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torontoke

torontoke

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If they cant make a profit at $2 a gram then they should shut the doors. Patients cant afford to pay off these mutimillion dollar start ups in the first year.
The mmpr isnt just fukin patients but in the long run a few of these lps will and are losing their ass too.

Im still waiting for someone to explain how homegrowers can grow for them selves at $1 a gram yet these companies cant sell for less then $5 a gram and make money with a warehouse for a grow room and buying all supplies in bulk?
 
WHATFG

WHATFG

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torontoke said:
If they cant make a profit at $2 a gram then they should shut the doors. Patients cant afford to pay off these mutimillion dollar start ups in the first year.
The mmpr isnt just fukin patients but in the long run a few of these lps will and are losing their ass too.

Im still waiting for someone to explain how homegrowers can grow for them selves at $1 a gram yet these companies cant sell for less then $5 a gram and make money with a warehouse for a grow room and buying all supplies in bulk?
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Infrastructure TO...the safe, the security, all the crap HC thinks they need to grow good meds....wrong wrong wrong...I still think the Colorado model works best for patients and growers....can you even imagine how great the mj would be if only the best growers survived?
 
redi jedi

redi jedi

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torontoke said:
If they cant make a profit at $2 a gram then they should shut the doors. Patients cant afford to pay off these mutimillion dollar start ups in the first year.
The mmpr isnt just fukin patients but in the long run a few of these lps will and are losing their ass too.

Im still waiting for someone to explain how homegrowers can grow for them selves at $1 a gram yet these companies cant sell for less then $5 a gram and make money with a warehouse for a grow room and buying all supplies in bulk?
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Its all about overhead, I would bet if most patients factored in their rent or mortgage and put a minimum wage value on their time...nobody is growing for less than $1/g
 
torontoke

torontoke

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WHATFG said:
Infrastructure TO...the safe, the security, all the crap HC thinks they need to grow good meds....wrong wrong wrong...I still think the Colorado model works best for patients and growers....can you even imagine how great the mj would be if only the best growers survived?
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The building the safe the security and staff etc are all things that the patients shouldnt pay for.
How exactly do u quantify the cost of all that stuff into the price of each measley gram? Impossible.
The lps all knew those costs were going to be there beforehand. And even still does the homegrower not have his own list of costs to offset his cost per gram?

Think about the amount of tonnes that can be generated in some of these massive buildings yet the prices are locked in at unaffordable amounts.
 
torontoke

torontoke

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redi jedi said:
Its all about overhead, I would bet if most patients factored in their rent or mortgage and put a minimum wage value on their time...nobody is growing for less than $1/g
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Sorry man but i disagree.
The last dg that i helped set up factored in everything you could possibly thing of mortgage hydro bill supplies even a legal safety fund and still grew for about $.080 a gram.
It only takes good planning and being on top of a good garden.
The lps had a licence to print money and instead chose to keep expanding and spending which shouldnt be passed on to the patients.
Thats the thing everyone forgets we are not customers we are patients.
The only reason they are allowed to grow anything is because they have patients registered to them.
 
redi jedi

redi jedi

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torontoke said:
Sorry man but i disagree.
The last dg that i helped set up factored in everything you could possibly thing of mortgage hydro bill supplies even a legal safety fund and still grew for about $.080 a gram.
It only takes good planning and being on top of a good garden.
The lps had a licence to print money and instead chose to keep expanding and spending which shouldnt be passed on to the patients.
Thats the thing everyone forgets we are not customers we are patients.
The only reason they are allowed to grow anything is because they have patients registered to them.
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Well will have to agree to disagree on the cost of home growing but you cant disagree that LP's have way more overhead/expense to produce. Consider an LP that has been sitting idle for a few months, they are starting in the red and will have to make millions before they are in the black..
 
bigmanc

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torontoke said:
Plus all these lps go from maybe having small 10 plant home grows to suddenly having a massive warehouse to grow and no clue how to do it.
Any of you ever been involved in a massive grow like this its not easy.
Alot of the work gets forgotten about during their dreams of mansions and million dollar portfolios.
Growing large quantities of quality meds is far more difficult than people realize.

