captainmorgan
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He doesn't even try to hide that he's Putin's bitch any more, they must be confident the election system is rigged and ready to steal coming elections.
It’s official...
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Unclebaldrick
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Imagine... Trump doing something that benefits Putin... again.
Sativied
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And again, and again, to a point where people become numb to the blatant traitor in the WH, no longer find it deserving of outrage. A what else is new sort of thing. Which makes it only worse.
For all I know Alex did a great job but American sportsmen are “sons of bitches” and unpatriotic while the Russian guy gets a shoutout:
“Congratulations to the Washington Capitals on their GREAT play and winning the Stanley Cup Championship. Alex Ovechkin, the team captain, was spectacular - a true Superstar! D.C. is popping, in many ways. What a time!” - Trump
Maybe he realizes he and his entire family will be welcome only in Russia when this nightmare is over.
captainmorgan
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tRUmp loves sucking russian dick.
Roger A. Shrubber
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a Nuclear family
Sativied
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Fogdog
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True, that.
Trump calls for Russia to be reinstated to G-7, threatens allies on trade
QUEBEC CITY — President Trump on Friday said Russia should be readmitted to the Group of Seven leading economies, breaking with other world leaders who have insisted that Moscow remain ostracized after its 2014 annexation of Crimea.
“Now, I love our country. I have been Russia’s worst nightmare . . . . But with that being said, Russia should be in this meeting,” Trump said Friday as he left the White House. “Whether you like it or not, and it may not be politically correct, but we have a world to run . . . . They should let Russia come back in.”
Russia has the 11th largest economy. We should talk about bringing South Korea and Australia into the G-X before Russia.
A trade war with Europe over a treaty that is working? Uckk
Sativied
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He’s sabotaging the US relations and entirely missing the opportunity the G7 can be.
Even more after Brexit, Merkel and Macron have a lot of influence in the EU. It’s not uncommon for leaders of France and Germany to meet and align their agenda on major topics before they try to convince the rest of the EU. Trump’s undiplomatic and downright rude approach towards them is going to cost americans money. As well as europeans, paying the retaliatory “taxes”. As many warned, there will be only losers in a trade war.
“President Donald Trump's views on foreign policy -- and, really, everything -- are surprisingly simple: He likes people who are nice to him and do things he wants and he doesn't like people who aren't nice to him and don't do things he wants.” -some CNN article
Trump 2020:
Unclebaldrick
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Trump's G-7
USA
Russia
China
North Korea
The Philippines
Israel
Ivanka, representing the Trump Organization
USA
Russia
China
North Korea
The Philippines
Israel
Ivanka, representing the Trump Organization
Unclebaldrick
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In a sense, I agree that he is Russia's worst nightmare - because he is Putin's wet dream. There is a difference.
Fogdog
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Wishful thinking has DT in jail. I'm one of them, don't get me wrong. I just can't believe it will happen.He’s sabotaging the US relations and entirely missing the opportunity the G7 can be.
Even more after Brexit, Merkel and Macron have a lot of influence in the EU. It’s not uncommon for leaders of France and Germany to meet and align their agenda on major topics before they try to convince the rest of the EU. Trump’s undiplomatic and downright rude approach towards them is going to cost americans money. As well as europeans, paying the retaliatory “taxes”. As many warned, there will be only losers in a trade war.
“President Donald Trump's views on foreign policy -- and, really, everything -- are surprisingly simple: He likes people who are nice to him and do things he wants and he doesn't like people who aren't nice to him and don't do things he wants.” -some CNN article
Trump 2020:
The best we can hope for is Democrats break the Republican death grip on our government in November and democracy in the US weathers the storm of the last two years of the worst presidency in a western nation since 1945. Democrats taking a majority in the House is less likely than the national press makes it out to be. Winning back the House of Representatives is not nearly as certain as those who predict a blue tsunami are saying it is
With the closeness of Putin and Trump, Trump's hostile actions to (former?) US allies and Trump's German ambassador's rather strange love affair with German right wing populists, I can't help but suspect a greater conspiracy.
I don't think the international community will forgive us for what a minority of the voters in this nation did to them. We are less than 2 years into his Presidency and it's already likely that the world will be cast into economic chaos by 2020.
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Sativied
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Saudi Arabia should be on that list.
“A day before U.S. President Donald Trump withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal, one of his senior officials phoned Saudi Arabia to ask the world’s largest oil exporter to help keep prices stable if the decision disrupted supply.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oil-opec-usa-exclusive/exclusive-trump-requested-saudi-oil-support-before-iran-nuclear-decision-sources-idUSKCN1J31XU
Unclebaldrick
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It has not only happened here. Many of our allies understand this nationalist shitstorm from their own experiences.
Unclebaldrick
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I left them out because of Israel. but you are right.
