month... "all inclusive"...(make it whatever their max benefit amount is)..so she doesn't have a hydro bill to even submit cause she's not being charged it- and set bills every month in that regard. Run 2X1000 watters and pay your hydro bills with all your profit.

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Ie what I just said. Thank you simon for solidifying it

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Really not sure where you're pulling those figures from The majorioty of really big TV's look to peak out at around 200w in use requirement and well, i have yet to see an instane where the home PC uses the 600w that the PSU is capable of suppying, a computer will normally be running at a hundred watts or so.

You are correct though in that a bill is a just a number and give no indication of grow lights etc, just look at a hairdryer's power usage.

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My old computer has a 400w power supply that was maxed out when I added a newer video card. Recently had to upgrade to a 600w power supply. And sure, hardly anything electronic draws a constant max load. Won't argue about that. But add up the power demand of the computer, the monitor, and any speaker system of any more modern gaming computer and one can easily have a computer that is drawing well over 600w when in use. As far as the other figures, there are plenty of websites that show you the average power usage of common household items - that's where I got the other the figures about TVs. I have an old CRT TV sitting right next to me that uses about 200w... New plasma TVs are getting up in the range of 400w of constant draw not including any sound system. They can pull a lot more power than you'd think. Go look up the listed power requirements of any 45-60" plasma TV (they will vary from ~200w at a minimum to over 400w). Leave a plasma TV on 24/7 or run a 600w grow light for 18/6 and the difference won't be noticeable.

Or here are the power specs for a "really big TV" like a Samsung pn63a760 :

• CNET Labs: Operational power consumption
  509.24 Watt
• CNET Labs: Calibrated power consumption
  416.53 Watt
• CNET Labs: Power Save Mode power consumption
  365.68 Watt
• CNET Labs: Power consumption Stand by / Sleep
  0 Watt
• CNET Labs: Estimated Annual Energy Cost
  91.66 US Dollars
• ENERGY STAR Qualified
  Yes
• Greenpeace policy rating (Oct 2010)
  5.3

Do you not realize that since it is a new place, you will be setting the standard for what the bill should be?
Unless you go in at 400w and then a few months down the road change up to 1000 or add a lot more nothing will ever seem out of the ordinary.

For the first month or so just keep all the lights and power drains on. As you start to use your lights and fans more turn the other stuff off.
The first full months bill will set the standard for the new place, so make sure it's up there.

We live in a three bedroom apartment that's all inclusive witch is perfect but I wanna rent a town house for more space BUT if I get all inclusive townhouse I'm pretty sure the landlord will be asking why my bill is so high! Therefore I wanna pay my own electricity BUT then I have a caseworker to worry about'. I just really don't wanna get caught and yes I have thought about tv's and computers and such things I can say but my friend keeps telling me I'm crazy if I go ahead and have 1000w going because case worker will find it weird that a person on welfare has such I high bill! And how are they gunna pay it

Most small portable heaters are 2k watts, tell them your cold blooded and use the heater a lot. i really dont think they will ask! or tell them your girlfriend is very careless with the ligths/heaters, always leaving them on....