INCOME TAXES ARE ILLEGAL: so don't pay.

Loftiest said:

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This political forum consists of very little more than conspiracy theories and idiocy.

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Your about right, I never run across people that have such utter lack of critical thinking before I came on this forum.

Loftiest said:

What's great is that you actually provided proof that income derived from labor is taxable. The thing is, you don't know how to comprehend what you read. So you linked to this: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00000861----000-.html

So it begins with this heading: (a) Gross income from sources within United States
The following items of gross income shall be treated as income from sources within the United States:

(1) Interest
(2) Dividends
(3) Personal services

It's within section three that you misread what it states:

(3) Personal services Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United States; except that compensation for labor or services performed in the United States shall not be deemed to be income from sources within the United States if-

The first sentence reads "Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United States;" There's a semicolon there to show the end of the sentence. So the sentence reads that compensation derived from labor or personal services is taxable, given it's a subsection of (a).

The second sentence goes on to show that there are some exceptions from labor being taxed. The exceptions are listed as A, B, and C:

(A) the labor or services are performed by a nonresident alien individual temporarily present in the United States for a period or periods not exceeding a total of 90 days during the taxable year

(B) such compensation does not exceed $3,000 in the aggregate, and


(C) the compensation is for labor or services performed as an employee of or under a contract with (i) a nonresident alien, foreign partnership, or foreign corporation, not engaged in trade or business within the United States, or
(ii) an individual who is a citizen or resident of the United States, a domestic partnership, or a domestic corporation, if such labor or services are performed for an office or place of business maintained in a foreign country or in a possession of the United States by such individual, partnership, or corporation.

This political forum consists of very little more than conspiracy theories and idiocy.

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http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=4D56435158F5CBE8&search_query=income+tax+theft+by+deception Watch it and learn.

TreesOfLife said:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=4D56435158F5CBE8&search_query=income+tax+theft+by+deception Watch it and learn.

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Read it and learn: http://www.law.uc.edu/taxstories/chap01/348us426.pdf

Loftiest said:

Read it and learn: http://www.law.uc.edu/taxstories/chap01/348us426.pdf

"SEC. 22. GROSS INCOME.
"(a) GENERAL DEFINITION. -- 'Gross income' includes gains, profits, and
income derived from salaries, wages, or compensation for personal service . . .
of whatever kind and in whatever form paid, or from professions, vocations,
trades, businesses, commerce, or sales, or dealings in property, whether real or
personal, growing out of the ownership or use of or interest in such property;
also from interest, rent, dividends, securities, or the transaction of any business carried on for gain or profit,
or gains or profits and income derived
from any source whatever. . . ."​

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Which does absolutely nothing to refute that Income Taxes are a violation of the 14th Amendment, and that the requirement that individuals file income tax returns is a violation of the 5th, which as they are portions of the Constitution supercede any rules and regulations derived from the Constitution by the federal government.

It also fails to address the question considering the morality of using taxes collected from all for the benefit of a few, especially in the consideration of such services as welfare, government provided medical care (for non-veterans) and other items of the dole.

Liberals have erected a false god named State and grovel at its feet like peasants groveling before a king.

kubrickzghost said:

You couldn't be more wrong. Get off the bandwagon and stop blaming prop 13.

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I believe I am putting the blame sqarely where it belongs... The people wanted this shit. Now they don't want to pay for it. Either the people needed to not vote for so many programs, or they need to not bitch about paying for it when it comes time, its assnine. You can't have your cake and eat it too..
California is what the 5th largeest economy in the world? This shit can be figured out but the social programs have got to be scaled back and we have got to find a way to deal with the immagration issue because these people are leaching tax dollars from our economy.

TheBrutalTruth said:

Which does absolutely nothing to refute that Income Taxes are a violation of the 14th Amendment, and that the requirement that individuals file income tax returns is a violation of the 5th, which as they are portions of the Constitution supercede any rules and regulations derived from the Constitution by the federal government.

It also fails to address the question considering the morality of using taxes collected from all for the benefit of a few, especially in the consideration of such services as welfare, government provided medical care (for non-veterans) and other items of the dole.

Liberals have erected a false god named State and grovel at its feet like peasants groveling before a king.

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What the fuck? The Supreme Court in its judicial review role interprets the Constitution and has done so since Marbury v. Madison. What I posted was part of the majority opinion in that case which sets precedent. If you want to dispute the legality (which as of now it's deemed legal by the SUPREME COURT), then do so with actual proof, not go on a rant about morality and liberals.

