eye exaggerate
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"All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything."
Is cannabis use a sin?
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abandonconflict
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Going to copy/paste this article that Silasraven shared.
[SIZE=+4]Jesus 'Healed
Using Cannabis'[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]
By Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles
The Guardian - UK
1-7-6[/SIZE]
[TD="width: 601%"] [SIZE=+1]Jesus as almost certainly a cannabis user and an early proponent of the medicinal properties of the drug, according to a study of scriptural texts published this month. The study suggests that Jesus and his disciples used the drug to carry out miraculous healings.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]The anointing oil used by Jesus and his disciples contained an ingredient called kaneh-bosem which has since been identified as cannabis extract, according to an article by Chris Bennett in the drugs magazine, High Times, entitled Was Jesus a Stoner? The incense used by Jesus in ceremonies also contained a cannabis extract, suggests Mr Bennett, who quotes scholars to back his claims.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"There can be little doubt about a role for cannabis in Judaic religion," Carl Ruck, professor of classical mythology at Boston University said.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Referring to the existence of cannabis in anointing oils used in ceremonies, he added: "Obviously the easy availability and long-established tradition of cannabis in early Judaism _ would inevitably have included it in the [Christian] mixtures."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Mr Bennett suggests those anointed with the oils used by Jesus were "literally drenched in this potent mixture _ Although most modern people choose to smoke or eat pot, when its active ingredients are transferred into an oil-based carrier, it can also be absorbed through the skin".[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Quoting the New Testament, Mr Bennett argues that Jesus anointed his disciples with the oil and encouraged them to do the same with other followers. This could have been responsible for healing eye and skin diseases referred to in the Gospels.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil _ and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ," Mr Bennett concludes.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Copyright Guardian Newspapers Limited[/SIZE] [/TD]
[SIZE=+4]Jesus 'Healed
Using Cannabis'[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]
By Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles
The Guardian - UK
1-7-6[/SIZE]
[TD="width: 601%"] [SIZE=+1]Jesus as almost certainly a cannabis user and an early proponent of the medicinal properties of the drug, according to a study of scriptural texts published this month. The study suggests that Jesus and his disciples used the drug to carry out miraculous healings.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]The anointing oil used by Jesus and his disciples contained an ingredient called kaneh-bosem which has since been identified as cannabis extract, according to an article by Chris Bennett in the drugs magazine, High Times, entitled Was Jesus a Stoner? The incense used by Jesus in ceremonies also contained a cannabis extract, suggests Mr Bennett, who quotes scholars to back his claims.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"There can be little doubt about a role for cannabis in Judaic religion," Carl Ruck, professor of classical mythology at Boston University said.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Referring to the existence of cannabis in anointing oils used in ceremonies, he added: "Obviously the easy availability and long-established tradition of cannabis in early Judaism _ would inevitably have included it in the [Christian] mixtures."[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Mr Bennett suggests those anointed with the oils used by Jesus were "literally drenched in this potent mixture _ Although most modern people choose to smoke or eat pot, when its active ingredients are transferred into an oil-based carrier, it can also be absorbed through the skin".[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Quoting the New Testament, Mr Bennett argues that Jesus anointed his disciples with the oil and encouraged them to do the same with other followers. This could have been responsible for healing eye and skin diseases referred to in the Gospels.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"If cannabis was one of the main ingredients of the ancient anointing oil _ and receiving this oil is what made Jesus the Christ and his followers Christians, then persecuting those who use cannabis could be considered anti-Christ," Mr Bennett concludes.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Copyright Guardian Newspapers Limited[/SIZE] [/TD]
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Ursus marijanus
King Ethan&Joel Version. "Verily, I say unto Thee: it tied the entire chamber together." cn
abandonconflict
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The entire chamber had quite the session.
DoctorSmoke
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have it ever occurred to anyone that there is no physical proof of jesus and everything that was wrote about him was atleast 200 yo hearsay.
Hugo Phurst
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- Really?
http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.html
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMN...dence_for_Jesus_from_NonChristian_Sources.htm
What are your thoughts on Robin Hood, Friar Tuck, and Little John, hangin together?
abandonconflict
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Has it ever occurred to you that you didn't read the first post in the thread?
jessy koons
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It seems to me that the concept of sin is a human invention so the question of whether or not smoking cannabis is a sin can be answered yes or no depending on ones personal interpretation of the teachings of whoever you want to believe.
I would like to hear more Shakespearean Lebowski please. Something like:
Walter: Indeed a rug of value, an estimable rug, an honour'd rug; O unhappy rug, that should live to cover such days.
Donald: Of what dost thou speak, that tied the room together, Knave? Take pains, for I would hear well of that which tied the room together.
Walter: Didst thou attend the Knave's tragic history, Sir Donald?
Donald: Nay, good Sir Walter, I was a-bowling.
