ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize

Matt Rize said:
Still somewhat moist: yes, but the point is to not push it through the screen, but to let the micorplane do the work.
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Not sure what you mean by micorplane....let me know brotha! im gettin ready to do a hash run today. ive realized ive never made hash with pure bud. what is your opinion comparing shake hash to bud hash? i dont use fan leaves, only sugar leaves.
 
aeviaanah said:
Not sure what you mean by micorplane....let me know brotha! im gettin ready to do a hash run today. ive realized ive never made hash with pure bud. what is your opinion comparing shake hash to bud hash? i dont use fan leaves, only sugar leaves.
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Microplane is a name brand for graters. Sorry, I also spelled it wrong in that last post.
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I've made hash with buds many times. It's not that easy because you have to break the buds up really well, trim is ready to wash. But buds made great hash if you take the time to break them up, without smashing all the trichomes...
 
ok so the microplane breaks it up and it falls on the screen and through it? the stuff that doesnt fall through, gets microplaned again so it does fall through? nice tek bro!
 
aeviaanah said:
ok so the microplane breaks it up and it falls on the screen and through it? the stuff that doesnt fall through, gets microplaned again so it does fall through? nice tek bro!
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that was my old technique, training wheels if you will :) because your hash patty will break up into chunks if it's too wet or too thin.

Now I just use the microplane grater and a teflon coated baking sheet. If you use a non-teflon baking sheet, or anything else really, the hash will stick to it and you will have to deal with that. As the broken up hash dries I move it around and "cut" up the clumps with a plastic card, lol, real high tek :)

My tip for your first run is to not over agitate, do it gently and slowly for a longer amount of time. Assuming you are hand stirring. I used to hand stir for a hour with a large wooden spoon, tag-team with a buddy. The more ice:water, the harder to stir, but colder is better so do some arm and back stretching.
 
Matt Rize said:
that was my old technique, training wheels if you will :) because your hash patty will break up into chunks if it's too wet or too thin.

Now I just use the microplane grater and a teflon coated baking sheet. If you use a non-teflon baking sheet, or anything else really, the hash will stick to it and you will have to deal with that. As the broken up hash dries I move it around and "cut" up the clumps with a plastic card, lol, real high tek :)

My tip for your first run is to not over agitate, do it gently and slowly for a longer amount of time. Assuming you are hand stirring. I used to hand stir for a hour with a large wooden spoon, tag-team with a buddy. The more ice:water, the harder to stir, but colder is better so do some arm and back stretching.
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right on...i usually do agressive hand stir for about 10-15 minutes. An hour eh? this is giving much better results?
 
Matt Rize said:
My tip for your first run is to not over agitate, do it gently and slowly for a longer amount of time. Assuming you are hand stirring. I used to hand stir for a hour with a large wooden spoon, tag-team with a buddy. The more ice:water, the harder to stir, but colder is better so do some arm and back stretching.
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what is the consequence if I over agitate?

BTW... I requested this a sticky with potroast. and also, thanks for the rep! you bumped me to mr. ganja!
 
stoneyluv said:
what is the consequence if I over agitate?

BTW... I requested this a sticky with potroast. and also, thanks for the rep! you bumped me to mr. ganja!
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if you over agitate the hash will be contaminated with broken up bits of plant matter, green stuff. I've been cutting back my agitation over the course of the past couple years. Now I do 15 to 30 minutes of "soft" setting agitation. I used to do an hour. Fresh trim gets agitated slightly longer than the dry.


And thank you :)
 
Matt Rize said:
Third: Is the debate on using fresh (still wet) trim versus using dried (and cured) trim. We'll get to that later. For now, use dried/cured trim, and let it soak for a good twenty minutes before beginning agitation.
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Did this debate ever happen? I'm interested to hear your pros/cons of each. Wet trim seems less of a contamination risk, but drying and properly curing increases potency (at least for buds...it's the same trichomes). I use wet myself...frozen until used...
 
Jerry Garcia said:
Did this debate ever happen? I'm interested to hear your pros/cons of each. Wet trim seems less of a contamination risk, but drying and properly curing increases potency (at least for buds...it's the same trichomes). I use wet myself...frozen until used...
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This debate occurs in real life for me. I've been using both, and have found comparable results. I still prefer the wet for many reasons. Mostly that you can agitate longer without contamination.

I went on the radio. Cannabis Cuts with Deejay Wiid. I shout out RIU :) My interview starts about 1 hour 28 minutes into the show.
http://podcasts.piratecatradiocafe.org/CannabisCuts/CannabisCuts-20110329.mp3
 
Jerry Garcia said:
Did this debate ever happen? I'm interested to hear your pros/cons of each. Wet trim seems less of a contamination risk, but drying and properly curing increases potency (at least for buds...it's the same trichomes). I use wet myself...frozen until used...
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there is absolutely no evidence that a properly cured sugar or fan leaf has more potency, in addition, it does become substantially more brittle as well as there is some evidence (based on experimentation) that the trichome heads do tend to degrade over the span of a long cure, and there are decreased yields in even well cured trim vs wet (aka fresh) trim...
 
Hey fantastic post man. Thanks for getting this all together. I wish I would have seen this before I picked up my set of bags... I went with the 1 gal 4 bag set and am wondering how thigs will work out.

So that set looks like...
-1 gallon 220 micron work bag
-1 gallon 160 micron contaminant removal bag
-1 gallon 73 micron crystal collection bag
-1 gallon 25 micron crystal collection bag

Should I use the 73 or 25? you stop at 45... so is the 25 just going to be a bitch to drain and separate the green, but the 73 too big to catch the good stuff? and for indoor, use the 160 as the "food grade" bag?

just way too much shit to sort out. Thanks man.
 
porterhouse said:
Hey fantastic post man. Thanks for getting this all together. I wish I would have seen this before I picked up my set of bags... I went with the 1 gal 4 bag set and am wondering how thigs will work out.

