Is This Tobacco Mosaic Virus (TMV)?

Got rid and gone all of it.. But my compost pile is infected. with what ever it is .

if it is the entire crop it is a virus, it spreads very rapidly so it is very unlikely to only infect one plant. I have had Hindu kush and Jack herer do this and tested for 17 different mosaic viruses and tested negative to every one. It is most likely genetic variation within the strain.

I had exactly the same thing on one of the plants I started growing in my first grow.
There is no way it is a virus or a pest of any kind since I bleached everything in contact with the plants
and even sterilized the soil 200 degrees in the oven for 3 hours, and I wear a tyvek overall when I go in my grow space, and I have a HEPA filter to my house and positive pressure system (I'm a bit OCD with cleaning and hygiene)

I'm sure It's genetic 100%.
The plant was otherwise fucked up too and grew weird.
I got rid of that plant early on.

That's how it looked like:

Choo-Choo said:

I had exactly the same thing on one of the plants I started growing in my first grow.
There is no way it is a virus or a pest of any kind since I bleached everything in contact with the plants
and even sterilized the soil 200 degrees in the oven for 3 hours, and I wear a tyvek overall when I go in my grow space, and I have a HEPA filter to my house and positive pressure system (I'm a bit OCD with cleaning and hygiene)

I'm sure It's genetic 100%.
The plant was otherwise fucked up too and grew weird.
I got rid of that plant early on.

That's how it looked like:

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Thats insane you have a plant that young showing those symptoms. And the fact that there are people from all over the world showing the same symptoms on plants is crazy to me.
This might be a stupid question and is really nothing, but do you happen to have berry bushes near your location? Maybe black berry bushes or some shit? Again I'm just trying to figure this shit out as well. Like someone earlier said everyone knows what its not, but who knows what it is...........

We know some of them virus can be passed threw seeds/ And once some virus is in a plant no cure.. And it spread to all my strains.... Still no sign of bugs under a 100x scope... so I do not know what it Is been growing the bb strain for 17 years... ak for 10 all infected with something.

Northernmich said:

We know some of them virus can be passed threw seeds/ And once some virus is in a plant no cure.. And it spread to all my strains.... Still no sign of bugs under a 100x scope... so I do not know what it Is been growing the bb strain for 17 years... ak for 10 all infected with something.

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So where is the virus coming from?

