How to let the athiest know our God is real

New Age United

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chemphlegm said:
where exactly did I say "raping little kids?"

1) Genesis 6:1-5
those pesky nephilim, horny angels
"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days — and also afterward — when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown." Genesis 6:4

They are called the God’s “host of heaven” who surround his throne (1Kings 22:19)
They are called Watchers (Daniel 4:13, 17, 24)
They are called Holy Ones (Daniel 4:13, 17, 24)
They are called angels (Hebrews 2:2; Psalm 148:1-2)
They are called God’s “divine council” (Psalm 82:1)
Sometimes they are called “assembly of the holy ones” (Psalm 89:5)
They are even called “gods” at times (Psalm 82:1, 6; 89:6)
Sometimes, all these terms are used together to make the point (Psalm 89:5-8)
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"Fuck human children" were your exact words, see it's not right to construe people's words. I was wrong by assuming you meant little kids just as you are wrong by assuming that "daughters" means underage women. Now mind you I'm sure that in the days the Torah was written it was common for men to have sexual relations with girls as young as 12-13 and I doubt that the men who wrote the Torah were any different.
 
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StonerCol said:
Pretty much turning on the TV tells me there aint a God. Not evidence granted, but that and the world around me tells me this isn't the work of some Grand Creator with any kind of control. I believe in evolution and don't believe that any kind of God exists.
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I also believe in evolution and I'm not denying that this is not a perfect world, but for me there are just too many questions left unanswered for me to deny the possibility of a conscious creator, I don't see how that makes me weak minded.
 
chemphlegm

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New Age United said:
"Fuck human children" were your exact words, see it's not right to construe people's words. I was wrong by assuming you meant little kids just as you are wrong by assuming that "daughters" means underage women. Now mind you I'm sure that in the days the Torah was written it was common for men to have sexual relations with girls as young as 12-13 and I doubt that the men who wrote the Torah were any different.
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12 to 13 year old girls are in fact human children aye, but thats not the real point now is it. The fact that a god allowed some of his mutinous underlings to leave the mother ship and knew they were going to have sexual relationships of rape likened to that of beastiality with human children and produce ugly giant offspring is most telling. It did happen, if one believes the word of their lords.
 
chemphlegm

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I thought about employing a fairy alien god to take the blame until I studied those other who do so, the ones who claim to be followers of the biblical god alien. I read their book, listened to their sermons. I saw the types and decided I did not want to be like them, live like them, act like them, or be associated with them. The more they subscribed the less human they seemed.
Take a look at the followers of a club to get a good idea of what the non present president is all about.
After reading their book I've come to the conclusion they have chosen the wrong leader as their best god alien ether ghost
 
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Yes 12-13 years old is a child but it is also the age of puberty, what makes someone a pedophile is being attracted to prepubescent kids. But I'm not going to start defending the men who wrote these words or the god that they invisioned, My beliefs about God are much different than the god portrayed in the Torah or the new testament but I do have to agree with "some" of the things the actual "prophets" said about God.
 
bizarrojohnson

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Damn what a shame. I came to this thread hoping to find a well written post about why someone believes there god is real. I really wanted to know. All I get is ramblings from a mad man........every time.

You are the god of your own existence. Now go create.
 
PCXV

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skimmed over "Japan Christ" wtf?

Very hard drugs have ruined your brain. Repeat that to yourself.
 
New Age United

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bizarrojohnson said:
Damn what a shame. I came to this thread hoping to find a well written post about why someone believes there god is real. I really wanted to know. All I get is ramblings from a mad man........every time.

You are the god of your own existence. Now go create.
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I will do my best to keep this rational. I will start with your last statement "you are the god of your own existence, now go create" very well said and I agree 100%. IMO you are the effortless creator of the cosmos, you created Paradise just to be alive, it can not possibly get any better than this just open your eyes it is paradise. Unfortunately God does not always realize that it is god, do to an influx of constant thought and emotion god can very easily come to the belief that it is a mortal human being, the Light of awareness becomes cover in darkness and the world becomes dull and lifeless. The immortal genius that creates entire universes and created the human brain falls from grace and loses itself to the illusion of time and mortality. There is a way to for God/Goddess to return to grace and realize it's true power which is Love, not the sappy emotional love the love of which I speak is a very light and easy thing, it should take an effort that is not there to hold it back. That is why you created this world, because you could not experience or express love without the human experience.

