How to get that "Kick"?

Hey all.

How can a grower get that "kick" which makes the bud's buzz better than the others? Do you know what I'm talking about?? That "pop".

This is the third try with the White Russian. The previous two rows I've only used Advanced Nutrients and Kool Bloom.

These here have been flowering since 5/29 - about 5 weeks. So I've got time to experiment.

They are in Fox Farm Ocean Forest under a 1000 Watter. The temp is around 84 F. I haven't given these any nutes with the exception of Sensi Grow and Voodoo Juice when transplanted into these pots from clone. That was 6 weeks or so before flowering started.

Any comments???

there is no secret besides good genetics and experience.

people keep growing same seeds from same breeders and gems are quite rare. you have to go through a lot of seeds to find the winning genetics if you dont have access to clones.

Yep genetics and experience. Make sure you harvest at the right time and harvest/trim and cure correctly and you will have that kick everytime

Thanks for the comments.

I'm not sure what people mean exactly when mentioning "Genetics". I order good seeds. These White Russians are Serious Seeds "genetics". You can see from the pics - five weeks and looking good. I've got certain parts down pretty good.

I've got everything going except the kick. The best stuff I've grown was the very first grow long ago; Dutch Passion's, White Widow, harvested exactly after the weeks recommended by Dutch Passion, to the day. That stuff was downright evil. But that was harvested do to panic instead of skill. LOL Ever since - I've tried looking at the mushroom heads for amber/clouds and hairs to no avail.

The last batch of White Russian; I harvested one tree at nine weeks and one tree at ten weeks and one tree at eleven weeks. I only had the three trees. I've been letting it dry-out or "Cure" for over a month. The buds did poof out a lot from week nine to eleven so I think week nine and ten could have been harvested too soon. I'm going try the testing this weekend. But previous grows of White Russian I've let flower for 14 weeks and beyond. The stuff harvested 14 weeks and beyond had the cat piss smell. The "sweet" smells of the 'Russian were long over. This most current harvest smeeled of cat piss/sweet mix with a lean to the cat piss.

I've tried other strategies with other varieties and combinations of ferts. As you can see from the pics above Fox Farm's, Ocean Forrest does a good job without ferts.

I have a feeling it's the point of harvest that's the problem. Do you have any other clues cause I hate wasting time trying to master this game.

These White Russian started 12-12 on 5/29; six weeks and four days or so.

Any comments? I am trying to get this perfect.

even tho you bought seeds doesnt mean that it will be great. there are many phenos in a certain strain that not all will have that "kick" that you are seeking. like above posts mentioned how strong your shit is depends mostly on genetics and also if you have sensimilla or not. when plants are pollinated they direct energy towards seed production and that will affect potency as well

people keep growing same seeds from same breeders and gems are quite rare. you have to go through a lot of seeds to find the winning genetics if you dont have access to clones.

i approve of this message, seeds are like siblings yeah you have the same parents and all but some will be bench warmers some Michael Jordan

White Russian ain't the same it was like before 01

Gee,

Thanks for the comment. Sure, it is seedless. What exactly do you mean when discussing "phenos " and "genetics" and how can this information be used when cloning?

For example, say out of planting 10 seeds, 10 females are born. How can the grower tell which plant is best to clone, prior to harvesting, curing and testing? The plant is gone by the testing phase. Clone all the plants in the batch as if in a controlled study?

Are you implying some seed packs will be better than others even from the same manufacture? Or is it all determined by exact plant and a crap shoot every time?

The only way to maintain order is to rely on the manufactures product description and timing recommendations.

Maybe I should just give up on this strain and try another strain??

Thanks for all the comments!!

Dang it is a crap shoot until the right plant comes along, eh??? Then keep that clone going. LOL

Thanks!!!!! At least I know now.

Riddle me this. I can get clones but to me they are unknown. If I risk it and buy clones and continue to clone from that plant, will the consistency be there?

rmax said:

Gee,

Thanks for the comment. Sure, it is seedless. What exactly do you mean when discussing "phenos " and "genetics" and how can this information be used when cloning?

For example, say out of planting 10 seeds, 10 females are born. How can the grower tell which plant is best to clone, prior to harvesting, curing and testing? The plant is gone by the testing phase. Clone all the plants in the batch as if in a controlled study?

Are you implying some seed packs will be better than others even from the same manufacture? Or is it all determined by exact plant and a crap shoot every time?

The only way to maintain order is to rely on the manufactures product description and timing recommendations.

