Jackson shop raided last night?

Shit, why can't they just call the seeds souvenirs from medicinal mj states and leave it alone?
 
They definitely need better clarification of seed or cutting transfers. Above and beyond all they need to make non-profit transfers between all patients and caregivers legal. I don't see any good reason I can't give out free clones or meds to other caregivers or patients in need.
 
Cory and trevor said:
cuttings are plants are illegal to transfer. That is what matt able said last night. seeds....grey as the michigan sky
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So ridiculous! No dispensaries to buy meds from now, so what is a patient to do now that is faced with the prospect of growing their own meds? Starting from a rooted clone is pretty easy. Most of the work has been done for you. Having to acquire, germinate, sex, and phenotype-hunt with seeds is going to be a tough task for a new grower.
 
so how would I (as a current pat) get the clones i need to start my grow when i decide its time to change from pat to cg...legally? i dont want to start from seed, but by clone.
 
That my line of thought. I'm sick of it really. I have never showed any shame for my use of cannabis. For being "legal" it messes with you right to drive, to bear arms, it restricts where you can carry medicine, who you can share with or sell too. Now they even want to add how much you can purchase? Bullshit really! Its a plant, a safe one at that. I don't see why they are so concern with who can sell it to who, if they actually gave a fuck about it as medicine they would be trying to regulate quality of product and making sure everything is up to medical standards. They are only concerned with making sure no one is able to treat what they do out of love as a career choice!

st0wandgrow said:
Right on C&T!! I refuse to act like marijuana is some horrible monster to my children. I don't sit and blow smoke rings in their face, but I also don't hide the fact that their dad is a patient and caregiver, and what I'm doing is helping me and others. Weed will not have some ridiculous stigma attached to it in my house.
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DemonTrich said:
so how would I (as a current pat) get the clones i need to start my grow when i decide its time to change from pat to cg...legally? i dont want to start from seed, but by clone.
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If you mention it in the Michigan Patients section when you're ready/mostly setup, and ask for people to mail you about it if any know of a place.. you may find a few that are willing to give you a few to get you started, or they'd be very low cost - those who medicate due to health issues, and the RIU group as a whole (save a few headache users) are quite understanding of the hardships / headache associated with obtaining clones in a state that wants to half-ass the legislation, and not at least decriminalize it to make progress forward like Colorado has.
 
Cory and trevor said:
Wow doc, threadcrash much LOL. I like you bob but sometimes I think you might stir the pot some. OK so it's "an item for sale" but an item expressly stated as not medicine in the act. As a doctor, can't you say with truth and certainty that it's not medicine and has no medical value or use? So the act says it doesn't count as weight, no doctor in their right mind would call it usable medicine and it's not a plant, I see how it's stated as not illegal, I still don't see how it becomes illegal all of a sudden when it's transfered (sale, wtf ever, all the same in court now) help me see that. I see how a bucket of trimmings could by magic of prosecutor trickery they could become "cuttings" and even without roots "plants" in the eyes of the law but I can't follow your jump to illegal seeds from sale of seed. And I really can't see how a seed discussion comes to doctors getting boned by the courts and prosecutors.
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How it all ties in is that it is tricks prosecutors use to try and get a conviction. Thought that was clear. Just pointing out the argument. Hopefully you saw the point as to why something that normally would be considered inconsequential becomes consequential because you are selling it separately as a product in itself. And no, you don't need to get a 3/4 majority to make that argument.

What are cannabis seeds considered under the public health code? Cannabis. The MMMA considers them disposable incidental trim until you sell them on their own. Trim to be thrown out is incidental. Trim you purchase by the bag to make oil is marijuana. All comes down to intent.


Dr. Bob
 
fig, that post was maily about how to aquire clones, legally. as a P, its illegal, untill i change my state designation from P to CG. but there a 21 day grace priod where your in "limbo". thats what i was referring to. and im sure i can inquire to a few great growers on here about obtaining clones for my grow when im ready. as soon as this fvckin electrician stops blowing me off. 5 days in a row :(
 
DemonTrich said:
fig, that post was maily about how to aquire clones, legally. as a P, its illegal, untill i change my state designation from P to CG. but there a 21 day grace priod where your in "limbo". thats what i was referring to. and im sure i can inquire to a few great growers on here about obtaining clones for my grow when im ready. as soon as this fvckin electrician stops blowing me off. 5 days in a row :(
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Patients can't acquire clones to grow their own, only caregivers can in Michigan? Wow, I must have misread something in the documents that were floating around.. unless you're speaking specifically of the grace period - in which case... I'd say be extremely careful or wait it out. I am not a lawyer, nor do I claim to be. There may be a translation that you may find favorable in the way the law reads though.
 
DemonTrich said:
fig, that post was maily about how to aquire clones, legally. as a P, its illegal, untill i change my state designation from P to CG. but there a 21 day grace priod where your in "limbo". thats what i was referring to. and im sure i can inquire to a few great growers on here about obtaining clones for my grow when im ready. as soon as this fvckin electrician stops blowing me off. 5 days in a row :(
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Is CG to CG even legal??? I thought under the new ruling that any transfer whatsoever that isn't between a caregiver and their state registered patient is illegal.
 
any transfer to anyone NOT in your designation is illegal.

fig, im talking about me going from a P status to a C status. which will happen in a month or so. theres a 21 days legal limbo before i could legally possess plants. but then that will put me 21 days behind my grow, and will exhaust ALL my medicine. which in turn would force me to seek meds form my old C (who btw is NOT my legal C any longer due to my current C status) and is now illegal for me to buy from him or anyone else for that matter. its a catch 22 if i run out of meds, thanks to the law makers. see my point.
 
DemonTrich said:
any transfer to anyone NOT in your designation is illegal.

fig, im talking about me going from a P status to a C status. which will happen in a month or so. theres a 21 days legal limbo before i could legally possess plants. but then that will put me 21 days behind my grow, and will exhaust ALL my medicine. which in turn would force me to seek meds form my old C (who btw is NOT my legal C any longer due to my current C status) and is now illegal for me to buy from him or anyone else for that matter. its a catch 22 if i run out of meds, thanks to the law makers. see my point.
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Yup, definitely see your point and there should be provision that was also put in with this change, since they wanted to get retarded and not take into account the well-being of those who happen to need medicinal mj to handle the pain and other issues, seeing as they -do- have the card legitimately.
 
i could max my med out at 2.5oz when i start my grow. then start the grow (w/ beans as securing clones or plants is ILLEGAL from other C's per the new dumb ass law). then that puts me at 45 days to veg, 30 days to flower, 3 weeks to cure, total of 95 weeks untill my meds are ready to smoke. 2.5 oz might last me a month or 2. LOL good job politicians, way to FAIL!!!!!!
 
DemonTrich said:
i could max my med out at 2.5oz when i start my grow. then start the grow (w/ beans as securing clones or plants is ILLEGAL from other C's per the new dumb ass law). then that puts me at 45 days to veg, 30 days to flower, 3 weeks to cure, total of 95 weeks untill my meds are ready to smoke. 2.5 oz might last me a month or 2. LOL good job politicians, way to FAIL!!!!!!
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Wow, was going to ask if you were trying for a 20ft Afghani until I re-read.. spotted the '95 weeks until my meds are ready' then figured you were typing while frustrated, and mental gear changed and you swapped out a word.. lol :D
 
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