How do we define Secured Borders

ginwilly

ginwilly

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Doer said:
You think these two thing go together?

NSA tracks and stores all voice communication
we are not tracking to the level they can't tell us

If you think there is something wrong, that's politics
when you know something is wrong, that's War
apply the Lie180Degree rule and see
Situation Normal, all Fucked Up
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LOL, yes, simplistic but true.

Doesn't change the fact that our immigration system is fubared.

But then, I'm in the camp that doesn't mind if everyone in Mexico decided to move here, as long as they pass a criminal background check. No murderers and rapists please.

I also don't think immigrants should receive any of our welfare before they become citizens (as long as it doesn't take decades to become one).

I'm also a descendent of an Ellis Island immigrant, so my take may be different.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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Mindmelted said:
Did not take my friend that long.
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That should be another example of our issues. It takes some up to 15 years, some can come within months.

Back in the 90's we recruited 1500 physios from the Philippines. It took about 90 days once the paperwork was started. A lot of them seamlessly became citizens.

We do some stupid things I don't agree with, like business loans that are available for immigrants that are not offered to us. The loopholes in those loans allow them to transfer to family members keeping that loan alive indefinitely.

The couple from Canada I referred to was a systems analyst and her husband a mechanical engineer. It still took over a decade. That's a problem.
 
Doer

Doer

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ginwilly said:
LOL, yes, simplistic but true.

Doesn't change the fact that our immigration system is fubared.

But then, I'm in the camp that doesn't mind if everyone in Mexico decided to move here, as long as they pass a criminal background check. No murderers and rapists please.

I also don't think immigrants should receive any of our welfare before they become citizens (as long as it doesn't take decades to become one).

I'm also a descendent of an Ellis Island immigrant, so my take may be different.
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We came from France in our own ships to ply the slave trade, in 1712.
 
Doer

Doer

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ginwilly said:
That should be another example of our issues. It takes some up to 15 years, some can come within months.

Back in the 90's we recruited 1500 physios from the Philippines. It took about 90 days once the paperwork was started. A lot of them seamlessly became citizens.

We do some stupid things I don't agree with, like business loans that are available for immigrants that are not offered to us. The loopholes in those loans allow them to transfer to family members keeping that loan alive indefinitely.

The couple from Canada I referred to was a systems analyst and her husband a mechanical engineer. It still took over a decade. That's a problem.
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It is just not about individuals. It never has been.
 
theexpress

theexpress

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maybe a big ass fence electrified and a very shallow mote that you have to walk across not swim line with land mines and broken glass on the bottom.. and some.aligaters ro
 
desert dude

desert dude

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ChesusRice said:
I hear the cop out from the right
"We will discuss immigration reform when our Borders are Secure"

So how do we define our borders as secure?
I'm listening
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We currently have 12 to 20 million illegal aliens in the US. I would define "secure" at about 5% of that. It will never be possible to stop all the illegals, but cut it by 95% and I think you can legitimately claim you have the border controlled.

How would you define it?
 
C

ChesusRice

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desert dude said:
We currently have 12 to 20 million illegal aliens in the US. I would define "secure" at about 5% of that. It will never be possible to stop all the illegals, but cut it by 95% and I think you can legitimately claim you have the border controlled.

How would you define it?
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Illegal immigration is currently in negative territory. More are leaving them coming.
How many of those illegal over stayed their visa?
 
Doer

Doer

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ChesusRice said:
Longest unsecured border in the world isn't with Mexico
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And there are a flood of illegal Canuks workers, for ISIL to hide within? That border is much more closed to walking in winter than the southern border is in summer.

The longest unsecured border by far is the coastline.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
We currently have 12 to 20 million illegal aliens in the US. I would define "secure" at about 5% of that. It will never be possible to stop all the illegals, but cut it by 95% and I think you can legitimately claim you have the border controlled.

How would you define it?
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how do you plan to achieve your xenophobic white nationalist goals when half of illegals come here legally?
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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NoDrama said:
Rand was a naturalized US Citizen, she married for it.
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As a vehement anti-Bolshevist, she knew that she would die waiting in line if she applied for permission to permanently relocate to America, although that’s exactly what she intended to do. Temporary tourist visas were easier to land, but only for those who could prove they didn’t plan to settle here. So what did Rand do? She committed perjury. She convinced an American visa officer that she had a fiancé waiting for her in Russia whom she intended to marry after a six-month visit with her relatives in Chicago.

But Rand instead married an American citizen in 1929, gaining a path to citizenship. According to Mimi Gladstein’s biography, Rand timed her wedding before her visa, which she had gotten extended, finally expired.
http://reason.com/archives/2012/02/14/ayn-rand-was-an-illegal-immigrant
 
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