is it wrong to be a proud white male

Volcanus

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Why would you be proud of something you had no control over and happened by pure chance? Doesn't make any sense, being proud of your race is caveman stupid imo.
 

puffpuffPASSEDOUT

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Why would you be proud of something you had no control over and happened by pure chance? Doesn't make any sense, being proud of your race is caveman stupid imo.

OH PLEASEEEEE!!!

There is a lot of talk these days about Black pride, Jewish pride, Hispanic pride, and even "gay" pride. In fact, there is only ONE major segment of the population that is not encouraged to take pride in its heritage and in the achievements of its ancestors. That group is the White Race.

The lack of White pride is truly a sad and strange thing, because no group has more to be rightfully proud of than the White people of the world. The glories and greatness that the men and women of our Race have won over the centuries should serve as a source of eternal pride and inspiration to White people everywhere.

Since the dawn of history, we have been a mighty Race of builders, explorers, artists, warriors, inventors, philosophers and cultivators. We have sailed the seas, tamed the vast wilderness, scaled towering mountains, journeyed to the depths of the ocean and into the cold void of outer space.

We have built great civilizations, created breathtaking works of beauty and made the deserts bloom. The technological achievements of our people, from the megalithic calendar of Stonehenge to the moon-walk of the Apollo astronauts, are unequaled.

We have devised sublime philosophies, conquered deadly diseases and performed soul-stirring acts of heroism and self-sacrifice. We are the Race of Shakespeare, Leonardo da Vinci, Beethoven and Homer. We are the sons and daughters of Leif Ericson, Christopher Columbus, Sir Francis Drake and Magellan. We are the folk of Alexander, Caesar, Napolean, Washington and Robert E. Lee. We are the descendants of Pythagoras, Galileo, Copernicus and Newton, just to list the great accomplishments of our Race would require the work of a lifetime.

No one has more to be proud of than we do! In order for an individual to be psychologically healthy, he or she must have a clear-cut source of identity and self-worth. And for our Race as a whole to be strong and healthy, White people everywhere must develop a sense of racial identity and racial worth. There is no better way to attain this very necessary level of racial awareness than in having pride in your people and their accomplishments. So take pride in your Race, take pride in what we have achieved in days gone by, and take pride in what we will yet accomplish as we reach for the stars.

Be White and proud!
 

puffpuffPASSEDOUT

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This is a post on the above:



I don't think you've got the memo from the liberals yet man. Cultural Diversity and taking pride in tradition are only allowed to non-whites, because otherwise you must be a complete racist.

The Liberal relativists are more sympathetic toward making Islamo-fascists "comfortable" in the world than actual civilized human beings [I'm Sorry! That was intolerant and racist]. Once a minority overcomes oppression they are promoted by their own groups to being "white" or in Islam's case "Infidel". Its a bad thing, you know... reading books, getting an education, believing in family values...working!

The liberals make it clear on a daily basis: Whites are the cause of all the worlds problems. We are the reason minorities suffer internal oppression, and we are the reason minorities commit crimes. For this reason to take pride in being white will always be evil, your only right is to cope with your white guilt for the slaves you never had.

White Guilt is the new plan devised by liberals to push socialism on us by means of guilt-tripping. They say, the only reson whites are successful is that they are white... It's couldn;t be they're values! The second tactic we are seeing for socialism is the myth of Global warming which plays a part as well to by creating human guilt. It's the last evolution for trying to produce a socialist world government run by Al Gore, Barack Hussein Obama, and his buddy Al Sharpton.

Even if every white person gave their wealth away to minorities and lived in extreme poverty, they would still be labled as the cause of all the problems in the universe.
 

Volcanus

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There is a lot of talk these days about Black pride, Jewish pride, Hispanic pride, and even "gay" pride.
Again taking pride in your race or sexual orientation is idiotic no matter how much it's talked about or encouraged by whomever. It’s primitive collectivism.

In fact, there is only ONE major segment of the population that is not encouraged to take pride in its heritage and in the achievements of its ancestors. That group is the White Race.
Usually because "reclaiming White history," has racist undertones because 9 out 10 it’s being espoused by white nationalists aka racist cunts. I only treat black folk trying to reclaim their history differently is because their history has been (for the most part) taken from them due to slavery and centuries of oppression but past that I find black pride to be overall the same thing as I stated above and I think we as a species should move past such non-sense as “pride in race,” and all that bullshit. But still you can't judge the two on the same level because white people haven't been enslaved and oppressed like the negro, Native American, etc. An X quote for thought.