So that set looks like...
-1 gallon 220 micron work bag
-1 gallon 160 micron contaminant removal bag
-1 gallon 73 micron crystal collection bag
-1 gallon 25 micron crystal collection bag

Should I use the 73 or 25? you stop at 45... so is the 25 just going to be a bitch to drain and separate the green, but the 73 too big to catch the good stuff? and for indoor, use the 160 as the "food grade" bag?

just way too much shit to sort out. Thanks man.
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Did you get the one off ebay? Sort by cheapest price? Yea this is what i did. The bags will get you hash but not very economical...working in a one gallon bag isnt that comfortable. For a small 3-5 plant harvest they are just fine tho...
 
porterhouse said:
Hey fantastic post man. Thanks for getting this all together. I wish I would have seen this before I picked up my set of bags... I went with the 1 gal 4 bag set and am wondering how thigs will work out.

So that set looks like...
-1 gallon 220 micron work bag
-1 gallon 160 micron contaminant removal bag
-1 gallon 73 micron crystal collection bag
-1 gallon 25 micron crystal collection bag

Should I use the 73 or 25? you stop at 45... so is the 25 just going to be a bitch to drain and separate the green, but the 73 too big to catch the good stuff? and for indoor, use the 160 as the "food grade" bag?

just way too much shit to sort out. Thanks man.
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i didnt get the 25 bag but mine is 45 or something. i like the 90 micron myself. with what you got, i think you will like the 73 the best. different plants bare different size trichomb heads, you may find a higher quality hash in one bag per strain as opposed to another bag, different strain.
 
nl3004.kind said:
there is absolutely no evidence that a properly cured sugar or fan leaf has more potency, in addition, it does become substantially more brittle as well as there is some evidence (based on experimentation) that the trichome heads do tend to degrade over the span of a long cure, and there are decreased yields in even well cured trim vs wet (aka fresh) trim...
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i agree i like using wet trim reduced for a day and then put in freezer, but doesnt thc conversion happen within the trichomb?imo, if someone has proven curing to work on bud, it should apply to leaf matter as well. that is, since both bud and leafs have trichombs. not tryin to argue, just a friendly debate!
 
nl3004.kind said:
there is absolutely no evidence that a properly cured sugar or fan leaf has more potency, in addition, it does become substantially more brittle as well as there is some evidence (based on experimentation) that the trichome heads do tend to degrade over the span of a long cure, and there are decreased yields in even well cured trim vs wet (aka fresh) trim...
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Than time span is about 6 months from my experience. There is also a factor relating the genetics. Some varieties tend to make hash that holds up better over a long time. I do long term storage of hash samples for testing. Ancient hash culture considered hash premature until it had aged months to years depending on the specific culture.

Just made some amazing full melt blackberry kush bubble from outdoor that was dry and stored since november.
 
porterhouse said:
Hey fantastic post man. Thanks for getting this all together. I wish I would have seen this before I picked up my set of bags... I went with the 1 gal 4 bag set and am wondering how thigs will work out.

So that set looks like...
-1 gallon 220 micron work bag
-1 gallon 160 micron contaminant removal bag
-1 gallon 73 micron crystal collection bag
-1 gallon 25 micron crystal collection bag

Should I use the 73 or 25? you stop at 45... so is the 25 just going to be a bitch to drain and separate the green, but the 73 too big to catch the good stuff? and for indoor, use the 160 as the "food grade" bag?

just way too much shit to sort out. Thanks man.
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25 to 45 is garbage imo. Folks like it because it's better than nothing. But I smoke hash all day and night and can't mess around with mid-grade bubble. And yes, that 25 bag drains slow as hell, all the contaminants you've rinsed through your "catcher" screen gets stuck in the 25.

For indoor or outdoor, there is very little difference when it comes to trichomes heads. The 76 will catch primo hash, but you will loose some, 45 to 76, so if you have the time just use all 3 and keep the grades separate. Then smoke them separately on different days and tell us what you think.

My set up is technically three bags. A 220 in the machine. Then a 120 or 160, usually 160, I throw that out now and cook with primo :) . Then a 45 to catch the primo. Melt depends on variety and how well it was grown. Some popular full melt varieties are sour d, blackberry kush, og, blue dream.
 
aeviaanah said:
i didnt get the 25 bag but mine is 45 or something. i like the 90 micron myself. with what you got, i think you will like the 73 the best. different plants bare different size trichomb heads, you may find a higher quality hash in one bag per strain as opposed to another bag, different strain.
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That is generally true. But also, most of the varieties we grow are hybrids that are somewhere in the middle of the genetic spectrum. I've found that if you agitate correctly, then you can just catch everything 45 up, and you get (obviously) better yields. But I do my rinsing the hash thing every time. I used to use all 8 bags and figure out what was best for each variety, then I noticed it was the same bag, the white bag. Sometimes the second bag changes, for old dry material or under developed material.
 
aeviaanah said:
i agree i like using wet trim reduced for a day and then put in freezer, but doesnt thc conversion happen within the trichomb?imo, if someone has proven curing to work on bud, it should apply to leaf matter as well. that is, since both bud and leafs have trichombs. not tryin to argue, just a friendly debate!
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Decarboxylation occurs slightly as the gland heads dry. This happens after you make the hash and dry it out, the same as drying the gland heads on the plant then separating and collecting them. Decarbing really occurs when ya smoke it. Raw hash and bud has little active THC.
 
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