Ideas on how to achieve 90%+ voter turnout rate

Fogdog

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You should hear about Robroy and his cute little idea called Anarchocapitalism where everything he doesn't like is basically the same as rape but pedophilia is consensual. If you think special needs kids are fascinating, just wait until you get a load of fedora wearing neckbeard teenagers with cheetoh fingers who just finished reading The Virtue of Selfishness by Ayn Rand.
I've had my rounds with RR. He's well read, can read a post and hold a conversation, unlike some. He's a Utopian and discussions with him became tiresome so I don't engage in discussion with him anymore but I like him. Unlike Ayn Rand, who managed to turn a 2-page idea into entire novels, yeesh, reading her made me feel like I was undergoing Alex's aversion therapy in The Clockwork Orange. Come to think of it, reading a book by RR might be as bad.

I was a pain in the ass teenager once myself, so I'm willing to give them a pass. Nobody makes us engage in dialogue. I'm pretty much done with that stick figure character, other than sending a few barbs his way every now and then. He should put me on ignore.
 

abandonconflict

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I've had my rounds with RR. He's well read, can read a post and hold a conversation, unlike some. He's a Utopian and discussions with him became tiresome so I don't engage in discussion with him anymore but I like him. Unlike Ayn Rand, who managed to turn a 2-page idea into entire novels, yeesh, reading her made me feel like I was undergoing Alex's aversion therapy in The Clockwork Orange. Come to think of it, reading a book by RR might be as bad.

I was a pain in the ass teenager once myself, so I'm willing to give them a pass. Nobody makes us engage in dialogue. I'm pretty much done with that stick figure character, other than sending a few barbs his way every now and then. He should put me on ignore.
Robroy follows me from thread to thread because he is obsessed with my Veteran's disability and writes me several long diatribes per day which I just gloss over and reply with flippant retorts to the first fallacy I come across. Nobody actually reads his posts in entirety. He is the least entertaining poster on the board but some of his views are rather vile. Like the support for racial discrimination and describing pedophilia as consensual. I would call his neofeudalist views more dystopian than utopian.
 

sheskunk

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Robroy follows me from thread to thread because he is obsessed with my Veteran's disability and writes me several long diatribes per day which I just gloss over and reply with flippant retorts to the first fallacy I come across. Nobody actually reads his posts in entirety. He is the least entertaining poster on the board but some of his views are rather vile. Like the support for racial discrimination and describing pedophilia as consensual. I would call his neofeudalist views more dystopian than utopian.

Looks to me like it is you following him. In fact it was you who just brought him into the conversation.

Plane ticket or you're a liar.
 

Padawanbater2

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OK, I over-did the "informed" part. But the people who vote do care enough to go to the polls. Which means they've at least thought about who to vote for.
Why would someone apathetic to the political system vote, and why would you conclude that if someone decides not to vote that means they don't care? Not voting can be a form of protest in itself
 

Fogdog

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Robroy follows me from thread to thread because he is obsessed with my Veteran's disability and writes me several long diatribes per day which I just gloss over and reply with flippant retorts to the first fallacy I come across. Nobody actually reads his posts in entirety. He is the least entertaining poster on the board but some of his views are rather vile. Like the support for racial discrimination and describing pedophilia as consensual. I would call his neofeudalist views more dystopian than utopian.
Looks to me like it is you following him. In fact it was you who just brought him into the conversation.

Plane ticket or you're a liar.
I'll say another thing though, the habit some have of following others from thread to thread is worrisome to me. My primary reason for coming to Rollitup is to learn from others on how to growitup. Lately, I've been coming here for amusement and to see what some really sharp minds have to say and to stir the pot a bit myself. I'd like to have the atmosphere sharp but amiable. Some people seem to have formed this animosity similar to the Star Trek episode where a character became obsessed with destroying his analogue in a parallel universe. It wouldn't be very interesting if everybody just agreed. I think it would be good if people could just let it go. I also wouldn't want to attract the same seeker-hunter on me. I'd probably just go back to lurking or use the ignore feature so that I could get on with it. I don't know if that would work for everybody though.
 

TBoneJack

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Why would someone apathetic to the political system vote, and why would you conclude that if someone decides not to vote that means they don't care? Not voting can be a form of protest in itself
I don't think "no votes" occur for reasons of protest very often. By and large, "no votes" signify ignorance or "I just don't care (anymore)". But not always, I know.

There may be a large number of "no votes" in elections that are anticipated to be landslides. Since it takes effort to vote, people may abstain if they feel their candidate has no chance; and some may abstain if they feel their candidate is assured to win.
 
