Hydro Innovations Ice Box 8" for 4000w Cooled by Swimming Pool?

yo just to let you know copper and chlorine dont mix not a big deal but it will turn your pool water green from the copper if u do do this use pvc as much as you can i piped my pool with copper and yah well lol

aubud said:

I think it would work...
Your talking about just using pool water to cool the lights right? i think it would work perfectly, i was going to use a constant flow of water from my appt building to coll one but i decided against it

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That is what i ama considering. What were your thoughts on pros and cons of using the building supplied water for cooling? The only thing I am thinking of is excessive water consumption, although it would probably not be noticeable. What do you think?

That excessive water usage would be detected damn near fucking immediately.

You'd just be having your water line on 24/7, and the water company/your landlord/whoever would be out there the second the first bill came out showing that your usage jumped (no lie) 2400%.

If you live in a building where water is free and you think it's large enough that they wouldn't notice one unit constantly using water, you're wrong as well - the super would be in every apartment checking for leaks, so he'd not only find your grow, but you'd probably be charged for the excess water as well.

Just my $.02.........and for the record, I run a drain to waste water-cooled CO2 generator (but have a "normal" AC for my cooling needs).

My last grow was pretty much like your idea its a great Idea only one problem with it imo. Your pool pump will draw about 12 amps (mine did) and you will have to run it for 12 hours a day minimum thats alot of energy just to push water around...only reason I did it was I have fresca sols also. but anyway you might be best suited to just exhaust the air out you grow room if possible and buy a nice air condition I know my protables only draw 12 amps and cool plenty and I didnt have to run them 12 hours a days straight either it will prolly be more cost effective that way.

also you will not want to take these guys advice on using pvc as you do not want the pvc running under your house bcuz you will definitely need to have joints there that could and will leak eventually. My solution was to run braided vinyl tubing (soda hose) as it is flexible, strong and kink resistant.

All in all its a good Idea I just think you may want to just get a ac or invest in some water jackets. if I still had my setup I would change to all water jackets and have a 4 50 gal barrels and some smaller pumps that draw less energy. But thats just me that is what is most cost efficient however.

these are emails that transpired, frankly most all of there products are junk.The ice boxes will not work stand alone as ac for your room. If you set the chiller below 65, your gonna have humidity problems inside the reflector/bulb, and at 65 degrees or above, you aren't gonna be pulling much heat out of the air. My chiller is set a 45* and cycles up till 52*, with condensation lines of course. The problem is you have to consider the fact i'm also using a large pump 24/7 that you don't have on a dx standard ac system. Also the chillers are not consistent, a standard ac while operating, will pull 20* of heat out of the air, while chillers fluctuate because the water temp fluctuates, and i still have a 9 amp pump running 24/7, on a large system. Once you get the water temp above 50*,you will start dropping radically below 16*.

Specs:
Included but not limited too*
-Split unit twin 5 ton Goodman unit complete with a total of 10 ton in single phase 240v 13 seer
-twin fans for condensing unit with variable fan speed
-hard start kit for both scroll compressors
-5hp compressor wired in series
-outside dimensions must be less than 7’x4’ for condenser package
-upgrade to 1.5 HP pump
- stainless steel 55 gallon res
-Separate box for both 5hp compressor’s with screw on quick connect line’s fully charged including unit with 8 to 10 ft lines mounted on the short side of condenser
-3 used 2 ton heat exchanges with fans
-manifold with 3 ports for feed and return, sold separately
- 4 thermostats
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Notes from Pat…
twin fans should say; fan motor for each condenser to contain low ambient fan cycle switch
5ton units controlled in two stages by temp controller
cabinet inside to contain; pump, tank, both compressors and controls,pre charged refrigerant lines with quick connects, 12 ft
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$11,500 for chiller
$0 for used heat exchangers
$500 for all copper manifolds with valves (if he want to have them made from PVC they would be cheaper of course, since he wants a quote I’m assuming that he wants for what he cant build himself)
the thermostats are on hold right now for further testing, we are having an issue with them but I think that it is interference from digital ballasts b/c they emit RF signal. Until this is figured out maybe you should sell him TV1 or TV2 instead.
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From: stephen@hydroinnovations
To: webhead
Subject: Re: chiller 10 ton
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:03:16 -0600
Wes for you to test your chiller would cost you nothing but 15 min of your time. You bought a 10 ton chiller and you got an extra 1/2 ton for free. It should have been worded differently I agree but you are being ridiculous if you expect more than 10.5 tons out of the 10 ton chiller you bought and paid for. Especially since you are only paying for 8 tons of electricity. Prove to me that your chiller isn’t producing 10 tons and I will do everything in my power to fix, until then I can’t help you.
Wes seriously think about this….if your chiller is producing more than 10 tons of cooling and only paying electricity for 8 tons of cooling then that is a perfect situation….don’t you see that??? And you expect me to feel like I committed fraud??? I’m sorry but that isn’t going to happen. Here is what I think….I think that you have got more than 10 tons of heat in your garden and you think that if your compressors were 5 tons each that you would be getting 12 or 13 tons from it instead. You think that even though you bought a 10 ton chiller it should be at 12-13 hp. But lets be honest here, if you opened that up and it had (2) 5 hp compressors and it produced 10.5 tons you would be perfectly happy. You would be happy because that is what you expected the chiller to be. Instead you find out that it does indeed have the tonnage that you bought and paid for but it was actually doing this with smaller compressors saving you 20% on electricity….and you think that we screwed you.