"Who are you? You don't know? Don't tell me negro that's nothing. What were you before the white man named you a negro? What was your name? It couldn't have been Smith, or Jones, or Bush or Powell, that wasn't your name. They don't have those kind of names where you and I come from, no, what was your name and why don't you know now what your name was then? Where is your history? How did the man wipe out your history? How did the man, what did the man do to make you as dumb as you are now."-Malcolm X.

So I can see why black folks would want to learn and reclaim some of their history.

As for glorifying the historical achievements of the “white race,” it’s again moronic, Rand said it best…

“The respectable family that supports worthless relatives or covers up their crimes in order to "protect the family name" (as if the moral stature of one man could be damaged by the actions of another) -- the bum who boasts that his great-grandfather was an empire-builder, or the small-town spinster who boasts that her maternal great-uncle was a state senator and her third-cousin gave a concert at Carnegie Hall (as if the achievements of one man could rub off on the mediocrity of another) -- the parents who search genealogical trees in order to evaluate their prospective sons-in-law -- the celebrity who starts his autobiography with a detailed account of his family history -- all these are samples of racism, the atavvistic manifestations of a doctrine whose full expression is the tribal warfare of prehistorical savages, the wholesale slaughter of Nazi Germany, the atrocities of today's so-called "newly-emerging nations."-Ayn Rand.

I believe that people who are enthralled and exalt the achievements of their ancestors within the context of “race pride,” especially “white pride,” are just trying to make up for their own mediocrity (as Rand eloquently stated). So fuck that, fuck pride and more importantly who gives a fuck what anyone is or what particular race a man was that created [Y]?
 

keico

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I find it hard to believe that so called white people think there is actually a white race.

Get over it

African American, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, German, etc etc those are races

In my opinion this thread needs to be closed permanently

You can argue till the end of the time, to no avail
 

panhead

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I think we as a species should move past such non-sense as “pride in race,” and all that bullshit. But still you can't judge the two on the same level because white people haven't been enslaved and oppressed like the negro, Native American, etc. An X quote for thought.
Before you came to the conclusions you've posted in this thread have you studied world history,or the history of slavery,if you had you'd realize that slavery was not & has never been a crime against blacks exclusively,many different groups of people have been enslaved throug the age's,we know blacks were slaves ad nauseaum,the slavery they were subjected to is no different than the forced slavery or endentured servatude many other races were forced to endure through the ages,black slavery was just the most recent example.

It's well past the time that black slavery become's a non issue,its about as relevant in modern day beliefs & values as the enslavement of the jew's in the time of jesus,both play no part in the way the world functions today,and both were praticed by those long since dead & buried.

Im very proud to be a white man & i hold no racist beliefs,not one person on this earth can lable me as a racist because of the way i lead my life or from how i treat other people,the only thing anybody could ever use against me in labeling me as a racist is the pride i hold in being a white man,if somebody can call me a racist simply because im proud of where i come from,or from pride in who/what i am then that person is one shallow ass person who is no better than a full blown nazi skinhead or black panther because they act much like racists who try to force their veiws on others,or try to belittle others by making grandios statements that leads to the belittlement of others.

If i live to be 100 years old it will never cease to amaze me at how some people think they are within their rights to demand that one race or another not be able to take pride in their heritage,these people who think this way allways want to belittle a person who openly takes pride in their heratige,then falsely label them as a racist based on an extremely loose definition of race pride that they have built & adapted to suite their own needs.

The definition of a racist from encylopedia britanica.

Racist (noun) A person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to another/ end definition.

You just cant make stuff up as you go along to fit your feelings,this is what it takes to be a racist,a person "MUST" believe that his/her race is better than other races ,or to wish i'll will tword other races,there is no direct relation to anybody being proud of their own race & them being a racist & you cant make the connection at all, you are unjust in making that connection,its wrong of you & an unfair accusation that amounts to nothing more than trying to lay a guilt trip on people.
 

panhead

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I find it hard to believe that so called white people think there is actually a white race.

