I just can't

if you leave a deer carcass in the woods on Saturday you can go back Monday search all day and you might not find a hair. Im not surprised they need to create/ copy some of the bones.

How many large wild animal carcasses have you found in your lifetime? How many single bones/ skulls?
I bet the numbers are low . We have tons of black bear and moose . Excluding the highway/road , ive never met anyone, out of dozens or more hunters thats ever saw one in the woods dead. Yes it happens and people find deers locked up dead etc. but in the big picture, the numbers are minuscule

There is no missing link. It would take several missing links to fill the spot . the difference is huge between ours and the last known humanid skull . Look at the skulls of pre human and modern human. Minor changes and then “us”. Something entirely different that would take many many evolutionary processes to arrive at.The discovery of ardi puts us even further away.

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There is no missing link. It would take several missing links to fill the spot . the difference is huge between ours and the last known humanid skull . Look at the skulls of pre human and modern human. Minor changes and then “us”. Something entirely different that would take many many evolutionary processes to arrive at.The discovery of ardi puts us even further away.

Lucy and Ardi: The two fossils that changed human history

Kermit Pattison, author of Fossil Men: The Quest for the Oldest Ancestor and the Origins of Humankind, tells the story of two skeletons that changed our understanding of the evolution of humans.

www.sciencefocus.com

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Haha, I quit reading as soon as they said they added the ape like skull, and all the other main feature bones that would make it appear as some un-evolved humanoid. They basically cobbled a bunch of bones together, just like they did with the dinosaurs, but with newer 70s technology. They say its from hundreds of specimens of the same species, but how would they know if they don't even have a single complete skeleton of one? They just went ahead and fabricated an ape woman, and made up a whole new species!

Where are the hundred of complete skeletons, showing the evolution happening at different stages?

Incomplete skeletons/fossils are easily explainable . I agree that they don’t even agree amongst themselves and i think we really just guess at alot of it. I think the timeline itself is way wrong too.

This is old and bad quality but fire one up and give it a go. It’s interesting if nothing else

bam0813 said:

Incomplete skeletons/fossils are easily explainable . I agree that they don’t even agree amongst themselves and i think we really just guess at alot of it. I think the timeline itself is way wrong too.

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Alien intervention anyone?

Absolutely imo

We’re just too different. We may not have had any physical evolvement’s for a long time but we are continually evolving mentally. If its part of an”evolutionary “ process, shouldn’t apes atleast have tree forts by now?

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We’re just too different. We may not have had any physical evolvement’s for a long time but we are continually evolving mentally. If its part of an”evolutionary “ process, shouldn’t apes atleast have tree forts by now?

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I follow your thought line here,I also think human lineage is way older than previously thought.Also I believe some geologic processes may be newer than thought.I do think human self realization is a unique phenomenon, but not necessarily separate from natural evolution on this planet.

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Absolutely imo

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It's also a chance any foreign interference in evolution could be coming from here in the future,(or past).As we think of travel through space,we must also remain open to the possibility of travel through time.

I feel like some of the confusion/frustration over evolution and the fossil record might have parallels to the confusion about the shape of the earth... There is a massive difference in scale between the world/universe/time as a whole, vs the small part of it that we experience as individuals.

The stuff that has been written down and recorded is only a tiny fraction of the actual history of humans. We have written records dating back like 10,000-15,000 years, and in that time humans have gone from carving words and pictures in literal rocks, to having smart phones that can show us audio and video in real time from across the world. That's a pretty incredible step, and when you think about it, the time frame that it occurred in is relatively small.

The article about Lucy and Ardi references stuff that is 3+ Million years old. That's like 200 times the amount of time it took to go from carving stuff in rocks, to smart phones. And for that whole span of time, we have only a handful of skeletons complete enough to make any conclusions about the appearance of humanoids during that time, out of billions and billions of humanoids that existed... That's not a whole lot of information to go on, so to me it's amazing that scientists can make any sort of educated guesses at all about the evolutionary history of humans.

Also check out this timeline of when Stegosaurus and T-Rex existed vs humans. We are chronologically closer to T-Rex than T-Rex was to Stegosaurus:

Agree . It just seems to me that every other living thing on this planet is kind of what it is. Of course people have domesticated and trained animals for eons , but left alone, they are what they are and do what they do. We know animals higher up can learn to a degree but they seem to be confined by either their mind or physical attributes to accomplish what they’re thinking ,or both. Now if you take the rate of evolution we supposedly went through and consider what modern humans have accomplished in such a speck in time respectively,not to mention we are perfectly equipped to that far mentally. We wouldn’t last long here if we attempted to live where and how wild creatures do. our brains as a species, is constantly continuing its capacities to not only think and create but to make the tools to complete them. How come nothing else is exhibiting this continuing evolution

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I think animals are smarter than we give them credit for, but it's hard not to define "intelligence" through the lens of the human experience...

As you stated ,there is very little middle ground between our reality and an animals reality.We are made of the same stuff and no doubt animals can love and be happy.When we reached the level of self realization we were sort of forced into our current trajectory. An obscure book by a Jesuit priest on our evolution of consciousness. The phenomenon of man by Thielhard De Chardin. Helped me to think about this.

I agree with that but it doesn’t explain why they’re not evolving at our rate ,either physically to use their thoughts or mentally to even have them

Mankind creates. Thats exceptional
Wild things have natural instincts. So do we but our intelligence as a species grows far beyond instinct

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I agree with that but it doesn’t explain why they’re not evolving at our rate ,either physically to use their thoughts or mentally to even have them

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Think of a dolphin,happy and free .All they can eat.Why would they want to crawl out and join this chat? They simply don't need self realization to live comfortably. Dogs don't need to evolve as long as we feed them.