I am not sure at all If its virus or bacteria .. or broad mites but no mites are seen.
Here is a list of what cannabis can get B
FUNGAL DISEASES
Anthracnose
Colletotrichum coccodes (Wallroth) Hughes
= C. atramentarium (Berk. & Broome) Tauberhaus
= C. dematium (Pers.:Fr.) Grove
Black dot disease
Epicoccum nigrum Link
= Epicoccum purpurascens Ehrenb.
Black mildew
Schiffnerula cannabis McPartland & Hughes
Brown blight
Alternaria alternata (Fr.:Fr.) Keissl.
= A. tenuis Nees
Brown leaf spot and stem canker
Ascochyta spp.
A. prasadii Shukia & Pathak
Phoma spp.
Didymella spp. [teleomorph]
P. exigua Desmaz.
P. glomerata (Corda) Wollenweb. & Hochapfel
P. herbarum Westendorp
Charcoal rot
Macrophomina phaseolina (Tassi) Goidanich
Cladosporium stem canker
Cladosporium cladosporioides (Fresen.) De Vries.
C. herbarum (Pers.:Fr.) Link
Mycosphaerella tassiana (De Not.) Johan. [teleomorph]
Curvularia leaf spot
Curvularia cymbopogonis (C. W. Dodge) Groves
& Skolko
C. lunata (Wakker) Boedijn
Cochliobolus lunatus Nelson & Haasis [teleomorph]
Cylindrosporium blight
Cylindrosporium spp.
C. cannabinum Ibrahimov
Damping-off
Botrytis cinerea Pers.:Fr.
Botryotinia fuckeliana (de Bary) Whetzel [teleomorph]
Fusarium oxysporum Schlechtend.:Fr.
F. solani (Mart.) Sacc.
Nectria haematococca Berk. & Broome [teleomorph]
Macrophomina phaseolina (Tassi) Goidanich
Pythium aphanidermatum (Edson) Fitzp.
P. debaryanum auct. non Hesse
P. ultimum Trow
Rhizoctonia solani Kühn
Thanatophorus cucumeris (A. B. Frank) Donk
[teleomorph]
= Pellicularia filamentosa (Pat) D. P. Rogers
Downy mildew
Pseudoperonospora cannabina (Otth) Curzi
P. humuli (Miyabe & Takah.) G. W. Wils.
Fusarium foot rot and root rot
Fusarium solani (Mart.) Sacc.
Fusarium stem canker
Fusarium sulphureum Schlechtend.
Gibberella cyanogena (Desmaz.) Sacc. [teleomorph]
= G. saubinett (Mont.) Sacc.
Fusarium wilt
Fusarium oxysporum Schlechtend.:Fr. f. sp. cannabis
Noviello & W. C. Snyder
F. oxysporum Schlechtend.Fr. f. sp. vasinfectum (Atk.)
W. C. Snyder & H. N. Hans.
Gray mold
Botrytis cinerea Pers.:Fr.
Hemp canker
Sclerotinia sclerotiorum (Lib.) de Bary
Leptosphaeria blight
Leptosphaeria cannabina Ferraris & Massa
L. woroninii Docea & Negru
L. acuta (Fuckel) P. Karst.
Olive leaf spot
Cercospora cannabis K. Hara & Fukui
Pseudocercospora cannabina (Wakef.) Deighton
Ophiobolus stem canker
Ophiobolus cannabinus Pass.
O. anguillidus (Cooke in Cooke & Ellis) Sacc.
Phoma stem canker
Phoma herbarum Westendorp.
P. exigua Desmaz
Phomopsis stem canker
Phomopsis cannabina Curzi
P. achilleae (Sacc.) Hohn.
Diaporthe arctii (Lasch) Nitschke var. achilleae
(Auersw.) Wehmeyer [teleomorph]
Phymatotrichum root rot (Cotton root rot)
Phymatotrichopsis omnivora (Duggar) Hennebert
= Phymatotrichum omnivorum Duggar
Pink rot
Trichothecium roseum (Pers.:Fr.) Link
= Cephalothecium roseum Corda
Powdery mildew
Leveillula taurica (Lév.) Arnaud.
Oidiopsis taurica Salmon [anamorph]
Sphaerotheca macularis (Wallroth:Fr.) Lind
= S. humuli (DC.) Burrill
Oidium sp. [anamorph]
Red boot
Melanospora cannabis Behrens (secondary on hemp canker)
Rhizoctonia soreshin and root rot
Rhizoctonia solani Kühn
Rust
Aecidium cannabis Szembel
Uredo kriegeriana Syd. & P. Syd.
Uromyces inconspicuus Otth
Southern blight (Sclerotium root and stem rot)
Sclerotium rolfsii Sacc.
Athelia rolfsii (Curzi) Tu & Kimbrough [teleomorph]
Stemphylium leaf and stem spot
Stemphylium botryosum Wallroth
Pleospora tarda E. Simmons [teleomorph]
S. cannabinum (Bachtin & Gutner) Dobrozrakova et al.
Tar spot
Phyllachora cannabidis (P. Henn.)
Tropical rot
Lasiodiplodia theobromae (Pat.) Griffon & Maubl.
= Botryodiplodia theobromae Pat.
Twig blight
Dendrophoma marconii Cav.
Botryosphaeria marconii V. Charles & Jenkins
[teleomorph]
Verticillium wilt
Verticillium albo-atrum Reinke & Berthier
V. dahliae Kleb.
White leaf spot
Phomopsis ganjae McPartland
Yellow leaf spot
Septoria cannabis (Lasch) Sacc.
S. cannabina Peck
NEMATODE DISEASES
Cyst
Heterodera humuli Filipjev
H. schachtii Schmidt
Needle
Paralongidorus maximus (Butschli) Siddiqi
= Longidorus maximus (Butschli) Th. & Swang.
Root-knot
Meloidogyne incognita (Kofoid &White) Chitwood
M. javanica (Treub) Chitwood
Stem
Ditylenchus dipsaci (Kühn) Filipjev
VIRAL DISEASES
Alfalfa mosaic & Lucerne mosaic
genus Alfamovirus, Alfalfa mosaic virus (AMV)
Arabis mosaic
genus Nepovirus, Arabis mosaic virus (ArMV)
Cucumber mosaic
genus Cucumovirus, Cucumber mosaic virus (CMV)
Hemp mosaic
genus ?, Hemp mosaic virus
Hemp streak
genus ?, Hemp streak virus
PHYTOPLASMAL DISEASES
Witches' broom
DISEASES CAUSED BY PARASITIC PLANTS
Broomrape
Orobanche ramosa L.
Dodder
Cuscuta europaea L.
C. pentagona Eng.
MISCELLANEOUS DISEASES OR DISORDERS
Fasciation
Cause undetermined
Grey fleck
Magnesium deficiency
Tipburn & leaf margin necrosis
Potassium deficiency