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TBoneJack

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Oregon has been voting by mail for quite a while now. NONE of the issues raised by the opposition has turned out to be true. No issues with fraud, turnout is better (but not great on non-presidential election years) and its easier to sit down with a cup of coffee and cast your vote while at home with information available for double checking. Easier and better at the same time. You are living in the past, use today's tech and make it easier to vote.
Well, you make it sound kinda OK...

I'm all for making it easy for informed people to cast their vote. I just want fair elections. And it sounds like e-voting could be problematic.

See the Obamacare website debacle story.

So how does Oregon assure fraud-free e-voting?
 

Fogdog

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Well, you make it sound kinda OK...

I'm all for making it easy for informed people to cast their vote. I just want fair elections. And it sounds like e-voting could be problematic.

See the Obamacare website debacle story.

So how does Oregon assure fraud-free e-voting?
Oregon was the worst state in the nation in rolling out Obamacare, a real true 100% fiasco. My take on it was that the state over-reached by trying to integrate several Oregon-based health services along with the insurance exchange mandated by the ACA. Oracle, the main contractor took advantage and the whole thing spun out of control. Let it be a lesson that small states should be cautious about launching visionary network services. So, yeah, Oregon is probably the last place to develop e-voting without assistance from other agencies.

This is what happens in our vote by mail system.

Well before election day, we receive a package containing our ballot and an unmarked secrecy envelope with no traceable information on it. The package also contains a second envelope that has our name on it and a place to for our signature. Also, the usual election information is included in the package.

We have several weeks to send the ballot in. If we wait too long and the mail can't carry the ballot to an election center in time for counting, procrastinators like me can drop the ballot off to special mail boxes up until the last minute of the election day.

The way the ballot is cast goes like this: I fill out the ballot at home as I would in a booth, blacking out boxes on the ballot with a dark pencil or pen. The ballot is then placed in the un-marked secrecy envelope and the envelope is sealed. The secrecy envelope is placed in the second envelope, which carries my name. I sign this envelope to attest that I'm the one that filled out the ballot inside. The ballots are then sent to the election center.

In the election center, representatives of the major parties witness the counting of the ballots, including the verification that each ballot was cast in a validated envelope. The parties are pretty good at tracking who votes. My party becomes a pain in the ass until they see that my vote was registered. Because I'm always voting last minute, I get a phone call almost every night leading up to the election day. The actual vote count is done by opening the secrecy envelope which does not contain my name. At this point I have no visibility of the process but the system is mandated by law to keep my vote secret.

Votes have been counted and posted pretty quickly on election day.

The system has been clean except for one instance (that we know of) On the last presidential election, there was one clerk in one office caught filling in blanks on ballots that were not completely filled in by the voter. She was caught out by a co-worker.

http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2013/04/25/clackamas-election-worker-gets.html

I hope this helps. Ask away if I was unclear.
 

Red1966

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Please sir, explain in further detail. What was going on?
The DNC office in Jacksonville, FL paid the residents of a privately owned, publicly supported home for handicapped people (mostly mental) and other local low or no income people to register to vote and to vote by giving them beer and cigarettes. The bus drivers went into the voting booths to "assist" the residents. I talked to two of the residents and they had no idea who "they" voted for.
 

UncleBuck

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The DNC office in Jacksonville, FL paid the residents of a privately owned, publicly supported home for handicapped people (mostly mental) and other local low or no income people to register to vote and to vote by giving them beer and cigarettes. The bus drivers went into the voting booths to "assist" the residents. I talked to two of the residents and they had no idea who "they" voted for.
and you have absolutely zero evidence for this allegation, only the word of a known liar and extremely delusional psychopath.
 

NoDrama

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@NoDrama finally managed to sound it out, do a grammar check and hit a reply button. Seventh grade level, special learning track.

Edit: Special NEEDS learning track

The thing about dealing with stupid people is that they are so stupid that they have no idea that they aren't stupid, they actually think they are intelligent.

Then they hold up a sign like you did.

 

abandonconflict

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Some day you will let the butthurt leave your body, until then Wiki will easily refute all of your claims.
You won't live it down by mistaking my lols for butt hurt. I know it rustles your jimmies so I will keep reminding you how dumb you are for copy pasting half a Wikipedia page that you didn't even read.
 

UncleBuck

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The thing about dealing with stupid people is that they are so stupid that they have no idea that they aren't stupid, they actually think they are intelligent.

Then they hold up a sign like you did.

that's a tea party protester who shares your racist ideation and regressive dipshitted views.
 

UncleBuck

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You won't live it down by mistaking my lols for butt hurt. I know it rustles your jimmies so I will keep reminding you how dumb you are for copy pasting half a Wikipedia page that you didn't even read.
remind him that he got caught plagiarizing and espouses racist ideology too. that brings on the full meltdown.
 
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