How much protection do you think the new rulings give us?

DankGrower said:

Yes according to the law that I read you can have your delivery service so long as it only delivers to Patients you are the named care giver for under the MMMJ program. The rest of the idea would be illegal or at least as of yet undefined and would likely come under heavy fire quite quickly

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So...no cannabis leaf...I really want the leaf..

bob harris said:

So...no cannabis leaf...I really want the leaf..

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Well Bob from what I have read in the newest bill our law makers are currently reviewing putting the Cannabis leaf, flower, seed or any representation of the plant in any fashion on your signage would get you a heavy fine 500-2500 dollars ( amounts were not defined in all sections but I do believe this was one), you would be closed until you put up a sign without those to be approved by state inspector ( when they get around to sending an inspector by), and they would give you up to 180 days in time out. I am not such a fan of time out. How about you ?

DankGrower said:

Well Bob from what I have read in the newest bill our law makers are currently reviewing putting the Cannabis leaf, flower, seed or any representation of the plant in any fashion on your signage would get you a heavy fine 500-2500 dollars ( amounts were not defined in all sections but I do believe this was one), you would be closed until you put up a sign without those to be approved by state inspector ( when they get around to sending an inspector by), and they would give you up to 180 days in time out. I am not such a fan of time out. How about you ?

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Time out? No, no I think they would just fine me...I've been fined before..I"m pretty sure they'd just fine me....

bob harris said:

Time out? No, no I think they would just fine me...I've been fined before..I"m pretty sure they'd just fine me....

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I bet that would have a lot to do with if you had the respect to put a Bandana over your face and wear sunglasses when the news crews came to interview you about your cutting edge delivery service and the hardships "The Man" was trying to put on you for being so flagrant.

DankGrower said:

I bet that would have a lot to do with if you had the respect to put a Bandana over your face and wear sunglasses when the news crews came to interview you about your cutting edge delivery service and the hardships "The Man" was trying to put on you for being so flagrant.

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Do you mean that drawing attention to myself is a bad idea? I mean all the dispensaries had a pot leaf....
Are you saying that being flagrant about my medical cannabis rights actually hurts the whole program?

Who would have thought?

You mean I should respect the couple of million voters that didn't plan on using the program, but voted it in out of compassion for sick people?

Wowzers..this is enlightening...

bob harris said:

I'm not showing my ignorance at all. I mean..that's no problem, right? sure, I'd be an asshole...but no one could mess with me..because the law...as written..allows delivery, right?

I mean..I wouldn't do that. But someone would..lots of crazy catz out there.

look how well we handled dispensaries...


No problems with implementation..no problems at all....the law as written is crystal clear.

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in an essense, basically, but talk about zero cooth or tact...
ofcourse their are I's to be dotted and T's to be crossed.

DankGrower said:

Yes according to the law that I read you can have your delivery service so long as it only delivers to Patients you are the named care giver for under the MMMJ program. The rest of the idea would be illegal or at least as of yet undefined and would likely come under heavy fire quite quickly

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where does it say a CG MUST only work with those Patients they are connected to via the Registry Only? Fact is it does not say that.

As a CG, a CG can assist "A Patient", not the assigned and connected patient, or the signed and registered only patient, but it states a CG may assist A Patient, in the Medical Use of Marihuana". so how does that tie to only the assigned Pt?


Sorry it doesn't.

DankGrower said:

What law are you reading. The one I voted for in Michigan was pretty vague and wide open lacking definition and leaving nothing but room for interpretation to be spun or added via the standard law amending practices which do not require a vote of the general public. I am glad the courts have held up the law as it is for the time being however I have also saw a lot of those judges nearly begging our law makers to add better definition to the law so they have guide lines and rules to uphold.

Here is what the law does say about what cg and pt my do and it is nothing at all like what you claim it to be. Period. End of story. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(mbx4kf554btyxe55qdkpljfr))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-333-26424

As for visiting PT The law is also clear on this and they are offered NO protections under the law. Please get off your soap box sir it is full of manure just like you.

