injunction/court case updates
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doingdishes
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if they reduce the plant count too dramatically, they will be back in court. why waste our tax $$? they know this and i am sure they know they'll lose
CannaReview
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Just saw this
So they already knew this was a long shot or no shot and wasted the resources/funds.
I think lower plant counts are good. It will keep people from exploiting the system like before. All those who wanted 100's of plant per gram, well they got their wish, it was used by the gov as amo to close the MMAR.
doingdishes
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how was it used to shut it down? when they were pressed on it, they couldn't provide any instances. that's why the MMPR was ruled unconstitutional
they shut it down on fear mongering without proof...and the judge saw through they smoke and mirrors and whacked their peepee
Dishes unfortunately the old system was rife with corruption (mostly the dg aspect of it) but nonetheless it was problematic in the fact that people were using their scripts as protection to traffic cannabis and launder the profits. I don't know how many people you know with pinks but CannaReview owns a grow shop where most of these individuals would purchase supplies. Just because the crown couldn't prove it doesn't mean that it didn't happen. I mean you no disrespect by stating this but i personally know of 5-10 individuals who were doing this in my community and openly flaunting it. There are some patients who see it as a legitimate source of income.
Same as those who get scripts for Percocet and sell those or Oxycontin...it's very common
For better or worse the system needed adjusting to have better checks and balances in order to keep it under the guise of what it was created for.
The old adage that a few rotten apples spoils the whole bunch is unfortunately true in this case. Nobody should go without proper care or medication and those who require it should not have to mortgage their future to find relief in the present. It wasn't the system that is corrupt but the individuals preying upon it (patients, doctors and the government for that matter). If they had put forth a proper system with checks and balances they wouldn't have had it corrupt itself from the core outward. There were too many abuses. That's my opinion after seeing first hand how this played out with several individuals. Everybody acts in certain ways due to their moral code and beliefs, and as individuals we have that right but in the grand scheme of things we have to act in a civil manner across the board in society, unfortunately those liberties were abused and it became a problem the government put a lot of money in court fees and time to fix as they saw fit, negating the rights of honest individuals who were caught up in the fight as collateral damage.
Same as those who get scripts for Percocet and sell those or Oxycontin...it's very common
For better or worse the system needed adjusting to have better checks and balances in order to keep it under the guise of what it was created for.
The old adage that a few rotten apples spoils the whole bunch is unfortunately true in this case. Nobody should go without proper care or medication and those who require it should not have to mortgage their future to find relief in the present. It wasn't the system that is corrupt but the individuals preying upon it (patients, doctors and the government for that matter). If they had put forth a proper system with checks and balances they wouldn't have had it corrupt itself from the core outward. There were too many abuses. That's my opinion after seeing first hand how this played out with several individuals. Everybody acts in certain ways due to their moral code and beliefs, and as individuals we have that right but in the grand scheme of things we have to act in a civil manner across the board in society, unfortunately those liberties were abused and it became a problem the government put a lot of money in court fees and time to fix as they saw fit, negating the rights of honest individuals who were caught up in the fight as collateral damage.
CannaReview
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What the courts said didn't matter, when MMAR was shut down "black market diversion" was the excuse and I know for a fact that the proliferation of doctors and tens of thousands of licenses given out in less than a year had to do with it. Seriously how can anyone say it with a straight face that a 100, 400, 1000 lighter grow is 'medical" There were so many licenses and so many 100+ light grows the cannabis market tanked.
Now we come to legalization and the gov stating its not about money, well if the MMAR is to come back like before you can bet that it won't be about money since the price will drop. We all know the "not about money" is BS so I can see HC making huge changes to either plant count or square footage and etc... They are going to have to hope black market prices stay high so the gov and the LP's have a market when its legalized.
doingdishes
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@Medipuffs @CannaReview
i'm not saying it didn't happen and I would be very naive to say everyone was on the level. we've been screwed over by DG's for sure. bad product, not right weight and outright lies.
we also know people who have no use but only use it for income.