Get over it

African American, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, German, etc etc those are races

In my opinion this thread needs to be closed permanently

You can argue till the end of the time, to no avail
African american ???????,where do you guys get these ideas & ideals at,seems extremely self serving to me.

Africian american is not a race & never was,african americans can be Nigerian,Kenyan,Ethopian,Nubian,Tanzanian,Mozambiquean ect ect,exact like anglo americans can have these heratiges German,Irish,Sweedish ect ect ect,yet you seem unable to allow white people the same courtesy & leinency in race description as you allow twords black races,why is that ?

Just because you include the word "african" in front of american does not make it so,african is a race, not african american.

Going by the example you laid out in your post anglo americans have every bit as much claim to calling their race white americans as do the african american segment of this country,you cant make allowances for one sect of people that are allowed (at your choosing)to go outside the accepted descriptions of what constitutes a seperate race of human beings,then go on to deny another race the ability to identify themselves using the same descriptions that you've deemed allowable for one race,if you are willing to accept african american as a race than you must accept anglo american as a race,if you do not allow the same courtesy to all races that you make allowances for with the african american people than that makes you a racist,yes it does.

Infact the best & most true to life examples of blatant racisim i see in this thread come from your post & others like your post,if your willing to accept african american as a race then by definition of what makes a racist you must be willing to accept anglo american as a race,or accept the fact that it may really be you who is the racist.
 

Volcanus

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Before you came to the conclusions you've posted in this thread have you studied world history,or the history of slavery,if you had you'd realize that slavery was not & has never been a crime against blacks exclusively,many different groups of people have been enslaved throug the age's,we know blacks were slaves ad nauseaum,the slavery they were subjected to is no different than the forced slavery or endentured servatude many other races were forced to endure through the ages,black slavery was just the most recent example.
Point being? Where did I claim otherwise? I'm well aware of the fact that slavery has existed for thousands of years and that many peoples have been subjected to slavery.

t's well past the time that black slavery become's a non issue,its about as relevant in modern day beliefs & values as the enslavement of the jew's in the time of jesus,both play no part in the way the world functions today,and both were praticed by those long since dead & buried.
I beg to differ. It's from slavery and all of that is associated with it that have created the problems we see today and I think it's bullshit that white people (primarily not making generalizations, don’t want that to be construed as “laying a guilt trip”) just want to sweep it under the carpet of history. We are still seeing the adverse effects caused by not only slavery but also the oppression that blacks and other groups have had to endure in the Americas. I mean it wasn't like slavery ended and the civil rights movement happened and boom! Everything's fixed.

It is a multi-layer issue that still has a lot to do with slavery and oppression. Sure it happened awhile ago and sure black folk and other peoples have come along way but it still doesn't make slavery a non-issue that shouldn't be taken into account.

Im very proud to be a white man
Why? I'm a Jew, you don't see me going around glorifying every Jew in history that helped humanity progress. That's stupid.

who is no better than a full blown nazi skinhead or black panther
The black panther movement was a Maoist organization that was trying to encourage self-sufficiency and so on in the black community. It was in no way racist at all as is clear by the writings and views of the leaders. Sure it was race oriented where it should have been class oriented but given the time period it's understandable but more importantly it's ridiculous to compare the black panthers to boneheads.

It pisses me off to no end when people try to turn the black panthers into the black KKK or model form of the black racist.

these people who think this way allways want to belittle a person who openly takes pride in their heratige,then falsely label them as a racist based on an extremely loose definition of race pride that they have built & adapted to suite their own needs.
Where have I labeled anyone racist? I haven't, the only things I said that could possibly be construed as calling someone a racist was I quoted Rand in which she said she found certain behaviors to be racist and I said the reason why people consider "white pride," racist is because again 9 times out of 10 it's espoused by white nationalist (racist ass hats). That’s it, no where did I call anyone racist.

I'm not molding anything. Race pride is taking pride in the achievements of certain people in history that happened to be achieved by a member of their own race and pride in where said race originated. I already said I find this (across the board) to be absolutely moronic.

The definition of a racist from encylopedia britanica.
I own a dictionary thanks and I don't need to look that word up, sorry.

