TheBrutalTruth
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True about the ennui that lead to it being passed, "Tax the rich." Never mind that to some one who has nothing everyone is rich...
I hope you're joking about the consideration of a VAT...
INCOME TAXES ARE ILLEGAL: so don't pay.
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I hope you're joking about the consideration of a VAT...
Rob Roy
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We need a central government?
Yes we need them to manage every aspect of our lives too.
Critical to a vital economy?
Hey I know let's give ALL of our money to the government because umm they're fiscally responsible and will take good care of us.
Pay for military ? We spend almost as much as the rest of the world combined on military...that might be related to why we have the highest debt.
Infrastructure ? Gas Tax?
Crisis Management ? You're funny.
CrackerJax
New Member
Frankly, federal tax or no federal tax, the US screwed up when it went off the gold standard and began a fiat currency. The bloat began right after and is now in high gear and out of control. It's a matter of degrees, not right or wrong.
TreesOfLife
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There is a clip from his Cnn days where he says Ron Paul supporters are terrorists for raising money on the 5th of November in memory of Guy Fox, he strawmans FEMA camps, he says how he is SO sick of 9/11 Victims families and didn't know he could hate a group so much, there is another sound clip from his radio show you can find easily where he makes a caller sound like a loony toon for mentioning Bohemian Grove and leaves you with well it could be true after that, and he is just a flat out liar he baits you in with bits of truth.
DirtyDog420
Active Member
What a bunch of anti America Americans we have here.. shut the f$$$ up and pay... Otherwise get the hell out.. The country needs money to run...
TreesOfLife
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Dissent is as American as it gets sir. Like I said with my info I posted if you want to HATE, post LINKS to the LAW that states you MUST PAY.
Rob Roy
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"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free" -JW Goethe
Hate to tell ya buddy, but I am pretty certain that the Boston Tea Party was precisely how "America" got started. Unfair TAXATION was what that was about. Would you care to know that this country had NO income tax longer than it has had one? Whats so American about the income tax? Are we the only country that pays it? Whats so UNamerican about wanting fairness? We only want our country to be better than it is, we love our country just as much as you do. The ultimate patriot is not someone who blindly follows the leader, but one who dissents and questions authority.
This isn't about taxes in general, I don't mind paying taxes on items, like sales tax and stuff. No this is about the INCOME TAX. The income tax pays for Nothing except for the interest. In no way does your tax dollar go to pay for any government service or to help build roads or bridges or to wage war against others.
kubrickzghost
New Member
You couldn't be more wrong. Get off the bandwagon and stop blaming prop 13.
kubrickzghost
New Member
That's opinionated. Either way, he's a barking dog for the right causes.
olosto
New Member
He's a liar and a sensationalist.
what... huh?
Active Member
Purdy much.
Borrowed
"Of the 48 states, here's the story:
[*]Eight states (Rhode Island, Utah, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Kentucky, Florida, Virginia and Pennsylvania) did not approve or ratify the amendment.
[*]Texas and Louisiana were forbidden by their own state constitutions to empower the federal government to tax.
[*]Vermont and Massachusetts rejected the amendment with a recorded vote count, and only later declared it passed without a recorded vote after the amendment was declared ratified by Knox.
[*]Tennessee, Ohio, Mississippi, California and Washington violated their state constitutions in their ratification procedures.
[*]Minnesota did not send any copy of its resolution to Knox, let alone a signed and sealed one, as required.
[*]And Oklahoma, Georgia and Illinois made unacceptable changes in wording. (Some of the above states also made such changes, in addition to their other unacceptable procedures.)
Unfair because it lacked representation.
We have representation. They just don't give a sh1t, because there is no consequence to their misrepresentation. It is the nature of our system.
Loftiest
Member
Doesn't matter if they may have violated their state constitutions or not. What bearing does that have on the amendment itself, if that's indeed true? Kansas could amend their state constitution to declare that they'll not send their National Guard soldiers abroad. What would that do? Absolutely nothing.
Could you please provide a link as to where that information came from?
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/html/conamt.html
Amendment XVI.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on
incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or
enumeration.
The Sixteenth Amendment was proposed by Congress on July 12,
1909, when it passed the House, 44 Cong. Rec. (61st Cong., 1st Sess.)
4390, 4440, 4441, having previously passed the Senate on July 5. Id.,
4121. It appears officially in 36 Stat. 184. Ratification was completed
on February 3, 1913, when the legislature of the thirty-sixth State
(Delaware, Wyoming, or New Mexico) approved the amendment, there being
then 48 States in the Union. On February 25, 1913, Secretary of State
Knox certified that this amendment had become a part of the
Constitution. 37 Stat. 1785.
