Is there a way to store PH'd water, keep it from dropping/falling?

HandyGringo · Aug 25, 2016

I know this is a noob question, but I can't seem to find any information no matter what I Google..

Can I ph like, 10 liters of water, and keep it at the same ph somehow? Keep it in a dark place? Or in a sealed container or something?

Cheers!

Dr. Who · Aug 25, 2016

Nope! Not well anyway!

The things used to adjust the pH are not "stable" and the pH will change in time - in not much time either.
Also
The dissolved O2 in the water will form into "bubbles" on the jug walls and leave the water. Dissolved O2 is good stuff! Don't leave your plant home without it! ;-)

HandyGringo · Aug 25, 2016

Dr. Who said:
Nope! Not well anyway!

The things used to adjust the pH are not "stable" and the pH will change in time - in not much time either.
Also
The dissolved O2 in the water will form into "bubbles" on the jug walls and leave the water. Dissolved O2 is good stuff! Don't leave your plant home without it!

Alright! Thanks a lot! PH'ing water is just a pain in the ass.. I guess until I get some dosages/measurements memorized at least. Odd no one have invented PH-tabs or something clever which ph your water to a certain ph..

boilingoil · Aug 25, 2016

pH stability depends on you're starting water quality. High carbonate water is harder to stabilize than RO.

Morriston55 · Aug 25, 2016

Once you do it 50 times, you can do it in less than a minute, sucks but only ph what youre going to use

The-Budster · Aug 26, 2016

Dr. Who said:
Nope! Not well anyway!

The things used to adjust the pH are not "stable" and the pH will change in time - in not much time either.
Also
The dissolved O2 in the water will form into "bubbles" on the jug walls and leave the water. Dissolved O2 is good stuff! Don't leave your plant home without it!

In regard to the pH changing in not very much time, does that still ring true for the water you have given your plants?

Could this change push you out of the golden pH 6.5 for soil?

If so how long are we talking?

VTMi'kmaq · Aug 26, 2016

Dr. Who said:
Nope! Not well anyway!

The things used to adjust the pH are not "stable" and the pH will change in time - in not much time either.
Also
The dissolved O2 in the water will form into "bubbles" on the jug walls and leave the water. Dissolved O2 is good stuff! Don't leave your plant home without it!

I was going to suggest he grab a 3-5 gallon of R/o water but what can we add to R/o water to reestablish crucial disolved soilds ans minerals etc?

VTMi'kmaq · Aug 26, 2016

ive been using these,

Dr. Who · Aug 26, 2016

The-Budster said:
In regard to the pH changing in not very much time, does that still ring true for the water you have given your plants?

Could this change push you out of the golden pH 6.5 for soil?

If so how long are we talking?

Nope, the soil and whats in it help control soil pH at all times. Soil self pH's! The thing is, you water and the ph drops around 1 whole point. As the soil dries out again. The pH rises back up to "normal". This a natural swing in pH, that allows the plant effective nutrient up-take, as some nutrients are better available at higher or lower pH values.
While soil self pH's and it's not required to pH your in- going fluids.....Many synthetic users find peace of mind by simply pHing in-going. I tell folks who are wary of not. To simply go ahead and pH all in-going. 6.5 for veg and with synthetics I like 6.7 in bloom.
Synthetics are more prone to pH problems in my book....Taking that precaution is simple, and inexpensive.

Two simple ways to avoid a pH problem in soil are:
Don't over feed
Don't over water

That help?

Dr. Who · Aug 26, 2016

VTMi'kmaq said:
I was going to suggest he grab a 3-5 gallon of R/o water but what can we add to R/o water to reestablish crucial disolved soilds ans minerals etc?

That's easy! 5ml of a good Ca/Mg! I always liked G-H CALi MAGic for that! The type of Ca used is a better "buffer" then other forms used in most Ca/Mg's!

VTMi'kmaq · Aug 26, 2016

how do you feel about the cal/phos recipe at unconventional? ice got the mussel shell's smashed so far.
http://theunconventionalfarmer.com/recipes/calphos/

VTMi'kmaq · Aug 26, 2016

I initially fried the shell's but not for a timeframe that would singe them. so I may need to start over , just an accuse to buy more mussels lol.

The-Budster · Aug 26, 2016

Dr. Who said:
Nope, the soil and whats in it help control soil pH at all times. Soil self pH's! The thing is, you water and the ph drops around 1 whole point. As the soil dries out again. The pH rises back up to "normal". This a natural swing in pH, that allows the plant effective nutrient up-take, as some nutrients are better available at higher or lower pH values.
While soil self pH's and it's not required to pH your in- going fluids.....Many synthetic users find peace of mind by simply pHing in-going. I tell folks who are wary of not. To simply go ahead and pH all in-going. 6.5 for veg and with synthetics I like 6.7 in bloom.
Synthetics are more prone to pH problems in my book....Taking that precaution is simple, and inexpensive.

Two simple ways to avoid a pH problem in soil are:
Don't over feed
Don't over water

That help?

Yeah makes sense man

I did think the pH swing wouldn't be anything drastic in the way of causing issues much.

I'm trying to get the watering right as much as possible, on my first grow so trying not to pick up the bad habit of drowning those roots as it is easy done for a noob.
As for the feed I'm still trying to work that out, I think I could be under feeding at the moment :/

Dr. Who · Aug 26, 2016

VTMi'kmaq said:
how do you feel about the cal/phos recipe at unconventional? ice got the mussel shell's smashed so far.
http://theunconventionalfarmer.com/recipes/calphos/

Well, it's not way to give RO a buffer!

I've known about that eggshell trick for awhile. Sometimes for a specific strain I have. I mix that in a bloom soil. Interesting as the foliar for hitting a transitional plant with a little slap of P.....Small and once only at the flip - bumps of P are believed to help induce flowering faster and stronger. Not exactly sure on it as I haven't done any testing to prove that.....I do give a slight P foliar at the correct time. I like it.

Michael Huntherz · Aug 26, 2016

Dr. Who said:
That's easy! 5ml of a good Ca/Mg! I always liked G-H CALi MAGic for that! The type of Ca used is a better "buffer" then other forms used in most Ca/Mg's!

I think I'm going to throw out the Botanicare CalMag Plus, the bottle sucks, the product stinks, and I keep reading how inferior it is to CaliMagic (starting like one day after I bought it...) - and since you gave it a thumbs-up for buffering RO, I'm sold.

boilingoil · Aug 26, 2016

Michael Huntherz said:
I think I'm going to throw out the Botanicare CalMag Plus, the bottle sucks, the product stinks, and I keep reading how inferior it is to CaliMagic (starting like one day after I bought it...) - and since you gave it a thumbs-up for buffering RO, I'm sold.

But I've used both the calimagic and calmag+ and I prefer the calmag+.
Why, calimagic is calcium carbonate. The same as in my tap water at 280 ppm.

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