Incurable droopyness

This plant is about 2 1/2 weeks from germinating.
I am growing indoors under a 400 Watt MH bulb.
The temperature is regulated by a controller and stays between 78-82
I water when the soil is sufficiently dry, generally every third day, with RO water, and very diluted nutrients every 3rd watering.

This, and the other plant, are always droopy, regardless of if they have just been watered or need water badly. So I don't think over/under watering is an issue.
I have ruled out heat, as this was an issue when I kept the temperature between 74-78 also.
Could this be caused by insufficient humidity? The humidity is always at 20% and due to the amount of exhaust needed to keep the temperature constant, and I have been unsuccessful in raising that at all.




-Grow'N'Smoke

pots ushally have drain spots at the bottom of the container and that helps the plant breathe more

It's time to repot that thing bro.. Those roots are definitely bound by now.

yep its not good to have a plant in any container for very without drainage. ..both ryann and Gonzo look to be on it.

Its kinna like if you were sealed in a room with no bathroom and had no containers for waste also.

i dont know if its necessarily root bound but the soil looks like its packed pretty hard, ive had bigger plants in less dirt in a dixie cup...


that plant in the back was a bit larger when i decided to transplant it. one thing though, with the dixie cuts, i cut slots in em with a knife around the edge, like i break the plastic with serration of a knife, then kinda twist the knife slightly to make the whole big enough for water to drip out. when they get larger they will need more frequent waterings and feedings, you may feel the dirt gettin dry after a day, i also typically will squeeze the sides gently to break up the dirt and rough up the roots, im not sure if this helps, but it never hindered me...

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you can see the date of the pics, the clone had been in that dixie cup for over a month and a half before i had decided to transplant it, prior to that it was in the bubblecloner.

ryannaylorcatherwood said:

pots ushally have drain spots at the bottom of the container and that helps the plant breathe more

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That's a joke right? Of course there are drain holes...

Sir. Gonzo said:

It's time to repot that thing bro.. Those roots are definitely bound by now.

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I really don't think that my plant is root bound...


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I'll repot, since it is going to be done regardless, and let you know if that helps.

Any other suggestions?

-Grow'N'Smoke

magnesium is another possibility...

I'll pick up some perlite tomorrow and mix it in with the Fox Farms Happy Frog that I'm currently using. Has anybody heard of Happy Frog being too dense?

-Grow'N'Smoke

over fert with N. Re-pot it in less rich mix, peat coco ,weak potting mix etc .Then a week later start fert with 1/2 strength on directions, then to full str.

*BUDS said:

over fert with N. Re-pot it in less rich mix, peat coco ,weak potting mix etc .Then a week later start fert with 1/2 strength on directions, then to full str.

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One of the droopy plants hasn't been given any nutrients, so I think I can rule that out.

-Grow'N'Smoke

I would prescribe root stimulators, mycorrhizae and a foliar feeding of B-1 kelp and fulvic acid. Good luck...

GrizzlyBudz said:

I would prescribe root stimulators, mycorrhizae and a foliar feeding of B-1 kelp and fulvic acid. Good luck...

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I graduated the two of them up to larger pots, with a soil mix of Happy Frog:Vermiculite, 2:1, and watered with some B-1. Two days later and they are perky as ever and growing quickly.

-G'N'S

Two days ago this began to frustrate me again. The two that I had recently up-canned were starting to droop every evening with no noticeable environment changed. I moved the light closer, no change; then farther away, no change. During the day they were fine, but every evening they slowly started drooping. I tried tweaking everything I could think of to no avail.

Having given up I sat down to watch a Jorge Cervantes DVD; and no more than 15 minutes in he mentions the temperature of incoming air. Being the cheap bas... frugal person that I am I rarely run my heat. So out of undying love for the ladies I have turned the heat on in my house and so far they seem to be loving me for it.

- GNS

ive nevr watched that vid whats he say about incoming air? not trying to steal the thread

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ive nevr watched that vid whats he say about incoming air? not trying to steal the thread

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He says "If the air comes in too cold, say lower than 60 degrees, you're going to have problems. It's going to make your plants feel bad, and we don't want them to feel bad, now do we?"

My air was coming in just above 60 degrees and my plants were definitely unhappy.

-GNS

what was ur average temps at night/day?

dudemandigo said:

what was ur average temps at night/day?

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Day time if the temperature hits 79F then my fan kicks on and brings it down to 75F, and my recorded low is 66F.

It seems that I spoke too soon. Every day after the lights have been on for about 15 of the 18 daylight hours my plants begin to droop. I have no idea why. Any suggestions or ideas are welcome.

-GNS