Always be Aware of Space : Can you become directly aware of all the empty space around you?

Time is an illusion but the Earth is very Real : there is no time all that exists is the universe at this present moment. Eternity

All things come and go but the Light remains Eternal : you are the Light, Awareness, the stillness, the Silent Witness, not fleeting, Unwavering, Eternal, immortal.

The world is not hell it is actually a very peaceful paradise

"if I err, I err only against my own soul, for in the Light i know Allah's will as my own will. Muhammad

"it is not I but the Father in me that does the works" JC
 
dagwood45431

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New Age United said:
I will do my best to keep this rational. I will start with your last statement "you are the god of your own existence, now go create" very well said and I agree 100%. IMO you are the effortless creator of the cosmos, you created Paradise just to be alive, it can not possibly get any better than this just open your eyes it is paradise. Unfortunately God does not always realize that it is god, do to an influx of constant thought and emotion god can very easily come to the belief that it is a mortal human being, the Light of awareness becomes cover in darkness and the world becomes dull and lifeless. The immortal genius that creates entire universes and created the human brain falls from grace and loses itself to the illusion of time and mortality. There is a way to for God/Goddess to return to grace and realize it's true power which is Love, not the sappy emotional love the love of which I speak is a very light and easy thing, it should take an effort that is not there to hold it back. That is why you created this world, because you could not experience or express love without the human experience.

Always be Aware of Space : Can you become directly aware of all the empty space around you?

Time is an illusion but the Earth is very Real : there is no time all that exists is the universe at this present moment. Eternity

All things come and go but the Light remains Eternal : you are the Light, Awareness, the stillness, the Silent Witness, not fleeting, Unwavering, Eternal, immortal.

The world is not hell it is actually a very peaceful paradise

"if I err, I err only against my own soul, for in the Light i know Allah's will as my own will. Muhammad

"it is not I but the Father in me that does the works" JC
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It's just my opinion of course, it is not important, just as nothing is important, not even the survival of humanity is important. Also just my opinion.
 
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New Age United said:
It's just my opinion of course, it is not important, just as nothing is important, not even the survival of humanity is important. Also just my opinion.
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That went from lightness to darkness quickly!

I meant no offense. I'm a smart ass and I don't even like myself sometimes.
 
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And I didn't take any offense to either of your memes I'm used to people not agreeing with me.

The survival of humanity is important but that is a subjective perspective which exists only in the mind it has no real objective existenc. If you are building a house then it is very important that you lay the foundation first, but when you realize that even the construction of the house is not actually important then how important is the laying of the foundation. If humanity is to survive and transcend suffering then yes destructive religious non sense will have to be eliminated I agree. Please understand that I understand that almost everything I say is just an opinion. I always feel like saying strictly my opinion before I say anything but that would get annoying quick.
 
