ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize

aeviaanah said:
Whats up brotha? Remember helpin me with the organics? Well harvest is here and ive tried some early samples and i have to say! I am never goin back to synthetic ferts, unless i am growing hydro. But never for a personal stock!

I decided to go with Earth juice lineup which i am happy with. A friend of mine gave me the General organics lineup, the bloom and grow are both vegan...ill give that lineup a try next round. How you been?
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Oh great to hear ya made it through! It only takes one good organic run to know that synthetics are for hydro. I'm real good, got my own forum starting up soon. Will keep everyone posted on that. I hear and see good results with the GO line up. Thanks for checking in. Do you plan on making hash from your trim? :)
 
Matt Rize said:
Oh great to hear ya made it through! It only takes one good organic run to know that synthetics are for hydro. I'm real good, got my own forum starting up soon. Will keep everyone posted on that. I hear and see good results with the GO line up. Thanks for checking in. Do you plan on making hash from your trim? :)
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Of course!! Yea i plan on doin a high grade hash run also...ive always made hash and butter from trim but i think i should try some high grade nugs this time. I plan on doin a tincture for the first time as well.

Have you hard of hemp wicks? I got a free sample of organic hemp wicks rolled in beeswax a great alternative to the lighter. If you havent tried them, you will be surprised at how much better your hash/marijuana will taste!
 
RPsmoke420 said:
I would say it is preferred, based mostly on taste or flavor. Dry sift generally has better terpene profile. Better smell/taste. Easier to "sprinkle" on your bud. Some people complain about effecient ways of smoking bubble. Most dispensaries prefer pressed, and many patients are unsure of how to smoke the pressed hash. That what I have found anyway.

I would say bubble has the ability to be high potency, due to less "filler" or plant material. Matt posted results of 51% THC IIRC. I do not think dry sift could get that high, but I could be wrong. I think there is also much more to it, then a simple THC level, so maybe the terpenes in the dry sift make up for it? Not sure.

Some people like making dry sift, then taking those buds and using them for edibles after getting the kif. Dry sift wont get all the resin, so you have some left to work with.

As a casual run, I'd say dry sift is more convenient. If you have a tumbler, throw it it, tumble for a short while, collect. Bubble has a couple extra steps due to water. Still super easy and chill.

Maybe get the tumbler this time around. Later on, grab a couple bubblebags. Then you can go back and forth depending on your stash, and preference. Just a thought.
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Great info RP! muchas gracias..

This is my first real hash venture and I'm totally naive and have too many questions, but I'm sure I'll be finding out what's what once I get to making my own extractions.

Although, you mentioned sprinkling the keef onto a bowl, I've always pressed my keef and heated it in to a malleable ball. I noticed when I did this it tasted better than the initial keef, or was I just imagining things...
 
upthearsenal said:
Although, you mentioned sprinkling the keef onto a bowl, I've always pressed my keef and heated it in to a malleable ball. I noticed when I did this it tasted better than the initial keef, or was I just imagining things...
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there are so many opinions on this. I think pressing/heating releases the terpenes, so can taste some of them before they get burnt. but i usually don't press or heat either.
 
aeviaanah said:
I decided to go with Earth juice lineup which i am happy with. A friend of mine gave me the General organics lineup, the bloom and grow are both vegan...ill give that lineup a try next round. How you been?
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I've been using the GO for a while now and I'm quite happy with it.

Also, I much prefer bubble to dry sift.

Some good tips in this thread Matt!
 
upthearsenal said:
Great info RP! muchas gracias..

This is my first real hash venture and I'm totally naive and have too many questions, but I'm sure I'll be finding out what's what once I get to making my own extractions.

Although, you mentioned sprinkling the keef onto a bowl, I've always pressed my keef and heated it in to a malleable ball. I noticed when I did this it tasted better than the initial keef, or was I just imagining things...
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No worries brother. We all started somewhere, ya know? happy to help. Honestly.

Which way are you leaning? bubble or dry? You looking into a tumbler machine, right?

You can also check out Sprung bags. Quality stuff, just not cool colors like Bubblebags. A little more affordable. Not sure what those tumbler machines are running, but I'm sure it's up there.

Matt Rize said:
there are so many opinions on this. I think pressing/heating releases the terpenes, so can taste some of them before they get burnt. but i usually don't press or heat either.
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Yup, and I'd be of a different opinion. lol

I think by "sprinkling" kif onto the bowl, you keep the trichomes motsly intact. I feel this also traps some of the terpenes. But I feel the heat of the fire instantly release this and since you are hitting the pipe (bong, whatever) it goes straight to your head. Where as pressing before hand, releases some into "air" and oils left on your fingers etc. I'd say unpressed has a more flower-like taste where pressed taste more like traditional hash.