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this bold part is 100% incorrect.

A visiting Patient is protected just as a Pt of the state of Mi is, that is to say, a Visiting patient has the right to use a section 8 defense. not being a Michigan Resident, they can not be Registered in the state, and can not utilize a section 4 defense, but they Absolutely get the same right to use the section 8 defense.

DankGrower said:

Well Bob from what I have read in the newest bill our law makers are currently reviewing putting the Cannabis leaf, flower, seed or any representation of the plant in any fashion on your signage would get you a heavy fine 500-2500 dollars ( amounts were not defined in all sections but I do believe this was one), you would be closed until you put up a sign without those to be approved by state inspector ( when they get around to sending an inspector by), and they would give you up to 180 days in time out. I am not such a fan of time out. How about you ?

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a big old pot leaf would be showing such little tact, but thats is what is expected from the fool. zero tact.

the new bill does not really matter until it is passed. so anything based of it would be speculative at best right now.

but currently, ya bob, fly your big old tactless pot leaf.

bob harris said:

Do you mean that drawing attention to myself is a bad idea? I mean all the dispensaries had a pot leaf....
Are you saying that being flagrant about my medical cannabis rights actually hurts the whole program?

Who would have thought?

You mean I should respect the couple of million voters that didn't plan on using the program, but voted it in out of compassion for sick people?

Wowzers..this is enlightening...

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ive seen quite a few that didnt have any cannabis leafs on them. No everyone was a bad apple... as bob would like you to believe.

bob harris said:

Do you mean that drawing attention to myself is a bad idea? I mean all the dispensaries had a pot leaf....
Are you saying that being flagrant about my medical cannabis rights actually hurts the whole program?

Who would have thought?

You mean I should respect the couple of million voters that didn't plan on using the program, but voted it in out of compassion for sick people?

Wowzers..this is enlightening...

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as we watch budwieser and viagra and chantex commercias all day long.

Yes, Advertising of any the medical institutions is Way out of control. No arguments here.

Timmahh said:

where does it say a CG MUST only work with those Patients they are connected to via the Registry Only? Fact is it does not say that.

As a CG, a CG can assist "A Patient", not the assigned and connected patient, or the signed and registered only patient, but it states a CG may assist A Patient, in the Medical Use of Marihuana". so how does that tie to only the assigned Pt?


Sorry it doesn't.

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Since you were not able to look this up yourself I will help.

333.26424 Qualifying patient or primary caregiver; arrest, prosecution, or penalty prohibited; conditions; presumption; compensation; physician subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty prohibited; marihuana paraphernalia; person in presence or vicinity to medical use of marihuana; registry identification issued outside of department; sale of marihuana as felony; penalty.

Sec. 4. (a) A qualifying patient who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, provided that the qualifying patient possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana, and, if the qualifying patient has not specified that a primary caregiver will be allowed under state law to cultivate marihuana for the qualifying patient, 12 marihuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility. Any incidental amount of seeds, stalks, and unusable roots shall also be allowed under state law and shall not be included in this amount.
(b) A primary caregiver who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for assisting a qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process with the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, provided that the primary caregiver possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed:
(1) 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana for each qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process; and
(2) for each registered qualifying patient who has specified that the primary caregiver will be allowed under state law to cultivate marihuana for the qualifying patient, 12 marihuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility; and
(3) any incidental amount of seeds, stalks, and unusable roots.

DankGrower said:

Since you were not able to look this up yourself I will help.

333.26424 Qualifying patient or primary caregiver; arrest, prosecution, or penalty prohibited; conditions; presumption; compensation; physician subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty prohibited; marihuana paraphernalia; person in presence or vicinity to medical use of marihuana; registry identification issued outside of department; sale of marihuana as felony; penalty.