Maybe I should just give up on this strain and try another strain??

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like symbiote mentioned, think "genetics and phenos" are like a family with say 3 or 4 kids. these kids will have the traits and genes from both parents. only thing is they will not be exactly like the parents. some will be taller some shorter, some might have blonde hair while another might have brown hair. so you see just because you bought your genetics doesnt mean you will end up with a plant exactly like what the breeder describes. you might have to germ 2 or 3 packs before you can find that special gem. hope this helps man

No grower can tell, they can assume! I've had plants that didn't look so hot produce a better product than plants with better vigor, resin production, and stronger smells. The only way to truly tell which is best is to smoke the buds so keep clones of each them until

Thanks for the clarifications. This was really helpful.

This White Russian I've got going is all from the same F'in clone. So it'll never have that "kick".

I'll need to find that elusive plant and once I do, keep on cloning it to the bitter end.

This is a pic of some of the dried from the last go around I mentioned. That bright orange one along the top went the eleven weeks.

Here are a few pics.

These are 58 days or so flowering.

rmax said:

Gee,

Thanks for the comment. Sure, it is seedless. What exactly do you mean when discussing "phenos " and "genetics" and how can this information be used when cloning?

For example, say out of planting 10 seeds, 10 females are born. How can the grower tell which plant is best to clone, prior to harvesting, curing and testing? The plant is gone by the testing phase. Clone all the plants in the batch as if in a controlled study?

Are you implying some seed packs will be better than others even from the same manufacture? Or is it all determined by exact plant and a crap shoot every time?

The only way to maintain order is to rely on the manufactures product description and timing recommendations.

Maybe I should just give up on this strain and try another strain??

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I've only really started to try and get some top genetics myself , before hand I just grew out a couple of seeds.
However this time round I bought 20 barneys Acapulco gold, and germed them all , and the variations where very obvious. Which lead me to the path of picking what would be the best genetics.
Ideally if I could have I would have took cuttings off them all and kept them all , however just didnt want all that many plants , as I always like to take 3-4 cutting from a plant at a time incase something goes wrong.

So I had to select the best ones, prior to ever flowering the strain which was hard, so I looked for plants that had loads off root growth, vigourouse plant growth, nice thick stem's, and close internode spacing. Also there was one in particular that smelled very skunky while in veg , which is always a good sign imo^^

From this tho I selected 4 viable mothers.

Mother 1 - very strong grower , with the tightest internodes you could imagine , this is the smelly bitch I was talking about earlier.

Mother 2 - Has such vigourouse growth .

Mother 3 - Average

Mother 4 - very sqwaty indica pheno compared to the rest, and fat ass budd's at week 5 , not to mention some weird leaves with bud growing out them .

So I'll need to take this all into account , but still need to wait till I harvested/cured the stuff so I can compare yield/taste etc.

From this I will get the ideal genetics I want.

If this all goes acording to plan the idea is say you flower 20 fresh seeds , the genetics can vary , so yield per plant can vary, lets just say those 20 seeds once flowered harvested you 1 lbs.

As I said yield per plant varied, but the best plant that you took cutting off of for your mother yielded you 2 ounce. The idea would be if you put 20 cutting of that plant in the same room with same conditions you would expect to achieve something closer to 2 pounds instead of a pound..

Thats the theory anyway.

Thoughts on these. 63 +/- days flowering right now.

Thoughts on pulling these trees?

May 29th.

They're not ready. Note the abundance of white pistils. When the majority are red/orange they should be ready. Looks to be another 2 or 3 weeks.
Fred

U would clone the plants before u flower them. After it's done u choose the clone from the best stuff to be a mother. That is how u keep the best one going. U also need to lower ur temps. 70-75 degrees will make a difference. U r gonna have airy buds at those temps.

Thanks for the comments. I kinda figured two/three more weeks.

These plants were all from clones. I'm ending this line and starting from scratch..

I got some Blueberry, Super Lemon Haze and Mazar Kush. 3 seeds of each line. So far, one is on the ropes. Look and see:

I'll clone all the females and keep track of which is the best of each line. I'll then keep clones from the best going over time.

You're right about the temps but I live in a small apartment. I can't have loud fans going, the neighbors might bitch. I hate this apartment living.

The other day I came home. The maintenance guy was changing the blinds in the bedroom. He was doing this right over some plants I had in front of that window catching rays. No privacy. My anonymity is gone. I've got the central air going constantly. My electric bill is sky high. LOL