The list of lps may keep growing but if no one clues in to actually catering to low strain prices we will see them all fold up soon one after the other.
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Theres one LP im aware of were there master grower had 14 locations maxed out with 4 patients each.
 
torontoke

torontoke

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redi jedi said:
Well will have to agree to disagree on the cost of home growing but you cant disagree that LP's have way more overhead/expense to produce. Consider an LP that has been sitting idle for a few months, they are starting in the red and will have to make millions before they are in the black..
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Again those start up costs cant be expected to be recouped right away and theres no way to sit down and figure out what that overhead is per gram of a plant that theres no guarantee of how many many grams. Its all guesswork and they are failing miserably.
Would you rather have one pissed off customer spending a million dollars or a million customers spending a dollar but coming back everyday?

Obviously lps have massive overheads but which genius thought thats ok sick poor people will pick up that tab.
A friend of a friend was all gung ho about setting up an lp and had investors and everything in place and this was our sticking point. And the reason i said good luck i want nothing to do with it.

Think about walmart stores. The cost of rent for a walmart store is different in one end of the city versus the other yet the prices on products are the same (usually). Because in the giant wave of cash they pullin they know that those differences will average out.
 
torontoke

torontoke

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bigmanc said:
Theres one LP im aware of were there master grower had 14 locations maxed out with 4 patients each.
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Im sorry bigman but i refuse to even consider anyone that works for an lp a "master" at anything but marketing and sales.
In fact what your saying makes it worse. I havent seen one single bud from an lp that i would even want people to think i grew.

And how did one guy have 14 locations? Id love to know since now i cant have even one.
 
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gb123

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why do you say that people are not growing for under a dollar a gram...

holy geesus people... :lol:
 
doingdishes

doingdishes

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torontoke said:
Sorry man but i disagree.
The last dg that i helped set up factored in everything you could possibly thing of mortgage hydro bill supplies even a legal safety fund and still grew for about $.080 a gram.
It only takes good planning and being on top of a good garden.
The lps had a licence to print money and instead chose to keep expanding and spending which shouldnt be passed on to the patients.
Thats the thing everyone forgets we are not customers we are patients.
The only reason they are allowed to grow anything is because they have patients registered to them.
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i am not sure here but if you were living in the place where you grow, why factor in costs that exist whether you grow or not. your rent/mortgage would be the same if you grew or not. you extra hydro would factor in as well as nutrients
if you rented a place for grow only, absolutely factor in rent etc but costs that would be there growing or not
 
torontoke

torontoke

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doingdishes said:
i am not sure here but if you were living in the place where you grow, why factor in costs that exist whether you grow or not. your rent/mortgage would be the same if you grew or not. you extra hydro would factor in as well as nutrients
if you rented a place for grow only, absolutely factor in rent etc but costs that would be there growing or not
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Exactly
But even using an lp model.
Lets use twood...the chocolate factory has to cost a fortune to rent. Lets say the rent or mortgage is $20 000 a month.
How can u accurately divide those costs out into a product your selling by the gram if your lucky enough to be able to sell it?
Seems like a recipe for disaster to me.
Now to confuse things even more....all those costs that everyone brought up. Safes building security etc. those are all tax right offs too so how does that not change the price per gram.

The whole idea behind these lps makes no sense and even tho i think they could work in the future for rec i doubt that many will survive long enough to recoup their investments.

The whole thing gives me a headache
 
redi jedi

redi jedi

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torontoke said:
Exactly
But even using an lp model.
Lets use twood...the chocolate factory has to cost a fortune to rent. Lets say the rent or mortgage is $20 000 a month.
How can u accurately divide those costs out into a product your selling by the gram if your lucky enough to be able to sell it?
Seems like a recipe for disaster to me.
Now to confuse things even more....all those costs that everyone brought up. Safes building security etc. those are all tax right offs too so how does that not change the price per gram.

The whole idea behind these lps makes no sense and even tho i think they could work in the future for rec i doubt that many will survive long enough to recoup their investments.

The whole thing gives me a headache
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Twood bought their facility out right...
 
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