You just cant make stuff up as you go along to fit your feelings
And I haven’t, sorry.
 

panhead

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The black panther movement was a Maoist organization that was trying to encourage self-sufficiency and so on in the black community. It was in no way racist at all as is clear by the writings and views of the leaders. Sure it was race oriented where it should have been class oriented but given the time period it's understandable but more importantly it's ridiculous to compare the black panthers to boneheads.

It pisses me off to no end when people try to turn the black panthers into the black KKK or model form of the black racist.


Its funny to watch you guys include or exclude history to fit your needs,your knowlege of the black panters is skewed at best,more like a one sided version to fit the needs you wish it to.

Quote from a well known panther , On November 29, 1993, then-chairman Khalid Abdul Muhammad spoke at New Jersey's Kean College saying that all whites in South Africa should be killed, and God should give blacks the power to kill "everything white."

How is this action quoted below by Black Panthers anything less than worthy of being compared to the KKK & the extreme violence & hatred they spew.

After a dispute in Washington, D.C. between a Korean shop owner and black girl led to fight (all of which was caught on tape), the NBPP protested outside the shop, chanting "Death to the Bloodsucker." On Nov. 30, 2000, a pipe bomb was thrown into the shop and "Black Power" was scrawled across the shop front.

Here is some more racist rehetoric spewed by the Black Panthers,the below quote is from WIKI & easy to back up.

Following the Sept. 11 attacks, the Black Panthers distributed flyers stating Israel planned and financed the attacks and had warned the 4,000 Israelis working at the World Trade Center to call in sick.

Here's some more from Malik Zulu Shabazz,a well known black leader & current top leader of The Newe Black Panther Party,at every oportunity this man publicly urges all blacks to kill white women,kill white men & to even slaughter white infants.

At Al Sharpton's "Redeem the Dream" rally at the Lincoln Memorial in August 2000, Shabazz was a featured speaker and delivered what he titled his "I Have a Black Dream" speech, which specifically called for a race war in America. "For every casket and funeral in our community," he declared, "there should be a casket and funeral in the enemy's community."

I can go on for days about the panthers,i was alive when they started the orginization & i lived through the many anti white/semetic violent acts they have committed against innocent white & jewish peoples,do you need more examples of the anti white & anti semetic hatred that these maniacs spew,if so i can give links to much more because they are a hate group & they are extremely active around the world.

You need to reasearch just how much violence & hatred these savages have spewed & continue to spew to this day in this country because your definition of what the panthers are all about does not match what they do in public,their actions make them exactly like the KKK & yes the Black Panthers are a hate group,they are even listed as a hate group,exactly like the Aryan Nation,Ku Klux Klan & the Skinheads.
 

Volcanus

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Its funny to watch you guys include or exclude history to fit your needs,your knowlege of the black panters is skewed at best,more like a one sided version to fit the needs you wish it to.
Really? My knowledge of the black panthers is skewed? Judging from below you don’t know anything about the black panthers and their theoretical roots.

As for all of your examples you’ve got to be fucking kidding me, listen to Huey Newton as he explains nationalism and the black panthers…

“There are two kinds of nationalism, revolutionary nationalism and reactionary nationalism. Revolutionary nationalism is first dependent upon a people's revolution with the end goal being the people in power. Therefore to be a revolutionary nationalist you would by necessity have to be a socialist. It you are a reactionary nationalist you are not a socialist and your end goal to the oppression of the people.

Cultural nationalism, or pork chop nationalism, as I sometimes call it, is basically a problem of having the wrong political perspective. It seems to be a reaction instead of responding to political oppression. The cultural nationalists are concerned with returning to the old African culture and thereby regaining their identity and freedom. In other words, they feel that the African culture will automatically bring political freedom. Many times cultural nationalists fall into line as reactionary nationalists.

Papa Doc in Haiti is an excellent example of reactionary nationalism. He oppresses the people but he does promote the African culture. He's against anything other than black, which on the surface seems very good, but for him it is only to mislead the people. He merely kicked out the racists and replaced them with himself as the oppressor. Many of the nationalists in this country seem to desire the same ends.

The Black Panther Party, which is a revolutionary group of black people, realizes that we have to have an identity. We have to realize our black heritage in order to give us strength to move on and progress. But as far as returning to the old African culture, it's unnecessary and it's not advantageous in many respects. We believe that culture itself will not liberate us. We're going to need some stronger stuff.