The several state legislatures ratified the Sixteenth Amendment
on the following dates: Alabama, August 10, 1909; Kentucky, February 8,
1910; South Carolina, February 19, 1910; Illinois, March 1, 1910;
Mississippi, March 7, 1910; Oklahoma, March 10, 1910; Maryland, April 8,
1910; Georgia, August 3, 1910; Texas, August 16, 1910; Ohio, January 19,
1911; Idaho, January 20, 1911; Oregon, January 23, 1911; Washington,
January 26, 1911; Montana, January 27, 1911; Indiana, January 30, 1911;
California, January 31, 1911; Nevada, January 31, 1911; South Dakota,
February 1, 1911; Nebraska, February 9, 1911; North Carolina, February
11, 1911; Colorado, February 15, 1911; North Dakota, February 17, 1911;
Michigan, February 23, 1911; Iowa, February 24, 1911; Kansas, March 2,
1911; Missouri, March 16, 1911; Maine, March 31, 1911; Tennessee, April
7, 1911; Arkansas, April 22, 1911 (after having rejected the amendment
at the session begun January 9, 1911); Wisconsin, May 16, 1911; New
York, July 12, 1911; Arizona, April 3, 1912; Minnesota, June 11, 1912;
Louisiana, June 28, 1912; West Virginia, January 31, 1913; Delaware,
February 3, 1913; Wyoming, February 3, 1913; New Mexico, February 3,
1913; New Jersey, February 4, 1913; Vermont, February 19, 1913;
Massachusetts, March 4, 1913; New Hampshire, March 7, 1913 (after having
rejected the amendment on March 2, 1911). The amendment was rejected
(and not subsequently ratified) by Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Utah.
As you can see, that's forty-two states.
what... huh?
Active Member
We the People Foundation for Constitutional education. Same guy that the OP was referring to founded the org... and these were the results of his research. Feel free to research. I do not post the original link because it is not relevant in that it offers no links to the evidence or documents. I am familiar only through history.
Loftiest
Member
So just to clarify, we're six pages in and none of you have really provided evidence that it's illegal.
TreesOfLife
Well-Known Member
WAKE UP PEOPLE I POSTED THE DEFINITION OF INCOME THAT STATES YOU MOST LIKELY WILL NEVER PAY INCOME TAX EVER. BREAK YOUR SLAVE CHAINS PLEASE.
END RANT!
END RANT!
Loftiest
Member
What's great is that you actually provided proof that income derived from labor is taxable. The thing is, you don't know how to comprehend what you read. So you linked to this: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00000861----000-.htmlWAKE UP PEOPLE I POSTED THE DEFINITION OF INCOME THAT STATES YOU MOST LIKELY WILL NEVER PAY INCOME TAX EVER. BREAK YOUR SLAVE CHAINS PLEASE.
END RANT!
So it begins with this heading: (a) Gross income from sources within United States
The following items of gross income shall be treated as income from sources within the United States:
(1) Interest
(2) Dividends
(3) Personal services
It's within section three that you misread what it states:
(3) Personal services Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United States; except that compensation for labor or services performed in the United States shall not be deemed to be income from sources within the United States if-
The first sentence reads "Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United States;" There's a semicolon there to show the end of the sentence. So the sentence reads that compensation derived from labor or personal services is taxable, given it's a subsection of (a).
The second sentence goes on to show that there are some exceptions from labor being taxed. The exceptions are listed as A, B, and C:
(A) the labor or services are performed by a nonresident alien individual temporarily present in the United States for a period or periods not exceeding a total of 90 days during the taxable year
(B) such compensation does not exceed $3,000 in the aggregate, and
(C) the compensation is for labor or services performed as an employee of or under a contract with (i) a nonresident alien, foreign partnership, or foreign corporation, not engaged in trade or business within the United States, or
(ii) an individual who is a citizen or resident of the United States, a domestic partnership, or a domestic corporation, if such labor or services are performed for an office or place of business maintained in a foreign country or in a possession of the United States by such individual, partnership, or corporation.
This political forum consists of very little more than conspiracy theories and idiocy.
Loftiest
Member
http://www2.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00006151----000-.html
(a) General rule Except as otherwise provided in this subchapter, when a return of tax is required under this title or regulations, the person required to make such return shall, without assessment or notice and demand from the Secretary, pay such tax to the internal revenue officer with whom the return is filed, and shall pay such tax at the time and place fixed for filing the return (determined without regard to any extension of time for filing the return).
(b) Exceptions (1) Income tax not computed by taxpayer If the taxpayer elects under section 6014 not to show the tax on the return, the amount determined by the Secretary as payable shall be paid within 30 days after the mailing by the Secretary to the taxpayer of a notice stating such amount and making demand therefor.
(2) Use of government depositaries For authority of the Secretary to require payments to Government depositaries, see section 6302 (c).
(c) Date fixed for payment of tax In any case in which a tax is required to be paid on or before a certain date, or within a certain period, any reference in this title to the date fixed for payment of such tax shall be deemed a reference to the last day fixed for such payment (determined without regard to any extension of time for paying the tax.)
There it is. This thread is basically done.