How much is realistic?

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chitownsmoking

Guest
first and foremost gentics is the most important contributing factor to yield. then comes light. some indicas will yiled huge and some not so big same is true with sativas. generaly hybrids yeaild and do the best under w/e light.
 

robert 14617

Well-Known Member
first and foremost gentics is the most important contributing factor to yield. then comes light. some indicas will yiled huge and some not so big same is true with sativas. generaly hybrids yeaild and do the best under w/e light.


what did you just say ,I'm more confused now then when i woke up this morning:shock:
 

Delusional

Well-Known Member
Well thats all your going to get for that STUPID question

^ This


LOL never gets old...

"OMG HOW MUCH WILL I GET?"

uh.... how about you grow it then find out eh? :)

WAY too many factors involved in order to answer this question. Yet it never stops them from asking anyways....... lol
 

robert 14617

Well-Known Member
How much will I yield?
How much will I yield?
How much will I yield?
"I have XXX watts...how much will I yield?" or "How can I get bigger yields?"

A common inquiry. From ambitious new gardeners and for good reason too. But, this is really a loaded question that doesn't have a definite answer. It seems one of the first assumptions by new gardeners is that loads of light automatically equals loads of buds. Unfortunately, it's just not that simple. Yield is equally contingent on a number of factors; light, temperature, humidity, water, nutrients, CO2/ventilation, genetics, etc. Think of it as an engine, with each factor of cultivation representing a single piston, sure the engine will run if some of the cylinders are misfiring or not firing at all, but to yield the most power from that engine, all cylinders must be firing in sync and at maximum capacity.

Temperature. Most cannabis plants will slow or cease growth when temp's get above 85F, or below 65f. Optimal lights-on temp for most strains is about 72-78F, with 5-10 degrees cooler during the dark period being a good rule of thumb.

Humidity. Cannabis does best around 45%-55% RH (relative humidity).
During veg and late flower, however letting it drop lower during the final two weeks of flower is advised, as it will help prevent mould problems.

Water/moisture. Cannabis generally doesn't like "wet feet", or a soggy environment, so it's very important to have a fast draining soil/soil-less mix (or well aerated solution in a hydro garden). Wet or damp conditions can also lead to mould problems during flowering.

Nutrients. Cannabis will require a variety of nutrients at varying NPK ratios during its existence. NPK stand for; nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), and potassium (K)-the three major nutrients used by plants. Simply put, your plants will need a fertilizer with more N than P and K during vegetative growth and fertilizer with more P than N and K during flowering. Using any well-known quality fertilizer applied per instruction @ ½ strength is a good place to start. Organic, chemical, or somewhere in-between is another choice to be made and is a totally personal one. There is a plethora of fertilizers on the market, but the best fertilizer is the one that's used properly.

CO2/ventilation. Plants require CO2. There is sufficient CO2 in our atmosphere to support massive bud growth, but when growing inside you must either have adequate ventilation (the volume of the room exhausted at least once/5 minutes) to ensure that there is a constant supply of fresh, CO2 enriched air or one must have supplemental CO2, which requires higher temp's and more nutrients to be utilized effectively.

Light. Typically, the more the merrier, but more light will create stronger water, nutrient, and CO2 demands on the plants. You must also have the proper spectrum of lighting as well as a means of efficiently reflecting as much of the light as possible into the garden's canopy. The norm is to use more bluish light (Metal Halide, cool-white fluorescents) for vegetative growth and more reddish (High Pressure sodium, warm fluoro's) light for flowering. Though it's possible to grow great buds under fluorescent lighting and a few will even argue their superiority to HID's, most indoor growers use High Intensity Discharge lights such as MH and HPS, and many use fluoro's for vegetative growth and HPS for flowering. It's very important to have the light as physically close to the canopy as possible without burning the foliage and still allowing for even coverage.Many new growers believe that "Droppin the light" closer to the plant will be beneficial. Besides heat stress, the bulb puts out radiant energy that causes leaf burn (Note it is possible to complete a grow using just HPS or MH)

Genetics. Its an easily overlooked factor. Some strains simply have the potential to yield more than others. Having a heavy-yielding strain doesn't automatically equal big yields, either. It only means that the potential for heavy yields is there. The grower must provide the optimum environment for that particular strain in order for it to be able to reach it's yield potential, and each strain has slightly unique requirements. Also, within a strain there are usually several phenotypes, each of which will exhibit unique characteristics which is to say that some pheno's of a particular strain will weigh more than others.

Plant/root/container size. Obviously, the longer a plant is veg'd, the bigger it will get and the more it will yield. Almost always overlooked because they're unseen are the roots. Root mass is directly related to bud production. Simply put, the more roots you have the more bud you will (potentially) have. Be sure to always allow plenty of space for the roots to grow and spread out, even more-so in soil A general rule of thumb is 1 gallon of soil for every foot of plant height.

System.
Scrog/Sog/Vertical gardens
These systems have a higher g/w/time yield than comparable large plant system over the same time period.

Grower's skill. Growers can add yield by: using additives (like B1, kelp, enzymes), foliar feeding, and topping/FIM/

In addition. Tricks like keeping nutrients and the air temps warm during night cycle can help final yield. Although it's a topic of hot debate, it's generally thought that any system that supplies the roots with maximum oxygen (aeroponics) would outperform a system that restricts 02 input such as (soil).
So, as you can see there's much more to yield than throwing some plants under tons of light with tons of nutes. Before one becomes too concerned with yield, one must first learn how to grow plants well, learn how to "listen" to the plants and give them just what they need. It's best to start with simpler methods, in fact, I think the simpler method is always the better one. Learn how to grow strong, healthy, fast-growing plants and the yields will come.
 