4. Protections for the Medical Use of Marihuana.

Sec. 4. (a) A qualifying patient who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, provided that the qualifying patient possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana, and, if the qualifying patient has not specified that a primary caregiver will be allowed under state law to cultivate marihuana for the qualifying patient, 12 marihuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility. Any incidental amount of seeds, stalks, and unusable roots shall also be allowed under state law and shall not be included in this amount.
(b) A primary caregiver who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for assisting a qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process with the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, provided that the primary caregiver possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed:
(1) 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana for each qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process; and
(2) for each registered qualifying patient who has specified that the primary caregiver will be allowed under state law to cultivate marihuana for the qualifying patient, 12 marihuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility; and
(3) any incidental amount of seeds, stalks, and unusable roots.

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that bold line simply states both parties must be part of the Registry. it does not say the CG can only help the ASSIGNED Pt, but A Patient that is also a registry participant.

Timmahh said:

this bold part is 100% incorrect.

A visiting Patient is protected just as a Pt of the state of Mi is, that is to say, a Visiting patient has the right to use a section 8 defense. not being a Michigan Resident, they can not be Registered in the state, and can not utilize a section 4 defense, but they Absolutely get the same right to use the section 8 defense.

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I see this one was missing also. The law says and I quote MCL 333.26430 of Initiated Law 1 of 2008

(j) A registry identification card, or its equivalent, that is issued under the laws of another state, district, territory, commonwealth, or insular possession of the United States that allows the medical use of marihuana by a visiting qualifying patient, or to allow a person to assist with a visiting qualifying patient's medical use of marihuana, shall have the same force and effect as a registry identification card issued by the department.

No states at this time allow visiting patients to posses or use medical marijuana therefore we also do not allow it for them.

now, a Non Registered by Dr Recommended Pt was upheld by the MSC. so that could indeed create a situation that may need further clarification. But as the Act is written, and worded, currently a CG can help A Patient currently on the Registry.

they key is the limits and being on the registry. im a cg of 2 pts, and i myself am a pt. I can hold 5 oz on hand for my registered pt, and 2.5 for my personal use. So i can not have more than 7.5 oz at any given point, in my possession. with that, i can easily and legally assist A Patient on the registry with medical use.

any state that allows the use of a Drs recommendation, like Cali, Wa, Oregon, ect, all allow for a visiting patient, as all they need is the Dr Rec in that state to be a visiting patient, therefore allowed and protected under a section 8 defense here in Michigan.

Timmahh said:

that bold line simply states both parties must be part of the Registry. it does not say the CG can only help the ASSIGNED Pt, but A Patient that is also a registry participant.

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NO it says to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process with the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act.

they must be connected as the law says

one registry in the state, there for if you are on the state registry, you are on the same registry, thus connected.

if there was a registry for Self Growing Pts only, and one for Minors, and one for CGs with Assigned Pts that have plant possession, and one for CGs with plant Possession of their assigned patients, I could buy that argument.

but we clearly only have One registry in the state, and if you are on it, you are connected to every other registrant on it.

Timmahh said:

one registry in the state, there for if you are on the state registry, you are on the same registry, thus connected.

if there was a registry for Self Growing Pts only, and one for Minors, and one for CGs with Assigned Pts that have plant possession, and one for CGs with plant Possession of their assigned patients, I could buy that argument.

but we clearly only have One registry in the state, and if you are on it, you are connected to every other registrant on it.

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Thats cool if you want to think it im all done debating with people who refuse to read the law as written not as you want it to read. I normally say nothing in forums and laugh and lurk. Back to lurking I hope you never have to present that defense in court it wont hold water even in the MSC . I was not trying to attack you I was trying to help you understand the law does not say what you want it to at this time.

Timmahh said:

in an essense, basically, but talk about zero cooth or tact...
ofcourse their are I's to be dotted and T's to be crossed.

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But we can't touch one word in the act..you said so.

Timmahh said:

ive seen quite a few that didnt have any cannabis leafs on them. No everyone was a bad apple... as bob would like you to believe.

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that's my point...not everyone has to be a bad apple to piss off the millions of non users that voted in the act.