Hydro (Advanced Nutrients) vs Soil (Fox Farms) ~ Fucking Incredible

chiefbootknocker said:

Now hold on there little buck-a-roo. That dude was a little rude, but this is a bit on the bogus side.

First the guy admits to being a seasoned hydro grower, and has limited experience with dirt.

Second, his Fox Farm lineup is incomplete. There is NO product in there that will turbo kick the buds when flowering starts. If you read the NPK on those products they are fairly tame when it comes to P-K. This is opposed to the AN lineup he is using which is totally geared toward budding......geee I wonder who will win.


In oder for this to be fair I think you need the solubles from Fox Farm in addition to what this person already has, and someone who can grow in soil.

Also leave the "fucking incredible" out of the post title too. It leads someone to believe something happened on this thread.

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First off....my "limited experience with soil" still pounds your limited experience with growing at all into the ground. My soil grow will certainly benefit from my years of growing experience period.

Second, and I'll state it again for the jackass' that seem too retarded to read the entire thread....This is not a Fox Farms vs Advanced Nutrients comparison. If it were I would be using the same medium. I could've chosen GH for hydro and Jack's Classic for soil. Wouldn't have made a difference to me in trying to find what I'm looking for which is about the finished product. The taste, aroma, and quality difference is what I'm really after. I've already addressed the additives and stated that I would either A) Add the foxfarms additives per the feeding schedule or B) use only the Sensi A&B from Advanced Nutrients. It will be all or nothing on both sides so I don't know where this argument is coming from.

And why would I not leave the name of the strain in the title? It's my fault they named it "Fucking Incredible"? How do I know what the results of this thread will be in 3 months and that it won't be the most important part. You fucktards don't realize that I put the name of this strain in the title because if you google "Fucking Incredible" and many, many variants you won't find any or very few complete grow journals on here, grasscity or anywhere else. But you will now see links to my grow journals related to this strain. So for the hundreds or thousands of people trying to google information about it before purchasing seeds it's very helpful.

Life isn't always about pleasing everyone in forum land...I'm only sharing what I'm growing and sharing the knowledge and experience I've gained from years of growing.

If some people didn;t bitch, quarrel and spread negativity they would have fuck all to do.... you go laser.... watching with interest....

laserbrn said:

First off....my "limited experience with soil" still pounds your limited experience with growing at all into the ground. My soil grow will certainly benefit from my years of growing experience period.

Second, and I'll state it again for the jackass' that seem too retarded to read the entire thread....This is not a Fox Farms vs Advanced Nutrients comparison. If it were I would be using the same medium. I could've chosen GH for hydro and Jack's Classic for soil. Wouldn't have made a difference to me in trying to find what I'm looking for which is about the finished product. The taste, aroma, and quality difference is what I'm really after. I've already addressed the additives and stated that I would either A) Add the foxfarms additives per the feeding schedule or B) use only the Sensi A&B from Advanced Nutrients. It will be all or nothing on both sides so I don't know where this argument is coming from.

And why would I not leave the name of the strain in the title? It's my fault they named it "Fucking Incredible"? How do I know what the results of this thread will be in 3 months and that it won't be the most important part. You fucktards don't realize that I put the name of this strain in the title because if you google "Fucking Incredible" and many, many variants you won't find any or very few complete grow journals on here, grasscity or anywhere else. But you will now see links to my grow journals related to this strain. So for the hundreds or thousands of people trying to google information about it before purchasing seeds it's very helpful.

Life isn't always about pleasing everyone in forum land...I'm only sharing what I'm growing and sharing the knowledge and experience I've gained from years of growing.

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you don't know crap about how much I do or don't grow. So theres your idiot comment number one. You can boast all you want but there is still someone else out there you can smoke YOU.

You second statement is also STUPID. If you post something like AN "VS." FF what do you think people are going to deduct from that?

Last statement is cool by me. You are right; I thought it was a statement not a strain....oops my bad. I just can't know them all. Especially those bassakwards mexican dirt weed strains developed in some basement in Canaduh.


Now I'll let you get back to your sausage fest with your butt pal madcatter.

P.S. you are the best gardener in the world. Jesus love's you. Keep it real.

chiefbootknocker said:

you don't know crap about how much I do or don't grow. So theres your idiot comment number one. You can boast all you want but there is still someone else out there you can smoke YOU.

You second statement is also STUPID. If you post something like AN "VS." FF what do you think people are going to deduct from that?

Last statement is cool by me. You are right; I thought it was a statement not a strain....oops my bad. I just can't know them all. Especially those bassakwards mexican dirt weed strains developed in some basement in Canaduh.


Now I'll let you get back to your sausage fest with your butt pal madcatter.