Loftiest said:

Read it and learn: http://www.law.uc.edu/taxstories/chap01/348us426.pdf

"SEC. 22. GROSS INCOME.
"(a) GENERAL DEFINITION. -- 'Gross income' includes gains, profits, and
income derived from salaries, wages, or compensation for personal service . . .
of whatever kind and in whatever form paid, or from professions, vocations,
trades, businesses, commerce, or sales, or dealings in property, whether real or
personal, growing out of the ownership or use of or interest in such property;
also from interest, rent, dividends, securities, or the transaction of any business carried on for gain or profit,
or gains or profits and income derived

from any source whatever. . . ."​

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Obviously you didn't watch that video...

TreesOfLife said:

Obviously you didn't watch that video...

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Obviously I don't have to partake in a seance to know that they're bullshit either. Come on, it has come down to using YouTube clips. Does that sound like a suitable launching pad for the acquisition of knowledge?

Loftiest said:

Obviously I don't have to partake in a seance to know that they're bullshit either. Come on, it has come down to using YouTube clips. Does that sound like a suitable launching pad for the acquisition of knowledge?

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You are right. Ignorance is bliss.

TreesOfLife said:

You are right. Ignorance is bliss.

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You must feel as if you're in heaven then. Fuck it, I'll watch it.

I watched all 100 minutes of it, I was hooked from the very beginning.There are so many legal definitions of common words we take for granted their meaning, for instance the word application actually means to beg. So when you fill out an application you are filling out a beggars form. Blacks law definitions.

Anyway I had heard of this before, the idea that only foreign derived income was taxable, and that people had used this in their defense as the logic behind not paying taxes. Its a very convincing video for sure, but most people do not get away with it and end up paying a lot more than they bargained. I really liked the quote about the supreme court having decided that congress can't just go around taxing whatever they like as much as they like in an attempt to control it. I also love the federal governments definition of "Firearm", it just goes to show how deceptive the tactics are they use against the citizens to keep control of the herds.

Video was good though, extremely informative, not sure if I will cite it as reason for not payin the gun wielding jack boot wearing gubbermint sponsored IRS hit men though. Buy gold/silver instead, at least there are laws that protect it from taxation, plus reportability. that and the fact it holds its value better than anything else.

Loftiest said:

You must feel as if you're in heaven then. Fuck it, I'll watch it.

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Nope I'm just trying to help my fellow man be FREE. Once you are free then you feel as if your in Heaven.

NoDrama said:

I watched all 100 minutes of it, I was hooked from the very beginning.There are so many legal definitions of common words we take for granted their meaning, for instance the word application actually means to beg. So when you fill out an application you are filling out a beggars form. Blacks law definitions.

Anyway I had heard of this before, the idea that only foreign derived income was taxable, and that people had used this in their defense as the logic behind not paying taxes. Its a very convincing video for sure, but most people do not get away with it and end up paying a lot more than they bargained. I really liked the quote about the supreme court having decided that congress can't just go around taxing whatever they like as much as they like in an attempt to control it. I also love the federal governments definition of "Firearm", it just goes to show how deceptive the tactics are they use against the citizens to keep control of the herds.

Video was good though, extremely informative, not sure if I will cite it as reason for not payin the gun wielding jack boot wearing gubbermint sponsored IRS hit men though. Buy gold/silver instead, at least there are laws that protect it from taxation, plus reportability. that and the fact it holds its value better than anything else.

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Good idea, or you could wind up in prison like the guy who made the video.

NoDrama said:

I watched all 100 minutes of it, I was hooked from the very beginning.There are so many legal definitions of common words we take for granted their meaning, for instance the word application actually means to beg. So when you fill out an application you are filling out a beggars form. Blacks law definitions.

Anyway I had heard of this before, the idea that only foreign derived income was taxable, and that people had used this in their defense as the logic behind not paying taxes. Its a very convincing video for sure, but most people do not get away with it and end up paying a lot more than they bargained. I really liked the quote about the supreme court having decided that congress can't just go around taxing whatever they like as much as they like in an attempt to control it. I also love the federal governments definition of "Firearm", it just goes to show how deceptive the tactics are they use against the citizens to keep control of the herds.

Video was good though, extremely informative, not sure if I will cite it as reason for not payin the gun wielding jack boot wearing gubbermint sponsored IRS hit men though. Buy gold/silver instead, at least there are laws that protect it from taxation, plus reportability. that and the fact it holds its value better than anything else.

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The world as it should be, not as it is.
The freedom of the individual to achieve
the dreams that they are willing to sacrifice
everything that they have for.