A good example of revolutionary nationalism was the revolution in Algeria when Ben Bella took over. The French were kicked out but it was a people's revolution because the people ended up power. The leaders that took over were not interested in the profit motive where they could exploit the people and keep them in a state of slavery. They nationalized the industry and plowed the would be profits into the community. That's what socialism is all about in a nut The people's representatives are in office strictly on the leave of the people. The wealth of the country is controlled by people and they are considered when ever modifications in the industries are made.

The Black Panther Party is a revolutionary Nationalist group and we see a major contradiction between capitalism in this country and our interests. We realize that this country became very rich upon slavery and that slavery is capitalism in the extreme. We have two evils to fight, capitalism and racism. We must destroy both racism and capitalism.”-Huey Newton.

The black panthers was deeply rooted in Marxist-Leninist-Maoist theory. Oh yea, in case you didn’t know Newton was the CO-FOUNDER of the Black Panthers. As for your "examples," of black panther “violence,” and "racism," you’ve again go to be kidding me if you think those are valid examples. What we know as the black panthers had long since been destroyed and it’s leaders killed or imprisoned way before the 80’s. Modern manifestations of the “black panthers,” are (from what I have seen) just a bunch of black nationalists that have no ties to what the panthers where, how they operated and what they represented thus making your “examples,” mute.

The ORIGINAL black panthers or in other words THE black panthers are in no way comparable to the Aryan Brotherhood, KKK, etc. It's ridiculous to make such a claim.

Try again mate.
 

puffpuffPASSEDOUT

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America was founded on the belief that everyman is created equal, when in fact thats just a ploy to establish pride in its citzens. This and along with a million other reasons is why racism will always be a factor in america.

If i was of another race i wouldnt like white people. We have created the very foundation that this world sits on. What havent we done as a race? ....But what does everyone else look at? Wealth. Its obvious the world revolves around financial stabilty. If your poor, you have no power. Other races look at the white race as a race that has bought its freedom, and at all costs. But isnt that what being human is all about? Have we forgoten about darwinism?

IMO the world is in for a world of shit, and really it has been since WW2 or maybe even the great depression... No longer can we fight for what we believe in without crititism staring us in the face. We must walk the finest of lines in order to make it to the top. We must appeal to everyone, to every race, to every gender. Its all bullshit. there is over 300 million people in this country and im betting more than half have weak beliefs regarding pride or patriotism. ESPECIALLY the younger generations. We dont know what to believe in. All we know is if you dont have money, you are nothing.

We should fight to re-establish pride in the hearts and minds of everyone in this nation. Not because you are white or black, but because your an american! If it wasnt for this great country we'd all be fucked
 

panhead

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Really? My knowledge of the black panthers is skewed? Judging from below you don’t know anything about the black panthers and their theoretical roots.

As for all of your examples you’ve got to be fucking kidding me, listen to Huey Newton as he explains nationalism and the black panthers…
How convient for you that you have the ability to be so selective in what you see & what you refuse to acknowlege,you speak of "theorhetical" roots,i speak of reality based topics,you also ignore issues that are happening right now TODAY in preference of focusing on speaches gave by Huey Newton,what a great guy he turned out to be,your shining example of brother hood was a drug addict crack/heroin addict who ended up murdered in front of a crack house doing what he did best,getting high.

You also totally side step any current examples of blatant anti white & anti semetic racism displayed in full public view from your beloved panthers,to quote a well known Panther leader "King Shamir Shabazz" as recent as 2007 ((you want freedom black man,you cant have freedom without killing white men,you want freedom black man,you cant have freedom without killing some white women,you want freedom black man,you cant have freedom without killing white babby's,Black Power !,Black Power !! ,BLACK POWER !!!

These words outlined in red are not my words,they are not things spoken in past years,or spoken in hushed tones,they are racist rants screamed as loud as possible for all to hear,to again quote a black panther leader,White People , "I'm about the total destruction of white people. I'm about the total liberation of black people. I hate white people. I hate my enemy. . . ."

Great speech & one im sure you'll ignore.