P.S. you are the best gardener in the world. Jesus love's you. Keep it real.

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I know plenty about what you know...

I can deduce from statements like...

chiefbootknocker said:

There is NO product in there that will turbo kick the buds when flowering starts. If you read the NPK on those products they are fairly tame when it comes to P-K. This is opposed to the AN lineup he is using which is totally geared toward budding......geee I wonder who will win.

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The N-P-K of Foxfarms all around is higher in P & K than the Advanced Nutrients lineup. It's clear maybe you don't know how to read N-P-K, but the N in Fox Farms is very, very low and the P & K are relatively quite high and if you had read the entire thread (guessing you still haven't) you would acknowledge that I stated that would be addressed.

You can't even manage to write a grow journal so why come harpin' on mine? I like your avatar too, your buds are really cute....why did you grow them all small like that? Haha..."turbo boosters" help you with that? Healthy plants make healthy buds, not plants with no leaves.

I'm not saying it to sound like an arrogant know-it-all, it's because you moron's don't bother reading the entire thread before posting and you try to post misinformation and follow all of the hype the hydro store guy ever sold you.

See when your buds are big enough you know longer have to use your hand as a measure you can come back and offer me advice on what products to use....These plants are my DP White Widow that I grew before the Fucking Incredible that's currently flowering...

Single 600w light....you'll see that in the picture with the water jugz that there isn't a shadow cost ont he water bottle, because the buds are touching it. The bud on the right is also touching the ground.

It's about supporting healthy foliage as long as possible, ask anyone of the guys on here with the big buds how they got'em....compare the results with the guys with excessive leaf drop and too many "Turbo Boosters"...haha, love that term.

The POINT is that this was never about Foxfarms vs. Advanced Nutrients. If it was the thread would be titled Advanced Nutrients vs Foxfarms, but instead it's called Hydro (AN) vs Soil (FF)...see I don't know if you remember English class (assuming it's your first language), but just like that statement, the paranthesis indicate additional information or an additional statement that is not part of the sentence. An extra note if you will.

Are you trolls finished yet?

Chief boot knocker change your user name to chief knuckle dragger.... you are so stupid you don;t even recognize Fucking incredible as one of High times Top 10 strains for 2008.... but then again... reading and research probably aren't your strong points are they big fella?

Funny how some guys are god awful tough talking smack downs when they hide behind a computer screen....

damn, that was rough.......

Kind of a daddy hit mommy suspense in the thread now.
ha

madcatter said:

Chief boot knocker change your user name to chief knuckle dragger.... you are so stupid you don;t even recognize Fucking incredible as one of High times Top 10 strains for 2008.... but then again... reading and research probably aren't your strong points are they big fella?

Funny how some guys are god awful tough talking smack downs when they hide behind a computer screen....

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You should change yours to "I love to suck laserbrns dick"

chiefbootknocker said:

You should change yours to "I love to suck laserbrns dick"

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Out of respect for my thread...please no one respond to this troll anymore. They always go away with a good old fashioned ignoring.

enjoying reading the parts of this that are productive. There are soooo many right and best ways to grow I cant believe that people argue without posting pics. I am really looking forward to your results.

I would like to put my vote in for base nutes only....subscribed, thx

Wow that was a fun read, im on my 2nd grow and was thinking after getting 4 or 5 grows under my belt experimenting with hydro so this will be good for me to see subscribed! Also im new and all like i said on my first grow i used miracle grow soil and nutes still got 2.35oz off 2 plants but was wondering if ur soil nutes have low n my new nutes from botanicare grow 3-2-4 and bloom 1-4-5 if my leaves started to yellow how would i go abou tjust adding more N? on my first grow i thought they were supposed to yellow lol now i kinow bettter!

haha fun read indeed, now that the troll is gone
good luck Laser! this is deffinately useful information, even seeing hydro/soil side by side is helpful

Delux83 said:

Wow that was a fun read, im on my 2nd grow and was thinking after getting 4 or 5 grows under my belt experimenting with hydro so this will be good for me to see subscribed! Also im new and all like i said on my first grow i used miracle grow soil and nutes still got 2.35oz off 2 plants but was wondering if ur soil nutes have low n my new nutes from botanicare grow 3-2-4 and bloom 1-4-5 if my leaves started to yellow how would i go abou tjust adding more N? on my first grow i thought they were supposed to yellow lol now i kinow bettter!

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This is my first soil grow in quite some time, but the way that I generally figure out the nutes is through experience. Reacting to problems is important, but preventing them is better.

