How long do you think conservative politicians will stand up for social positions?

twostrokenut said:
There's always a side. That's why you have firearms sir.
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your firearms are ten times more likely to be used by you ending your own life than to fend off a home (trailer) invasion.

your chances of using those firearms in an insurrection against the united states government is asymptotic, since it is impossible to divide by zero.
 
twostrokenut said:
There's always a side. That's why you have firearms sir.
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I have firearms because as a last resort I want to make sure I'm the last man standing. But my primary objective in life is to rationalize and negotiate. I never immediately jump to pitchforks and brutality.
 
see4 said:
I have firearms because as a last resort I want to make sure I'm the last man standing. But my primary objective in life is to rationalize and negotiate. I never immediately jump to pitchforks and brutality.
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Me neither. Withdrawal of support is very peaceful.
 
twostrokenut said:
Me neither. Withdrawal of support is very peaceful.
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Then by extension I can imagine a political process involving not identification of party affiliation but rather the ideas we bring to the table. Sticking with the sentimental idea of conservatism and liberalism within a democracy.
 
see4 said:
Then by extension I can imagine a political process involving not identification of party affiliation but rather the ideas we bring to the table. Sticking with the sentimental idea of conservatism and liberalism within a democracy.
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Identity politics are dead. Imagine the ideas are being brought to the table within a Republic, and now we are being honest.
 
twostrokenut said:
Identity politics are dead. Imagine the ideas are being brought to the table within a Republic, and now we are being honest.
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I disagree, and I think you are providing a false equivalency. You are equating the rhetoric of the right to the rhetoric of the left. They are not equal, not by a long shot.
 
see4 said:
I disagree, and I think you are providing a false equivalency. You are equating the rhetoric of the right to the rhetoric of the left. They are not equal, not by a long shot.
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I am merely suggesting the right and left have many different names and degrees and that a center position is quite the unicorn. Nothing wrong with picturing the future though.
 
twostrokenut said:
I am merely suggesting the right and left have many different names and degrees and that a center position is quite the unicorn. Nothing wrong with picturing the future though.
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Why not strive for the "unicorn", I'd say we had something much closer to a political unicorn 20+ years ago and more than we do today. Media and money out of politics is a good step in the right direction. A liberal view on that would be to reverse Citizen's United. Hillary wants to reverse that, Trump does not. Today's Democrats are more likely to implement regulations on media in politics than today's Republicans.

We need to work in baby steps not in a revolution. A revolution is not necessary, we aren't on the brink of anything except for things like global warming and nuclear war. We need to focus on diplomacy and environment and social protections.
 
We are where we are today. There seem to be two unicorns. One way over there and one way on the other side. That's not what I would like to see, but it's the truth. I would just like to see honesty in labels. On a side note, how can money ever be out of politics when politicians can simply write bonds and deposit them for currency, or were you talking about something more specific?
 
twostrokenut said:
We are where we are today. There seem to be two unicorns. One way over there and one way on the other side. That's not what I would like to see, but it's the truth. I would just like to see honesty in labels. On a side note, how can money ever be out of politics when politicians can simply write bonds and deposit them for currency, or were you talking about something more specific?
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jesus christ, do you have anything besides federal reserve conspiracies and birtherism?
 
UncleBuck said:
jesus christ, do you have anything besides federal reserve conspiracies and birtherism?
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I have one Federal Reserve failure and many offshoot foundational cracks that stem from that failure. Call it a conspiracy if you like, it's merely ignorance, if not outright Gross Negligence on the politicians that know better. No excuse though for not knowing your job. The Fed's mission statement is to maintain the value of the dollar and Congress is charged with the power of the purse. It's like your job of making french fries, you say you don't know how to make them, yet you are paid to do so. It's not a conspiracy, its just that you are either too lazy to make fries or don't care to learn to make fries because you have no incentive to change either way .

Because ya know, the fries are still getting made and you're still getting paid.

That's all about to change though.
 
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see4 said:
Why not a democracy mute of political affiliation but rather guidelines based on reason and logic, for the greater good of society? Why the bucket labels?

Why not the Centrist and Independent parties if we're stuck on labels?
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Using democracy and "reason and logic" in the same sentence and then tossing in "for the greater good of society" is quite an incongruent word salad you've made.

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Fogdog said:
Libertarians are just Republicans who have lost touch with any shred of reality.
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Except, you're wrong, again.

Both Democrats and Republicans want a central coercive authority, a real libertarian does not.

So you should have said Democrats and Republicans are alike because the evidence, "reality", says they are.

You're welcome.
 
londonfog said:
Sorry you are not allowed to own a firearm, but the eggs and bacon sounds delicious as a choice for breakfast. See if they will also provide you with some wheat toast and strawberry preserves. No coffee, you know how that gets you all amped up and then you will lose that day-room time. Go back to drinking your butter milk
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UncleBuck said:
your firearms are ten times more likely to be used by you ending your own life than to fend off a home (trailer) invasion.

your chances of using those firearms in an insurrection against the united states government is asymptotic, since it is impossible to divide by zero.
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Your post provides opportunity to examine your duplicity and cognitive dissonance based "thoughts".

You and I have zero right to forcibly impose on others. Therefore a collection of people, let's call them voters. all of whom have zero right to impose on others would still give a sum of zero.

Therefore, democracy, is illegitimate. I win, you lose, Poopy Pants.
 
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