Walter:Thou attend'st not; and so thou hast no frame of reference. Thou art as a child........
abandonconflict
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I love to criticize religion and particularly Abrahamic religion as much as anyone. The thing is, I am looking for something in particular with this thread, that is, BIBLICAL arguments for or against the use of cannabis in the context of Christianity. This is a free space, where anyone can express themselves, but it really is rude to take a thread that I created, with a specific purpose, and hijack it such that Christians (who I am depending on to make such arguments) are spurned and what I am looking for is not discussed.
There are a dozen other threads where you can criticize, and believe me, I'll join in from time to time, but please, don't be a dick. I tried my query in other threads, but my posts were drowned out by the topics there, which were mostly criticism.
There are a dozen other threads where you can criticize, and believe me, I'll join in from time to time, but please, don't be a dick. I tried my query in other threads, but my posts were drowned out by the topics there, which were mostly criticism.
you cant say sin and leve religion, good or bad, out of the equation. also asking for biblical answers is like asking the dentist to fix your tooth without touching it.
also the reason your posts were drowned out was because of the other DOZEN or so threads on the same subject
abandonconflict
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You have Reagan in your sig, but Reagan was anti-cannabis.
[h=1]“I now have absolute proof that smoking even one marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being on Bikini Island during an H-bomb blast.”[/h]
See what I did there?
Dude I'm an atheist already, don't be a dick.
Daxus
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Nah, state and church are separate. "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's".
As for the OP's question: It depends. I think you'd have to get even more specific as the Bible can be interpreted many ways. Best thing to do would be to pick a specific branch of Christianity and ask an official of that church (pastor, priest, what have you). And I doubt you'll find many of them here, though I'd love to see someone like that pop up and give input, this question has crossed my mind several times despite being more or less agnostic.
abandonconflict
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Opinions (within scope) are actually what I am looking for. Any argument made, is obviously not going to be water tight, particularly if all you have to do is reject the religion.
Doer
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I can tell a story. I'm not an atheist or follower of any view and I don't even reject most of it. However, I think my views would be branded heretic across the board.
My friend's wife had a "conversion" to an Evangelical stance. She confessed to the Big Church, TV Minister, her husband's weed addiction. They and a few others came in, tossed the house and flushed the weed, broke the pipes, etc.
My friend moved out for 5 years, raised the kids in separate homes, but no divorce. Meanwhile, the TV minister was discredited for the usual scandalous behavior, and my friend is back at home.
My friend's wife had a "conversion" to an Evangelical stance. She confessed to the Big Church, TV Minister, her husband's weed addiction. They and a few others came in, tossed the house and flushed the weed, broke the pipes, etc.
My friend moved out for 5 years, raised the kids in separate homes, but no divorce. Meanwhile, the TV minister was discredited for the usual scandalous behavior, and my friend is back at home.
Daxus
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Well as best as I can answer then, if I were a Christian, I would say it depends on how it is used. The Bible doesn't speak about Cannabis specifically, it does say “Give strong drink to the one who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress; let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more” (Prov. 31:6-7; ESV). Some scholars, which I tend to side with, feel this isn't pro or against alcohol but instead presents life the way it is and it's up to the user to determine what is acceptable or not in their situation. And since it deals with an intoxicant I'd apply it to Cannabis as well. Throw in the whole thing in Genesis about giving us every seed bearing plant for consumption and I'm sold. But that's just what my interpretation would be.
abandonconflict
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I was reading about Galations 5 (not sure which passage in particular but I read the entire chapter) and mention of Pharmakeia. I think this is the major reference that Christians make when arguing that the use of cannabis is a sin.
I do know that Paul could not read or write in Hebrew. His knowledge of the Old Testament comes from a translation called the Septuagint (Greek). These are both strong conclusions drawn by linguists and so I will take them for granted. If it IS correct, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that our modern interpretation is a result of misleading literal translation of words that have different vernacular uses in their respective languages. They were then translated into other languages in which they have come to us. I would like to observe the argument in the form that religion presents it so that I can explicate it in that form.
I do know that Paul could not read or write in Hebrew. His knowledge of the Old Testament comes from a translation called the Septuagint (Greek). These are both strong conclusions drawn by linguists and so I will take them for granted. If it IS correct, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that our modern interpretation is a result of misleading literal translation of words that have different vernacular uses in their respective languages. They were then translated into other languages in which they have come to us. I would like to observe the argument in the form that religion presents it so that I can explicate it in that form.
abandonconflict
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Either way, it sounds like modern pharm resembles sorcery more than a natural plant.
richinweed
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respecting all (make)beliefs....sin is what u make it..if u want something to be a sin...then its a sin...just like the catholics think feeling the inside of an alter boy is a sin........club ped.......is it a sin to show yer pp to a girl...some say yes some say no...most wimmin i kno like my pp...is that a sin?......you can attach the word sin to many things..if u empower the word so be it....is it a sin that the west has no problem murdering the ppl of lesser nations for fun and profit...is it a sin to steal the life savings of millions of ppl.....do muslims abuse wimmin..it s not a sin if they do it....so make it what u will...
Daxus
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*stares at his bottle of muscle relaxers* What sorcery is this!?
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