Northernmich said:

Got rid and gone all of it.. But my compost pile is infected. with what ever it is .

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BINGO!

Northernmich said:

We know some of them virus can be passed threw seeds/ And once some virus is in a plant no cure.. And it spread to all my strains.... Still no sign of bugs under a 100x scope... so I do not know what it Is been growing the bb strain for 17 years... ak for 10 all infected with something.

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See your post above this.....

Northernmich said:

I am not sure at all If its virus or bacteria .. or broad mites but no mites are seen.
Here is a list of what cannabis can get B
FUNGAL DISEASES

XYZ - please see the post for the whole list

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Where did you get this? Link me in!

There is NO such thing as "hemp mosaic virus" in cannabis! They must have saw "Sunn - Hemp Mosaic" known as "The bean mosaic" Virus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunn-hemp_mosaic_virus

The internet has created a whole crop of folks looking at pictures and thinking they "found" their problem! Just because it "looks" (most do not look like what they're seeing in pictures at all - unless of course it's from mistaken diagnosis to start with! You post up a picture of a cow and call it a horse - enough times - and search for pictures of a horse - The cow picture will come up!) like what they think they have....

NOT TRUE!

The list you give is BS!
EXAMPLE: "Tip burn & Leaf margin necrosis" LMFAO! That is NOT disease or "illness" in cannabis (or any other plant!)- It's a result of how you feed - Tip burn is a sign that your "pushing" it close to overfeeding.....

OMFG! Even WIKI is listing things that are not Cannabis problems! Garbage in = Garbage out!

READ this -

"Viruses
Viruses rarely kill Cannabis. They only exist and replicate in living plants. Viruses can, however, seriously reduce yields. Once acquired, they are nearly impossible to eradicate. Viruses invade all parts of plants. Pollen and seed infections transmit viruses to subsequent generations.
Five viral syndromes are described in the literature. In addition to these naturally-occurring infections, Hartowicz et al. (1971) screened 22 common plant viruses for their ability to infect wild hemp. Over half the viruses could infect Cannabis.
The hemp streak virus (HSV) is frequently cited on fiber cultivars in Europe. Foliar symptoms begin as a pale green chlorosis. Chlorotic areas soon develop into a series of interveinal yellow streaks or chevron-stripes. Some-times brown necrotic flecks appear, each fleck surrounded by a pale green halo. Flecks appear along the margins and tips of older leaves and often coalesce. Streak symptoms predominate in moist weather, flecks appear during dry weather. Leaf margins become wrinkled and leaf tips roll upward, leaflets curl into spirals. Whole plants assume a "wavy wilt" appearance.
The hemp mozaic virus has been described on fiber cultivars in Europe and drug cultivars in Pakistan. Symptoms were described as a gray leaf mosaics. Three other viruses have been cited on European hemp—the alfalfa mozaic virus (=lucerne mozaic virus), cucumber mozaic virus, and the arabis mozaic virus. Many insects transmit these viruses as they feed from plant to plant. According to Ceapoiu (195, the worst vectors of Cannabis viruses are bhang aphids (Phorodon cannabis), greenhouse whiteflies (Trialeudodes vaporariorum), onion thrips (Thrips tabaci) and green peach aphids (Myzus persicae)."