The world as it is, not as it should be.
The slavery of the individual to be chained
to the mediocre, the lazy and the corrupt
who demand that the excellent be made human sacrifices.

Loftiest said:

Good idea, or you could wind up in prison like the guy who made the video.

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Why would I wind up in prison? Since Gold and Silver by law are not reportable when you purchased it, then how will the IRS ever know I have some and make me pay a tax on something that BY LAW cannot be taxed?
Completely legal.

Heard of a guy who paid his employees with gold and silver instead of cash, he made sure they were the US minted eagle coins ( Legal tender at face value). then his employees would only pay the tax on the FACE VALUE of the coin. gold is about $1,000 per ounce, a double eagle gold coin http://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=14708&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=31238 has a face value of $20 so you would only pay 15% tax, or $3. Turns out the IRS is having a terribly hard time prosecuting these people as its own Legal Tender laws have them backed into a corner. so far nothing but acquittals.

Food for thought.

NoDrama said:

Why would I wind up in prison? Since Gold and Silver by law are not reportable when you purchased it, then how will the IRS ever know I have some and make me pay a tax on something that BY LAW cannot be taxed?
Completely legal.

Heard of a guy who paid his employees with gold and silver instead of cash, he made sure they were the US minted eagle coins ( Legal tender at face value). then his employees would only pay the tax on the FACE VALUE of the coin. gold is about $1,000 per ounce, a double eagle gold coin http://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=14708&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=31238 has a face value of $20 so you would only pay 15% tax, or $3. Turns out the IRS is having a terribly hard time prosecuting these people as its own Legal Tender laws have them backed into a corner. so far nothing but acquittals.

Food for thought.

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It was obvious I was referring to this: 'Video was good though, extremely informative, not sure if I will cite it as reason for not payin the gun wielding jack boot wearing gubbermint sponsored IRS hit men though.'

Loftiest said:

http://www2.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00006151----000-.html

(a) General rule Except as otherwise provided in this subchapter, when a return of tax is required under this title or regulations, the person required to make such return shall, without assessment or notice and demand from the Secretary, pay such tax to the internal revenue officer with whom the return is filed, and shall pay such tax at the time and place fixed for filing the return (determined without regard to any extension of time for filing the return).

(b) Exceptions (1) Income tax not computed by taxpayer If the taxpayer elects under section 6014 not to show the tax on the return, the amount determined by the Secretary as payable shall be paid within 30 days after the mailing by the Secretary to the taxpayer of a notice stating such amount and making demand therefor.

(2) Use of government depositaries For authority of the Secretary to require payments to Government depositaries, see section 6302 (c).


(c) Date fixed for payment of tax In any case in which a tax is required to be paid on or before a certain date, or within a certain period, any reference in this title to the date fixed for payment of such tax shall be deemed a reference to the last day fixed for such payment (determined without regard to any extension of time for paying the tax.)

There it is. This thread is basically done.

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nope there is no answer there

Look, every generation comes to this epiphany. It's a phase. It'll pass.

You WILL pay.

ask aaron russo

Loftiest said:

Doesn't matter if they may have violated their state constitutions or not. What bearing does that have on the amendment itself, if that's indeed true? Kansas could amend their state constitution to declare that they'll not send their National Guard soldiers abroad. What would that do? Absolutely nothing.

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The question is not whether or not their local constitution was violated except as it pertains to violating the laws governing ratification of amendments of the Constitution of the United States. Violating ones own constitution for obvious political gesturing was frowned upon and it was a measure to prevent such votes being bought for favor on something so principled as THE constitution. Either one holds principals or they do not. A man without principal should never represent ours.


I promise from here on out I will site sources. I have very limited time these days.

Loftiest said:

You must feel as if you're in heaven then. Fuck it, I'll watch it.

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Why are the only options make believe or delusion? What's wrong with reality, facts, law?

You have to pay taxes. We did not become America rebelling against taxes, we railed against not being represented for that taxation.

I would just be happy if fortune 500 companies payed income taxes. I mean, if the purpose of incorporation is to indemnify yourself from the business and the business from you... then the laws that allow Microsoft... which btw made a little more than I did last year... to pay 0 income taxes. Walmart? Goose Egg. Let's start there.

I am not saying eat the rich btw... I am saying... make it fair.

Taxation does not "create" inflation, though it can be influential. It sucks the marrow out of greedy corporate priesthoods is what it would do. The market determines value based on the price a population is willing to pay for a good. MS is tricky in this regard, as the world would find it very difficult to let go of, regardless of price... but if you are grossing those kinds of profits and you demand too much... they will. I promise, if MS thought they could charge more, they would.

What the market will bear.