BobCajun

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weedhead24 said:
okay athiest, to argue against the word of the Lord .Your eyes have to see the light of the truth, as it is written in the Holy Bible authorized king james version .That grapevine is Jesus Christ .Athiest use false doctrines written by men to debate with thorns and thistles written by man .As we near Revelation chapter 6 nearing the end of this world age . God's people (US UK) brother nations know your true history. This is the reason we are out numbered by athiest masses .With there political correctness immoral evil behavior. They are getting ready to worship Satan =anti-pope francis .but have the spirit of slumber over them .A third of God's children WILL bow .They don't know that, because they don't give a fuck that's why .an haven't even seen what is written. What nation is most blessed closest to the dew of heaven and taste the fat of the lamb USA baby! We got too much grain what must we do with it? Who saved us with an atomic bomb from Japan Christ delivered his own .He will take care of his own .Who landed on the moon first Christ blessed our nation with a USA flag on that moon first .We share our blessings with our precious brother nation (UK). The gospel is the good news I bring you brethren .Who did that ?Christ did that .Can you see we are the only two nations US UK that worship Jesus Christ , besides Israel.There are still some righteous men and women ready to lay down there life for Christ in US UK .Every other nations worships anything other than God are all heathen .It's bloodlines had set up false images before them .God multiplied our nation as numerous as the sand of the seas as promised .So we had the troops to rescue our precious people Israel .Every heathen Nation is receiving power from Satan since 2012 when the 5th trump was blown .north Korea false worship gaining power the mohammadans . The sorcerers in the original manuscripts are drug dealers the cartels .Our enemies are swarming .As it is Written it shall happen the athiest will take God's name from the vocabulary an weaken this great nation .We don't get as many blessings as we use too gay mirrage , abortion on an on an on. You think God is going to bless that , certainly not. I will bring you the word i carry the priest line .God will deliver us from bondage again just as he did using moses . Moses is coming back
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YHWH was just another god of just another ancient people. His one claim to originality was his dislike for artwork. Aside from that, couldn't tell him apart from about 100 other gods of the time. My question to you would be why you're capable of recognizing that all the other ancient gods were mere myths but with the Hebrew god that fact somehow escaped you. The Hebrews must be a magical people or something. Oddly, I seem to be one of the few people who are immune to their magic book, cuz a guy stuffing two of every species on earth into a boat doesn't seem all that convincing to me somehow.

I do believe that there are supernatural entities, like the "being of light" who meets people at death, but YHWH is clearly a fictional character in a book composed by an admittedly very imaginative people. To give it any more significance than that would be rather ill advised. Just be thankful that the ogre is fictional.
 
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BobCajun said:
YHWH was just another god of just another ancient people. His one claim to originality was his dislike for artwork. Aside from that, couldn't tell him apart from about 100 other gods of the time. My question to you would be why you're capable of recognizing that all the other ancient gods were mere myths but with the Hebrew god that fact somehow escaped you. The Hebrews must be a magical people or something. Oddly, I seem to be one of the few people who are immune to their magic book, cuz a guy stuffing two of every species on earth into a boat doesn't seem all that convincing to me somehow.

I do believe that there are supernatural entities, like the "being of light" who meets people at death, but YHWH is clearly a fictional character in a book composed by an admittedly very imaginative people. To give it any more significance than that would be rather ill advised. Just be thankful that the ogre is fictional.
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Very good point about recognizing other gods as fiction but not your own. What exactly do you mean by "super natural" entities and "being of light" can you elaborate? And I just want to point out that "YHWH is clearly a fictional character" is an an argument from incredulity.
 
BobCajun

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New Age United said:
Very good point about recognizing other gods as fiction but not your own. What exactly do you mean by "super natural" entities and "being of light" can you elaborate? And I just want to point out that "YHWH is clearly a fictional character" is an an argument from incredulity.
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By supernatural I mean not anything normally found on earth. You could say that non-physical entities are a part of nature and therefore natural. I just couldn't think of any better way to describe discarnate entities, though I guess I could use that term instead.

YHWH was clearly a revised version of the Egyptian high god Amun. He dwelled in a holy mountain, Jebel Barkal today, much like YHWH on Mt Sinai or whereever it was. Let's face it, any normal modern person can easily see that YHWH is a made up character just like his prototype Amun and all the other gods of the region. None of them get special status as being not made up, why would they when they obviously are.

For instance, if YHWH were in fact a real entity and had limitless power then why would he let the Babylonians destroy his temple? And the convenient excuse of "to punish the Israelites" won't wash because how does the temple benefit them? With the temple gone, they didn't have to waste animals anymore, because that was the only place acceptable to do the sacrifices. The temple getting destroyed hurt nobody but YHWH himself, so why did he let it happen?

There are no gods because a god is a thing that you do things for in hope of deriving personal benefit, usually bountiful harvests and military success. So obviously that would not be an advanced entity capable of creating universes. Sounds more like something you would summon up with a Ouija board. Obviously a real "Creator" would not be involved in petty deals with humans like that and would have no use for worship or sacrifices whatsoever. If you want to test whether a god is real then an easy method is to ask yourself if the entity ever asked for anything. If the answer is yes, it isn't the Creator if one exists. It's some dude making shit up.
 
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