Really, no wrong way about it (to an extent, of course). Just personal preference.
 
RPsmoke420 said:
No worries brother. We all started somewhere, ya know? happy to help. Honestly.

Which way are you leaning? bubble or dry? You looking into a tumbler machine, right?

You can also check out Sprung bags. Quality stuff, just not cool colors like Bubblebags. A little more affordable. Not sure what those tumbler machines are running, but I'm sure it's up there.
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Yeah, the tumbler is about 350, I wouldn't say cost is an issue for me. I do like the idea of the tumbler, but as of now I'm still on the fence, haha.. I have time to figure it out, I haven't had that "aha" moment, you know...

I do have one question though, what's best for trim alone? I like the tumbler to keef out nugs, yet I'm also going to have a lot of trim and I was talking to a cousin of mine earlier today and he mentioned that if you use trim in a tumbler it's not that great. Although, that might just be his opinion...

@aeviaanah, I checked out that thread and would definitely like too see how to make one.
 
upthearsenal said:
I do have one question though, what's best for trim alone? I like the tumbler to keef out nugs, yet I'm also going to have a lot of trim and I was talking to a cousin of mine earlier today and he mentioned that if you use trim in a tumbler it's not that great. Although, that might just be his opinion...
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He might just think that because the quality of the trichs/resin on the trim isn't as good as it is on the bud? I could be wrong about that but I've read several posts stating "ya get out what ya put in" or "the quality of the hash is dependent on the quality of the starting materilal."

upthearsenal said:
@aeviaanah, I checked out that thread and would definitely like too see how to make one.
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Going to aforementioned thread now!
 
doowmd said:
He might just think that because the quality of the trichs/resin on the trim isn't as good as it is on the bud? I could be wrong about that but I've read several posts stating "ya get out what ya put in" or "the quality of the hash is dependent on the quality of the starting materilal."


Going to aforementioned thread now!
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I worded that poorly, what I meant was he basically said that if you use trim in a tumbler you'll get more contaminants than if you used trim with bubble bags.
 
upthearsenal said:
I worded that poorly, what I meant was he basically said that if you use trim in a tumbler you'll get more contaminants than if you used trim with bubble bags.
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It's all good, I just get a little "helpful" at times when it's not necessary .
On a side note, have u been to the DIY keif box thread since the blueprints for it were posted? I don't really dig the 3d views and wat-not. Wish it was just written instruction or better yet pics of the building process! What'd u think?
 
upthearsenal said:
I worded that poorly, what I meant was he basically said that if you use trim in a tumbler you'll get more contaminants than if you used trim with bubble bags.
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Yeah bwoi! Great to see uptheA here.

The trick to making great kif is resifting. The folks making the really nice kif I've seen are taking the product from the tumbler, then hand sifting that through box screens. The hand sift is nice and gentle and cleans up the better grades. Oh, and they are using the same size microns as the hash makers. Trichomes heads are trichome heads. IMO from 45 to 120 (or 160).

The only reason I like bubble so much is because it's easy to get rid of the 0 to 45 micron particles, they flow through the smallest bag I use (45) and all the tiny specks of PM and dust (or whatever) are removed.

But you can remove the lower size particles with kif too. It's counter intuitive. You can sift on a 45 micron kif screen and collect the 0-45 particles. Then collect your 45-120 dry sift from on top of the screen.
 
upthearsenal said:
Yeah, the tumbler is about 350, I wouldn't say cost is an issue for me. I do like the idea of the tumbler, but as of now I'm still on the fence, haha.. I have time to figure it out, I haven't had that "aha" moment, you know...

I do have one question though, what's best for trim alone? I like the tumbler to keef out nugs, yet I'm also going to have a lot of trim and I was talking to a cousin of mine earlier today and he mentioned that if you use trim in a tumbler it's not that great. Although, that might just be his opinion...

@aeviaanah, I checked out that thread and would definitely like too see how to make one.
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IMHO - In general, for trim alone, bubblebags will get you the best/most return for your effort. Generally the water has a better chance at getting "it all". You will be able to keep filler/cooking grade/smoke qualities separate.

I've seen some guys do a light run on dry sift using the popcorn/duff. Got some quality kif. Then took the buds to make butter. It was decent. Not really an option with soaking wet trim out of the bags.

And to be honest, if you make quality kif with different screens like what Matt talked about... it's hard to beat.

Bags are nice to use as "trash bags" to. You'll get something out of nothing. Might just be cooking grade... but I don't think it'd be worth dry sifting some of the skuff. More effort.
 
Sorry, those are huge, I'll reload them smaller. Here is some kief:
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whats up matt...how you been? which bubble bags you recommend? found any good ones for a reasonable price? i need to upgrade from my shitty 1 gallons to a 5gal set.
 
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