You choose to ignore these real life day to day hate filled actions these savages are guilty of & prefer to dwell on theorehetorical speeches & writings given decades ago,from what i see based on the current & ongoing daily actions of these savages they are all evil men,a traight shared by some of the worlds most evil men in history was that they were all absolutely brilliant public speakers,men like Adolph Hitler,Don Metzger,King Samir Shabazz,Rev Al Sharpton,Louis Farakan & even your example Huey Newton all share the same traight,they are all maniac racists with the god given gift of being able to work a crowd up into a frenzy,i see no difference between Don Metzger & any of the Black Panther leadership,i base my views on what i see them do,i base my views on how i see them interact with society,i base my views on how i see & hear them corrupt weak peoples minds into believing the racist rehetoric they spew.

If you do not wish to discuss, or bother yourself with responding to any of the current actions the Black Panthers are guilty of,or prefer to talk in more circles,ranting about the "Theory" of what Black Nationalism is all about than i see no point in going further with this discussion,you cant have it both ways my friend,either you are for the equal treatment & freedom of all people & you condem these evil men based on their actions, or you are for the racist beliefs they spew,you cant only focus on the good things they say & ignore all the ugly & hatefull things they say & do,there is no middle ground in racisim,either you are 100% against evil men/groups or you are a racist,no middle ground.
 

natrone23

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Either way in reallity the black panthers and the KKK are extreme examples of organizations and not representative of the majoriy of both "races". Both are relics of the past and there little current power and support is wanning.
 

Volcanus

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How convient for you that you have the ability to be so selective in what you see & what you refuse to acknowlege,you speak of "theorhetical" roots,i speak of reality based topics

I was speaking of its theoretical roots because that is the template of the organization; it was how the organization was set up and how it operated IN REAL LIFE. I was stressing this because if you knew anything of political theory you would understand that a revolutionary leftist organization based in Socialist theory could in no way be compared to the KKK, Aryan Brotherhood and other such racist/fascist groups. I mean I can’t think of any with half a brain that would make such comparison unless you are totally ignorant of both political theory and of history.

you also ignore issues that are happening right now TODAY

I’m not refusing shit, which is a fiction you created and are trying so desperately to prove but sadly for you I’m not. I didn’t ignore shit and I addressed the modern group who is using the title “black panthers,” and stated that they are entirely separate group that has no connections whatsoever with the real black panthers and are only using the name black panthers because of what they think (which is a fucked up and wrong view) they represented. They are not the same ideological, they do not have the same organizational structure, they do not share the same goals, etc. etc.

in preference of focusing on speaches gave by Huey Newton,what a great guy he turned out to be,your shining example of brother hood was a drug addict crack/heroin addict who ended up murdered in front of a crack house doing what he did best,getting high.

First I wasn’t making Newton to be the “shining example of brotherhood,” or other such horseshit, I quoted him to demonstrate a little bit what they panthers ACTUALLY believed and to show what were there actual goals and what they were trying to accomplish. The original black panthers were more class oriented and were focused on ending racism which they saw as a by-product of capitalism whereas the black panthers today have no coherent ideaology and are concerned with black power.

Secondly, no one’s a saint, so he fell into addiction and happen to die because of it but what I want to ask is, what the fuck does that have to with anything? Did you just wiki him and think that would be good to throw in there? That has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing which is whether or not the original black panthers could be compared to racist groups such as the KKK.

Great speech & one im sure you'll ignore.

No, I haven’t ignored anything you’ve said and you would realize this if you weren’t so obtuse. I have stated that yes, the people who are today calling themselves the black panthers are saying some pretty racist shit, and yes they are blatant racist. However for the millionth fucking time they are not related to the original panthers. In fact I remember reading an article where one of the daughters of the black panthers talked about the new black panthers and she herself said her that the new black panthers had nothing to do with what the original black panthers and didn’t share the same ideals.

You choose to ignore these real life day to day hate filled actions these savages are guilty of & prefer to dwell on theorehetorical speeches & writings given decades ago

I’m not ignoring shit, I’m not dwelling on anything and that’s obvious to anyone reading this.

any of the Black Panther leadership,i base my views on what i see them do,i base my views on how i see them interact with society,
You base your views on what’s convenient for your argument and your views.

You don’t know shit about the black panthers.