Wes I’m done with this until I personally know your chiller isn’t producing 10 tons. We can argue about this for a month but it’s not going to change my mind. I feel like I’m arguing with a fence post, you buy a 10 ton chiller that you expect to produce 10 tons, which it does. What you want is a 10 ton chiller that produces 10 tons but uses 20% more energy and I think that is stupid, I’m sorry but it is. You want to threaten our reputation! Go for it! We can’t build chillers fast enough as it is…and that’s because our chillers are badass, use less power, and produce over their btu rating. I would love for you to tell people that your 10 ton chiller, that produces 10 tons, that uses 8 hp compressors to do it. Sounds like a great sales pitch to me.
As far as the compressor going out. First you tell me it was used for 8 weeks and then 10 weeks, which doesn’t matter be because it’s a year old. Leaks caused by the manufacturer don’t develop after a year of use. But that doesn’t matter either because after 3 months the warranty covers parts only. This means that I would have to make an exception for you and I’m not willing to do that because you are being unreasonable and accusing us of fraud. Besides we didn’t make a dime off of your chiller, greencoast complained they were making enough money because we gave you a price instead of them marking it up even more. We gave our entire $1,500 markup to them. So you got a substantial discount on the chiller because of that. You can more than pay for your compressors with that discount.*
Wes like I said above I’m done with this until I know the chiller you have doesn’t perform at it’s rating. You know that it does and that’s why you won’t test it, you just want it to use 20% more power.
Stephen*
Hydro Innovations
512-917-0248 cell
512-285-4606 fax
Sent from iPhone
On Nov 17, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Wes Riverside wrote:
Stephen your incorrect others i called aqua products, and cold shot chillers, and with r-22 refrigerant which is what you used they do not sell a 5 ton unit or 10 ton unit with 4 hp compressors, they used 5 hp compressors in there r-22 units.*
** Yes i would have been happy if the unit had what the receipt stated and only produced 10 tons or less, because i got what i paid for and what we agreed on. Actually by standards the btu ratings have to be 80% not 75%. I have heard too many different views from chill king and hydro innovations on ratings. This is why i meant no disrespect when i said i didn’t want to hear any more views or opinions. I first heard from Pat (owner of chill king) that my unit put out 138,000 btu, then later he told me, and texted me that it was 126,000 btu, then later he emailed me and i have 125,000 btu which is below, and you say 126,000 btu which is 10.5 tons. This is why i wanted 5 hp compressors, and made sure it was in the receipt, and approved by all parties involved. Under a constant heat load like i have you cannot rely on the stored btu that you have in your chill tank, because the smaller compressors don’t have a chance to cycle on and off for a long period, they don’t have a chance to get the temperature of the water down in the chill tank. Wether i am rite or wrong on my theory is irrelevant, i paid for 5 hp compressors, and that’s what i want.*
**I am giving you a chance to fix this matter and have good rap-or, and keep a good standing reputation in our small industry.

I recently tested the btu rating on the chiller using a licensed contractor, and chill kings test procedures. It came out at 83,591 btu. Stephen nor chill king wants to take any responsibility for this, and expects me at my cost to ship the unit back from ca, to texas at my expense after i have been repeatedly lied to by both parties. HORRIBLE CUSTOMER SERVICE AND PRODUCT, I AM TRYING TO MAKE SURE THESE COMPANIES DON'T BURN ANYONE ELSE, AFTER I SPENT OVER 11,OOO. THE WELDS AND CRAFTSMANSHIP ARE HORRIBLE AS WELL.

one more point of interest, I also had a compressor fail after 8-10 weeks of operation on the unit.I received the unit in 11/2009 but i had proof from the air handler receipts that it wasn’t installed till the beginning of september 2010. The failure was due to a refrigerant leak from a union, due to a manufacture defect. I was not reimbursed anything from hydro innovations and chill king paid for parts only 352 out of my $640 bill. thanks again