i'm sure if the Crown had dug a bit deeper and had better witnesses, maybe it would have been different
we in the "know" have seen the crap but the Government couldn't prove any of it. i am sure if they had sent out questionnaires about how they think the system is failing, they would have had a huge pool to pick from just from people who's DG's burned them. if they had some checks in place for DG's, there might have been less patients getting burned.
the Crown presented poor reasons for shutting down the MMPR and almost no evidence...remember the key-chain?
lowering plant counts would end up in more litigation if they cut it back too far-i think. i heard the ratio was 5:1 with some weird math because if you had 20 a day, that was 98 plants so it's not 5:1. 35 a day is 171.
i am sure they could do that but the other people who grow trees, they wouldn't have to grow as many
i'm not saying it didn't happen and I would be very naive to say everyone was on the level. we've been screwed over by DG's for sure. bad product, not right weight and outright lies.
we also know people who have no use but only use it for income.
i'm sure if the Crown had dug a bit deeper and had better witnesses, maybe it would have been different
we in the "know" have seen the crap but the Government couldn't prove any of it. i am sure if they had sent out questionnaires about how they think the system is failing, they would have had a huge pool to pick from just from people who's DG's burned them. if they had some checks in place for DG's, there might have been less patients getting burned.
the Crown presented poor reasons for shutting down the MMPR and almost no evidence...remember the key-chain?
lowering plant counts would end up in more litigation if they cut it back too far-i think. i heard the ratio was 5:1 with some weird math because if you had 20 a day, that was 98 plants so it's not 5:1. 35 a day is 171.
i am sure they could do that but the other people who grow trees, they wouldn't have to grow as many
bigmanc
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i get it, i have the same hopes but i just don't see it. They can come in and say 6 plants mature, 12 growths within a 5x10 area and take it to court and compare to what there doing in the states. In some counties in california your limited by canopy space and/or wattage.
The Hippy
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Grow as big as you can KIds...go freakin nuts.....Any size...all fuckin good. Fuck the Man and any LP dreams.
Keep it in the hands of the common man.
Remember your captors....remember your oppressor's...never forgive.....get even.
Store front.... BM ...kids selling in the parking lot.......biker deals.....Just get the weed to the people.
Keep it in the hands of the common man.
Remember your captors....remember your oppressor's...never forgive.....get even.
Store front.... BM ...kids selling in the parking lot.......biker deals.....Just get the weed to the people.
buckets
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They'll have different rules I hope for the medicinal program and then another one for the public program. I think it was said before but I also wonder how long it would be before somebody in the public program said I want the right to grow my own too. That will go to court I'm willing to wager. Another thing I'm wondering about is the seed business. Will seed companies become legal or will they keep them illegal? At the end of the day seeds are a pretty important part of the equation and should become legal.
you really DO NOT KNOW whats actually going on !
Lower count for med people?...NOPE ! Maybe Rec ...
A few bad seeds and you wrap everyone in the bunch...
PPPPHHHHTTTT No idea whats what...!!!!
WHATFG
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What a joy to have you back around here.....lol...
The Hippy
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They are not our friends...they are our saboteurs and nemesis.
I say everyone should do exactly what they want and let's over run them with our insurrection and blatant disobedience.
Don't be a lay down scared dog under foot....C'mon grow your own and spread it around.
The man only wants our cash...not our friendship.
I say everyone should do exactly what they want and let's over run them with our insurrection and blatant disobedience.
Don't be a lay down scared dog under foot....C'mon grow your own and spread it around.
The man only wants our cash...not our friendship.
doingdishes
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and with Turmel's kits, you can get it delayed for years and then get off.
James Turner had charges withdrawn because they saw no reasonable chance of success. he was busted with 2879 plants.
Can turner sue for the plants value? And actually have a shot at winning that is.
doingdishes
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he can but didn't and won't
he could go after them for $1k per plant as that's what the Government values each plant when they bust someone
It's to bad he's not pursuing that. It could pull set a presidence. I forget the details of his grow, was he growing medically or rec?
doingdishes
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i don't believe he was licensed
he got nailed with 2879 plants and they saw no reasonable chance of success...that made me laugh.
too bad they withdrew the charges. if they hadn't then there would be the precedence