If you do not wish to discuss, or bother yourself with responding to any of the current actions the Black Panthers are guilty of,or prefer to talk in more circles,ranting about the "Theory" of what Black Nationalism is all about than i see no point in going further with this discussion

I have scroll up and read and then stop and think about what the fuck I’m talking about. I’ve already explained my views on both groups and why they are completely different and separate and why the original black panthers can’t be compared to the KKK, Aryan Brotherhood, etc. and if you can’t see that then I’m done with it, I’m hangin it up because your obviously not comprehending what I’m saying.
 

puffpuffPASSEDOUT

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I was speaking of its theoretical roots because that is the template of the organization; it was how the organization was set up and how it operated IN REAL LIFE. I was stressing this because if you knew anything of political theory you would understand that a revolutionary leftist organization based in Socialist theory could in no way be compared to the KKK, Aryan Brotherhood and other such racist/fascist groups. I mean I can’t think of any with half a brain that would make such comparison unless you are totally ignorant of both political theory and of history.



I’m not refusing shit, which is a fiction you created and are trying so desperately to prove but sadly for you I’m not. I didn’t ignore shit and I addressed the modern group who is using the title “black panthers,” and stated that they are entirely separate group that has no connections whatsoever with the real black panthers and are only using the name black panthers because of what they think (which is a fucked up and wrong view) they represented. They are not the same ideological, they do not have the same organizational structure, they do not share the same goals, etc. etc.



First I wasn’t making Newton to be the “shining example of brotherhood,” or other such horseshit, I quoted him to demonstrate a little bit what they panthers ACTUALLY believed and to show what were there actual goals and what they were trying to accomplish. The original black panthers were more class oriented and were focused on ending racism which they saw as a by-product of capitalism whereas the black panthers today have no coherent ideaology and are concerned with black power.

Secondly, no one’s a saint, so he fell into addiction and happen to die because of it but what I want to ask is, what the fuck does that have to with anything? Did you just wiki him and think that would be good to throw in there? That has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing which is whether or not the original black panthers could be compared to racist groups such as the KKK.



No, I haven’t ignored anything you’ve said and you would realize this if you weren’t so obtuse. I have stated that yes, the people who are today calling themselves the black panthers are saying some pretty racist shit, and yes they are blatant racist. However for the millionth fucking time they are not related to the original panthers. In fact I remember reading an article where one of the daughters of the black panthers talked about the new black panthers and she herself said her that the new black panthers had nothing to do with what the original black panthers and didn’t share the same ideals.



I’m not ignoring shit, I’m not dwelling on anything and that’s obvious to anyone reading this.


You base your views on what’s convenient for your argument and your views.

You don’t know shit about the black panthers.



I have scroll up and read and then stop and think about what the fuck I’m talking about. I’ve already explained my views on both groups and why they are completely different and separate and why the original black panthers can’t be compared to the KKK, Aryan Brotherhood, etc. and if you can’t see that then I’m done with it, I’m hangin it up because your obviously not comprehending what I’m saying.

Dude you need to jerk off, or smoke some budd man. Your negativity is bringing me downnnnnnnnnn :eyesmoke:
 

puffpuffPASSEDOUT

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I started that way... It grew into an addiction... You have to learn to respect others Point of views though


...Just try to control the rage my friend :)
 

LandofZion

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Not to get myself in hot water with ANYONE. This is a e-mail that i was forwarded and i think it may encompass the thoughts of what the post started off asking or wondering. I am not going to fight with anyone about it. Just posting this forward.

Some of you pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.

Some of you call me "Whiteboy", "Cracker", "Honkey", "Whitey" and you think it's OK.
But if I were to call you, Nigger, Kike, Towelhead, Sand-nigger, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink you would call me a racist.
Some of you say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?
You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You have Yom Hashoah
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
You have the NAACP.
You have BET.
If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day some of you would call us racists.
If we had white history month, we'd be racists.
If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives, we'd be racists.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships, you know we'd be racists.
There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US, yet if there were "White colleges" that would be a racist college.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, some of you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, some of you call us racists.
Some of you rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, some of you will call him a racist.
I am proud.
But, some of you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites can be racists?
Forward, if you agree.

Not saying if its right or wrong but in my 38 years I have seen more of this than the other. I will smoke out, help anyone here and never make a judgement call based on color looks or gender. Just asking for the same. Loz..

 
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