If you are going to stick with these botanicare nutes (which should be just fine) then use them the first time. If you experience a lot of leaf drop late in flower then I would suggest keeping them on higher N fertilizer for longer (the grow formula). I try to make a switch in my nutrients and work on timing that switch rather than adding more N late in flower. If I started seeing problems 2 weeks into flower I would probably feed the grow forumula once or twice to try to get them through to the end and then back to my bloom formula. On the NEXT grow I would then just keep them on the grow formula for at least the first week of flower. If the problem persisted in the second grow I would keep them on the grow for 2 weeks into flower or consider a more balanced nutrient package.

I'm not a soil expert so you have to take what you can from that.

Since you are using a different line of nutrients than last time I suggest using the feeding schedule as a good starting point and adjust as needed. The real problem is that different strains are very different, but generally the plan works out the same only adjusting the amounts your feeding.

Anyway, good luck and hopefully some of the soil experts can help you out! If you're using a good soil and good balanced nutrients it should be pretty straight forward.

I don't have any pictures but right now this comparison is off to an interesting start.

Soil:
Plants look really healthy, strong and happy. Very dark green and I think I've only watered them two or three times over the past week or so.

Hydro:
Things aren't looking as good. All I've done is transplant into the 4"x4" rockwool cubes and the plants look very unhappy. I transplanted into the cubes after they had presoaked about 30 minutes in ph 5.5 water. The plants went in while the cubes were pretty soaked and after about 12 hours looked like they had been overwatered. So I let the cubes dry out for a few days and I finally just watered again for the first time last night for a 15 minute flood.

The plants just look like they are in recovery mode at this point. I know they will come around, but they were too small to put into the big cubes and I should've waited and let them root for another week or so in the smaller cubes. They got a bit drowned straight away and I'm sure that they will recover albeit a little slowly. This first watering had Sensi Grow A&B @ about 50ppm and CalMag plus @ 25ppm, very light feeding just to try bring some color to them. They look very light in color and starved for nitrogen, but for some reasons clones in hydro seem to start this way. They will turn a corner I'm sure and start shooting out new healthy growth, I have a few extra clones that I've kept in the 1x1 cubes and of course they look perfect so I know it was just from the excessive water in the cubes.

So to those that say this won't be fair because I don't have enough experience with soil, there ya have it, the soil is so much simpler than the hydro that it's already got the advantage.

Good stuff so far. Can't wait for more pics.. Thanks for sharing your time and effort with us.. I hope to learn a thing or two with threads like this. Nice work man keep it up..

this is an awesome thread I'll be watchin if you don't mind.

Soils always more consistant, IMO. Look at Roots Organics(or FFOF), Im sure they have put lots of money into soil production and test for QA and so forth. That makes it much easier for the grower to transplant and just water/feed. I swear Roots blows away FFOF though. I do use FF Light Warrior as a 15% mix with Roots. Next time try Roots, You wont be disappointed. PIIIICCCSSS!

I have a partner who is doing a 50/50 mix of Fox Farms+Bio Bizz vs. Roots Organic soil. He has 16 Chemo Cindy clones. Half in the 50/50 mix, and half in the Roots soil. Today is 3 weeks in and the Fox Farms/Bio Bizz mix is blowing away the Roots soil. Every plant put in the 50/50 mix is bigger, healthier, and looks more vibrant. Seen them with my own eyes. We heard good things about Roots, and was hoping to add that soil to the mix, but after seeing the two side by side, that 50/50 mix kicks ass! Off to the farm-TMB

treemansbuds said:

I have a partner who is doing a 50/50 mix of Fox Farms+Bio Bizz vs. Roots Organic soil. He has 16 Chemo Cindy clones. Half in the 50/50 mix, and half in the Roots soil. Today is 3 weeks in and the Fox Farms/Bio Bizz mix is blowing away the Roots soil. Every plant put in the 50/50 mix is bigger, healthier, and looks more vibrant. Seen them with my own eyes. We heard good things about Roots, and was hoping to add that soil to the mix, but after seeing the two side by side, that 50/50 mix kicks ass! Off to the farm-TMB

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Thanks for playin' along. I dont' know where I'll go with soil if I stay in that direction in the future. I will post pics tonight when I get back home. The hydro plants look really sad and unhappy, but like I said for some reason it always seems to go that way in the start. I haven't found a method where I don't get this reaction straight away from the clones. Seedlings start just fine, but clones always seem to turn bad before they turn back to good. I always just chocked it up to the plants building roots instead of foliage at the start and sort of the natural progression of clones, but shit that didn't happen it all in the soil. Like I said though, I already know that the hydro clones will turn around and take off.

Did you add B1 before and after transplanting the clones? Let the rockwell soak in a very dilute b1 for 30 minutes before planting. Then next watering add a 1/4 strenght hydro mix.
as for the b1 i recomend aussietonic