Fogdog
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What's startling is that it IS happening here, in the world's largest economy. Not startling because Trump but because about 40% of the country wanted him and still support him. Those people will still be around and voting long after Trump is gone. We have at least 10 years of political instability caused by right wingnuts ahead of us.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i want a presidential candidate that will run of a platform of " ERASING EVERYTHING TRUMP DID"...dismiss all his croney appointees, put a fucking scientist in charge of nasa, and give him a budget, get a new trade deal worked out with our allies that doesn't make them feel like we're their enemies, send some reasonable, seasoned, experienced diplomats overseas to start the decades long process of redeeming ourselves in the eyes of the rest of the world.....and so much more, plus whatever he does from now till he gets put out of office like the trash
Sativied
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It would sure help to repair the reputation of the US, a “Nation of Laws”.
In NL we are frequently reminded by leading politicians the US are still our friends and allies. The fact they feel the need to do so says a LOT. WWII resulted in a huge amount of goodwill for the US, especially in west europe, including countries who founded and fund the EU. The latest generations didn’t grow up with that same affection, and anti-americanism has been on the rise since Bush jr.
Trump is certainly damaging whatever was left of that goodwill but I like to think at least half the EU realizes half the US is just as crazy as half the EU. In NL there is Wilders backed by 15-20% the voters (was higher pre-Trump). In France 44% of voters between 18-24 voted for Marie Le Pen (that’s like every white student). Italy is now ruled by populists, Poland is racist as fuck, Hungary is ruled by a racist dictator, Austria is repeating history, Germany, Belgium, they all have their own mad populists and nazi wannabees. America is perhaps merely ahead of the curve.
The sane half (optimistically speaking) in the EU is still counting on Trump being a phase and things will go largely back to normal shortly after he is replaced. We’re hoping Trump is killing the GOP or at least paralyzes it for few decades. One of the biggest political worries in several EU countries is that we might get a Trump too. Turning Trump into a lame duck in November would certainly help a lot. Bring on that blue wave.
Sativied
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Maybe Putin convinced Trump the insane half of the EU will win and those are his future allies. I thought we got a nut job but the ambassador Germany got is even worse.
This is what we, 13th largest US trading partner, who has a relatively (to the 17mil population) HUGE trade deficit with the US (and a surplus with almost everyone else), got as an ambassador:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/23/us-ambassador-netherlands-apologises-fake-news-interview-muslim-no-go-zones
Trump sent us back one of them crazy christians...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_the_United_States
Per capita, we send more money to the US than most if not anyone else. In a few weeks our PM will visit Trump. The steel and alu tarrifs are hurting several companies here who specialize in very thin metal, like for cans. One of the topics will be more pressure and sanctions for Russia in regards to the MH17 downing, something the Netherlands is heavily lobbying for. It’s an important issue for all dutch (national trauma, we want justice) and if Trump isn’t going to be cooperative I can see more people starting to avoid buying American, going on vacation to Ottawa instead, and focusing more on business with Canada and China. Especially with Trump so openly sucking up to Putin, for most dutch currently the world’s most evil villain. Trump wants us to send people to Afghanistan again (to train cops or so again iirc) while the tarrifs are implemented because our steel and alu is supposedly a threat to US security...
I expect our PM to smile, laugh, and be respectful and operate on that assumption Trump is just a phase. We don’t care about the deficit as we know it means nothing. Our PM is a rightwinged liberal intellectual on his third term (voted for him twice) and extremely diplomatic so I don’t expect major conflicts. Should be good for a few awkward moments.
Fogdog
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Of course people are going to start boycotting US-made products. I'd do exactly the same thing if I weren't a US citizen.
What would be called a right wing politician in the NL is a centrist or moderate in this country. Maybe even left leaning. Our right wing is insane.
While Trump is bad, I see him as a symptom and not the cause. The cause is an aging, white, entitled group who are absolutely rapacious in their quest for consumption. They are obese, unhappy, insecure and overworked due to their antipathy to unions and cooperation with others. The wealthy of this country are just like them except ten times worse. When Trump is gone, they will still be there and perhaps looking to replace him with somebody even more extreme. Demographic models show the US is slowly over time shifting away from these parasites but we will see a tug of war between them and more moderate-to-left population groups in the US that are growing and set to become the majority in about ten years time.
Every economist warns about Trump's tariffs and trade wars but the hard right love them. The larger threat is that Trump is using economic stimulus during a growth cycle. We will have few economic stimulus tools to help reduce the effects of recession when his actions trigger one. Our deficit spending that was greatly accelerated by Trump's tax cut is a drag on the world economy too.
I can completely understand if world opinion turns against the US over the actions of our reactionary right wing nuts. I don't think things will ever get back to where they were before the apple cart was upset.