This is from - http://www.internationalhempassociation.org/jiha/iha03111.html

This is an EU fiber hemp growing group! This almost exactly what I heard from an MSU professor that I spoke with at length about mosaic and other virus's in cannabis. He states he has not "seen" any "true" mosaic virus in cannabis! He says that all there is recorded (in the US), is written descriptions of what fiber hemp farmers had in the early 20th century on "hemp" farms. He thinks that possibly the medical and recreational breeding, is breeding the vulnerability out of our strains.....This is the prof and his grad students that tested all my samples sent to him - HUNDREDS!

I have this passionate HATE for the bulk of misinformation on cannabis - spread by the likes of Jorge (Myth man) Cervantes and things like that "list"....

#1 HMV is really Sunn Hemp virus! Sunn hemp is a BEAN!

#2 The pics that Stronironi posted (second set last pic) show possible "Hemp streak virus"......That is not a "mosaic"....It's rare and you have to go back to Burn it to "fix" it!

More then half the crap perpetuated by online guesstamaters about cannabis disease's,,,, is BS!

Pardon me for being grumpy.....This TMV or any "Mosaic" virus thread makes me get up on the wrong side of the bed!

Things I know to be true.....Cannabis is listed with 4 virus's that it can get.

It was tested in fiber hemp that it can get 22 other virus's. These virus's had to be manually applied for the infection to grow! NOT by natural vectors! When exposed to these "natural vectors". The infection did not transmit!

@Northernmich

You never gave us pics of your infected plants! Please do! I'll bet I can figure it out....

BTW - you don't really "see" broad mites much.....

[/IMG] [/IMG] I wish I could give you the photos.. but I destroyed everything all of it... Been fighting this for over 6 months... No Idea what it was.. Thought it was a hemp virus but I do not know.. maybe broad mites but the end result for both was to start up new. "Tip burn & Leaf margin necrosis" LMFAO! That is NOT disease or "illness" Nope it is an Illness caused by nutes>>> the link,
https://www.apsnet.org/publications/commonnames/Pages/Hemp.aspx

Found the above test results on a different site. Not sure who is the tester.

Ok...you guys sound like you know what you are talking about. What do you think? Do I toss it? It's six weeks in...has always looked like this and none of the other plant look anything like this.

Holy shit another case...........WTF is this shit?!?!? Its fucking everywhere.............

The seeds are blue dream from ILGM.

I would toss it .. I had to toss my whole garden.

How long would it take to effect the other plants? None of them show signs right now. I was going to switch to flowering next week. I know I have touched the effected one and then touched the others so if it spreads that way I'm sure they will get it. Is it worth finishing it out and just removing the one?

Remove the one I guess ,,, I am not the one here to give advice.. I just do what is best for my garden.. But my garden had the same leaf pattern then other issues spread to the whole thing...And i would never admit I know what this is..

Did it start with one and spread? Some else thought it was bad genes. Either way I will have to treat the room before the next grow to be safe.

Viruses
Viruses rarely kill Cannabis. They only exist and replicate in living plants. Viruses can, however, seriously reduce yields. Once acquired, they are nearly impossible to eradicate. Viruses invade all parts of plants. Pollen and seed infections transmit viruses to subsequent generations. << As posted above.. I believe that it is a virus.

3 weeks in flowering. It's gettin really bad now...