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chitownsmoking

Guest
i isad genetics is the biggest contributing factor on yiled. ever see on here how some people pull off big ass yields with only a few clfs and others dont pull of has much useing better lights? purer indicas need less light to yield well but some will yield better then others. big ass sativas need more light to yield well but some will yield more then others. so it boils down to genetics. how am i wrong here?
 

pinkus

New Member
Easy: just take the maximum yield for the strain per square meter, then compare the amount of space you have to the quoted yield. Take into account your inexperience, lack of enough light, circulation etc. Then take into account that you have to ask this question. Then be thankful for what you end up with :peace:

really, make it through a few grows, then start thinking yields.

I'll plus rep for the general abuse you'll take in this thread. Stick with it and you'll get good yields....eventually :eyesmoke:
 

pinkus

New Member
You live in a fools pardise....LUCKY!!

Hey i plus repped him :hump: the only thing any of us can do is look at the total possible yield. That is given we know the strain and usually only have inflated quotes for yield (if we purchased the beans). So even in perfect situations with perfect grows it probably won't match the hype.

If you've grown a strain and know what it can yield in a given situation, then you can project yield. But even then....things happen. Ask Boneman, I practically cryed when the Rojo Haze went south :cry: Luckily he seems to have some backup




I Thought Stoners Were A Kind And Generous People.....
 

Ganjaglutin

New Member
No I Understand That. But People On Rollitup Practically Crucify Newbies When They Ask This Question. I'd Just Say...


It's Impossible To Correctly Geuss.
 

Delusional

Well-Known Member
he was given that answer...... and this is what he had to say...

well that's not what I wanna hear. Can someone else answer?

I am not surprised he's being crucified. You tell these "noobs" they can't ask that question and they get butthurt when they're not given an answer in pounds....... lol
 

Defcon9

Well-Known Member
you can't get a real grasp on what you will get. say maybe a half oz a plant on your first grow. really depends do you start to flower at a half foot or four feet. Same plat to hugely different yeilds. Try and find out.
 

Captn

Well-Known Member
Expect Nothing And Be Happy With That Isnt Exactly A Good Choice Of Words To Someone Whos New To Growing Weed.
I'm with you, man. It seems sometimes people are just looking for a reason to cop an attitude. I mean, if you don't want to answer, you don't have to, there's no need to be rude. And I'll bet most people, from noobs to pros, have this question in the backs of their minds. Some of the noobs just voice it, lol.
 

Ganjaglutin

New Member
"I mean, if you don't want to answer, you don't have to"


Oh They Want To Answer. If They Didnt They Wouldn't. It's All About Feeling Superior. A Friendly, You Cant Tell How Much You'll Get, Isnt An Option.
 

pinkus

New Member
I think telling him to think out his questions isn't rude, just good advise here @RIU. He got some answers, some with attitude, some sincere, some really rude. It would be nice if people were more civil towards each other in society in general, but usually people are to deeply rooted in their own perspective. they don't realize they are being counterproductive. Here people tend to forget that without exception at some point, they asked the same question.
 

Defcon9

Well-Known Member
It's sad to see how mean people can be here when we all have a common goal. Hell, we're all on the same team here. Although "That's not the answer I want" is kinda starting it off. If I go ask my boss to give me a $25,000 a year raise and he says no I don't answer with that's not what I want to hear tell me yes. I think a little bit of kindness on both sides would be a lot more productive. Read almost any thread and you'd know it comes down to technique, set up, strain, etc. In all fairness, I think there is a sticky somewhere telling people, esp. noobs not to ask that wuestion. I could be wrong.

What makes it even worse, it's bag weed!!! No offence, but nobody knows what it even is! It could be some crazy ass pure sativa that grows huge or it could be some hermie or or an indica, who knows??? If it was I have a White Widow under a 400W HPS with blah blah blah, I start flowering at 2 feet etc then maybe there is a guide line that we could sort of give a range on. We might be able to say hey you might get from 0.5 Oz on your first grow but when you get better you can get up to 2.5oz. But with unknow genetics, no idea on grow set up, level of experiance (well we know he's new) it's near impossible to say. The only real answer is try and see what happens and good luck. If you want advise ask and keep us informed. Other than that we really don't know.

Bottom line though is, there is no need to get nasty on either side. Don't ask a question and then cop attitude to those that answer. djones12 don't cop attitude because it's not the answer you want. look at the trouble it makes, just find a nicer way to ask for a second opinion, like, thanks for the help, does anyone else have any ideas? Don't get upset just keep on moving. It was a reasonable answer you got even if it's not what you wanted.

Good luck with your grow and be happy with what you get and remember your next grow you should get more.
 

robert 14617

Well-Known Member
"I mean, if you don't want to answer, you don't have to"


Oh They Want To Answer. If They Didnt They Wouldn't. It's All About Feeling Superior. A Friendly, You Cant Tell How Much You'll Get, Isnt An Option.

i don't think posting the FAQ's well written ,(you cant tell how much you'll get) how much will i yield statement is rude it just spells out how many variables there are and no one can give that answer
 
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