WHEN I COPY AND PASTE IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO distinguish which message is mine, basically he sold me a 10 ton unit with two 5 hp compressors, (sent over his distributor and me a spec sheet above) and then shipped me two 4 hp compressors in the unit. Also his unit doesn't test out too 10 tons, he has a breach of contract, and fraud. I CAN'T BELIEVE CHILL KING AND HYDRO INNOVATIONS IS STILL IN BUSINESS.

this is a sample of a build sheet from chill king supplied to me from hydro innovations, and then i see the owner stephen of hydro innov. on you tube saying his 2 ton unit puts out 26,000 btu??? so a one ton unit puts out 23,708 btu and a 2 ton unit puts out 26,000 btu?? Wow hydro innovations, that makes no sense at all. Which lie should i believe?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CulolkUgyGc&feature=related

check out my video on Hydro innovations/ chill king review on you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThStAu5PGew

Bob Smith said:

That excessive water usage would be detected damn near fucking immediately.

You'd just be having your water line on 24/7, and the water company/your landlord/whoever would be out there the second the first bill came out showing that your usage jumped (no lie) 2400%.

If you live in a building where water is free and you think it's large enough that they wouldn't notice one unit constantly using water, you're wrong as well - the super would be in every apartment checking for leaks, so he'd not only find your grow, but you'd probably be charged for the excess water as well.

Just my $.02.........and for the record, I run a drain to waste water-cooled CO2 generator (but have a "normal" AC for my cooling needs).

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Just got a $540 water bill cause of unknown reasons. Honestly they water company just stops by and says "holy shit batman" you need to fix something. LOL

why would you want to waste that much water anyway? Water in the future is gonna be one of the biggest problems globally. In CA the state has mandated, mandatory water conservation in every city.

Here is the companies video response to wes22. [video=youtube;ujWarihpCN4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujWarihpCN4[/video]

I made a video about my horrible experience to try and help anyone from experiencing the problems i went through. Instead of offering a fair resolution, Hydro innovations, and Chill king make another you tube video. What a joke, i have emails that transpired between all parties involved. I have proof, that i got screwed, and if anyone is considering purchasing one of his products, just send me a pm through this site, or my you tube account. Everyone can then draw there own conclusion.

To whomever cares

Final update: We received the chiller back from the customer and this is a pic of the heat exchanger inside the water reservoir. When there is corrosion of the heat exchanger it can drastically reduce the efficiency of the chiller. Corrosion is caused by failure to add appropriate amounts of propylene glycol as recommended by ChillKing. In the instructions we require propylene glycol to prevent corrosion from happening. The customer claims that he used glycol and has a receipt for it so it’s possible that he had a bad batch of glycol or maybe it was a diluted mixture already when purchased. While this can be repaired, it is no way a failure on the part of ChillKing or Hydro Innovations. With this new information we have been able to resolve it with the customer so that both videos were deleted and we can put this behind us.
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kudos to you both for resolving this issue.
I have a few questions about the hydro-gen water cooled generator. I recently purchaced one and am yet to hook it up. I have a 300 gallon resevoir that i was going to use for this as drain to waste is not an option. I also have a 1/4 hp eco-plus chiller and am probably going to make a air cooled radiator much like the "ice box" I was wondering if this will be sufficient cooling for it. I know the chiller alone is pitifully small and wholly inadequate by itself but In the owners manual of the hydrogen it says that a 300 gallon resevoir should be sufficient alone. I was hoping that with the generator being off for 12 hours along with my homemade "icebox"would keep my resevoir temps @ a reasonable level. And when the temps get too high i can use the chiller as supplemental cooling.The area i am trying to enrich w/C02 is about 9x12 feet. And i will be running "lights on" @night to help w/air conditioning and heat issues.
My other question is i also read somewhere that to be most efficient the chiller needs to be piped directly into the Hydrogen. Won't this cause condensation in the heat exchanger if the generator is off and the temperature of the resevoir is high enough that the chiller is still running? I figure i will run the output of the generator thru my radiator back to the rez. But the question is where is the best place to put the chiller. inlet of generator or after the radiator in my outlet before the resevoir?
any advice in this matter will be Greatly appreciated as i am only a couple of weeks away from trying to put it all together.
thanks in advance.

noone is using the hydrogen-pro?

chris@H.I you are the hydro inovations rep right? any suggestions?

joe

hmm, The silence is deafening.
Makes me feel REAL GOOD about my Hydrogen-Pro purchase