abandonconflict
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So I'm just racist against those poor persecuted whites? Oh you poor gringo...
If Medicare is better than private insurance...
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UncleBuck
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The system is rigged because of whites
abandonconflict
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Communist Dreamer
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abandonconflict
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*High fives fellow oppressor of the whites!
abandonconflict
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Try not to get chased out of any more playgrounds by mothers.
Communist Dreamer
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Try not to move next to any oppressive white men who'll beat you down just to take away all your scuba gear.
Lord Bonkey
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Padawanbater2
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No they don't. They simply prioritize critical procedures over elective ones. The needs of a heart transplant recipient would be above someone who wants to get a nose job for example. Also, the current medicare system in America is one of the most popular programs the government offers, it consistently has above a 70% approval rating
Tax people without providing them a service? Nobody supports that
abandonconflict
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So you don't want to repeal the Trump tax cuts to the rich, got it.
abandonconflict
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OK, nazi.
Padawanbater2
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You just spent two pages complaining you would have to pay higher taxes if M4A were implemented, then claimed a better plan is paying higher taxes while receiving nothing in return
abandonconflict
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You just spent two minutes not reading the thread and then showing how little you know about the whole debate.
32 trillion dollars in addional government spending for a healthcare bill that gives me coverage I don't want or need, along with everyone.
VS
About 8% of that amount to just give it to those who need it. Around two and a half trillion dollars in the first ten years.
Padawanbater2
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32 trillion instead of 35 trillion, not in addition. 35 trillion + 2.5 trillion = 37.5 trillion, no eye, hearing, or dental. No choice of employment without risking coverage, 500K medical bankruptcies/year
So explain why you believe spending 5.5 trillion more than we do now on a healthcare system that provides fewer services at lower quality than our universally covered counterparts is better
What's the plan to reduce the amount of people who use your preferred system who go bankrupt because of medical debt?
abandonconflict
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Unremitting folly...
Healthcare costs are not currently paid by the government. If nationalized, you can expect additional taxes.
Lord Bonkey
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Good healthcare should be free at point of access
hanimmal
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@xmatox
I was gong to go through point by point, but I realized I have 3 pages left still.
Obamacare's goal is to have every American insured. And the way it works is that as people make less, they pay less. It was originally intended so that when people left their jobs, they could have kept their insurance companies. But Republicans have systematically been trying to destroy it since 2010 and it was kept out of Republican states to try to get it to fail.
Fixing these holes to get the rest of the nation covered is actually a possibility, M4A is not.
How do you get to work... Roads made by the government.
How do you flush your toilet... Sewage system made by the government.
Electricity grid? Government.
on and on. Government has improved our lives in many ways and it is a convenient straw man argument.
And your 'no more loans for education' is incredibly destructive if it ever happened. You would remove the most effective way Americans have to increase their standard of living ever.
I was gong to go through point by point, but I realized I have 3 pages left still.
Obamacare's goal is to have every American insured. And the way it works is that as people make less, they pay less. It was originally intended so that when people left their jobs, they could have kept their insurance companies. But Republicans have systematically been trying to destroy it since 2010 and it was kept out of Republican states to try to get it to fail.
Fixing these holes to get the rest of the nation covered is actually a possibility, M4A is not.
So am I after saying something like that is a mathematical fact.
How do you get to work... Roads made by the government.
How do you flush your toilet... Sewage system made by the government.
Electricity grid? Government.
on and on. Government has improved our lives in many ways and it is a convenient straw man argument.
And your 'no more loans for education' is incredibly destructive if it ever happened. You would remove the most effective way Americans have to increase their standard of living ever.
I lived most of my life with universal health care where the government dictated what we could do. Was awesome. We could do a lot more than Americans on average. Never heard anybody say, “I need teeth work done but can’t afford it.” So people who don’t like it are idiots who believe the hype. Now there are some very unfortunate individuals who have very rare diseases that affect only dozens of people and the cost of treatment in the millions which are not covered, they do suffer and have to travel overseas for treatment. They have a right to bitch, but in all honesty I’m today’s world they just start a go fund me thing and usually get the treatment they need.
Ever heard of Africa? A continent that is so corrupt that people have to pay a bribe to built a hut in shanty towns. Whites hold no patent on corruption. Dude you just go after the low hanging fruit.
Rob Roy
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When you say "good healthcare should be free", do you really mean it should be forcibly subsidized
and you're okay with some people threatening the use of guns against those that refuse to comply?
If you don't mean that, how would this "free" part work?