January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.

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Define terrorism?

How about the crime of Stochastic Terrorism? Inciting the public to do this shit with your words and actions? How about if you are an elected official the penalties are mandatory minimums? What if the law makes it as easy to prove as an old pot law? What if they treated these terrorists the way they used to treat pot smokers FFS! Or better yet crackheads.That was constitutional.
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6,210 views Jun 23, 2022 The only reason Trump was unsuccessful in his attempts to overthrow democracy was because individuals like Ms. Wandrea “Shaye” Moss lived up to the tradition of ordinary Americans standing up to do the right thing.
 
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Opinion | Trump’s Pardon Abuses Expose the Myth of Unlimited Presidential Power
Giving pardons to people who helped him further the Big Lie is not what the framers intended. Congress can fix it.

One of the recurring themes of the Jan. 6 Committee hearings has been requests for presidential pardons by people who advanced Donald Trump’s election fraud lies and attempt to override Joe Biden’s unequivocal win.

At the first hearing, Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), the vice chair of the committee, announced in her opening statement that Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.) “contacted the White House in the weeks after Jan. 6 to seek a presidential pardon,” and that “multiple other Republican congressmen also sought presidential pardons for their roles in attempting to overturn the 2020 election.” (Perry has denied the allegation; the committee has several more hearings at which to disclose the evidence supporting Cheney’s claim.)

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Trump's Fake Elector Scheme Becomes More Than Just A Scandal
357,933 views Jun 23, 2022 Rachel Maddow looks at the ways the weird fake elector scheme to negate Donald Trump's 2020 election loss has become increasingly serious (even when it was ridiculous), with federal subpoenas being issued to participants in the scheme in multiple states.
 

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T**** Campaign Staff Didn't Notice Film Crew At WH | Johnson Runs Away From Fake Elector Scheme
915,965 views Jun 23, 2022 The former president's campaign staff reportedly didn't notice the documentary crew filming at the White House before, during and after January 6th, and Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson is doing a lousy job of distancing himself from a scheme to submit fake electors to the Vice President.
 

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64 percent in new poll say they think Jan. 6 attack was planned
Nearly two-thirds of U.S. adults believe the Jan. 6, 2021 riot at the Capitol was planned, according to a new Quinnipiac poll.

The poll found that 64 percent of respondents believed the attack was planned and 30 percent believed it was spontaneous.

Democrats were more likely to believe the attack was planned — only 13 percent said it was spontaneous — while Republicans were more divided. Forty-nine percent of Republicans said the attack was planned, compared to 46 percent who said it was spontaneous.

Nearly 6 in 10 respondents believe former President Trump bears at least some responsibility for the storming of the Capitol, with 41 percent saying he bears a lot of responsibility.

But when asked if they thought Trump committed a crime in his efforts to change the 2020 presidential election results, Americans were split. Forty-six percent said he committed a crime but 47 percent said he did not.

“Yes, the January 6 attack was planned, say more than 60 percent of Americans, and a majority say yes, former President Trump bears a measure of responsibility for the calamity that ensued,” Quinnipiac University polling analyst Tim Malloy said in a release. “But criminal charges for Trump? It’s a toss-up. There is no consensus.”

The pollsters noted that the proportion of people believing Trump committed a crime was “essentially unchanged” from when the question was asked in early April.

A majority of respondents — 58 percent — said they were following news about the committee’s work at least somewhat closely, but 24 percent said they were not watching closely at all. Seventeen percent said they were watching its work not so closely.

The poll surveyed 1,524 adults nationwide between June 17 and June 20, with a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points.
 

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Almost 6 in 10 say they are following Jan. 6 panel’s work closely
More than half of Americans said they are following the House select committee investigating the Jan 6, 2021, Capitol attack slew of hearings closely, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll.

The poll, published on Thursday, found that 58 percent of respondents said they are following the committee’s hearings closely, with 26 percent following the hearings “very” closely and 32 percent following the hearings “somewhat” closely.

Seventeen percent of respondents said in the poll that they are not following the committee’s hearings that closely and 24 percent of those surveyed said they are not following the hearings at all, according to the poll.

Forty-six percent of those surveyed said that they believe former President Trump committed a crime on Jan 6, while 47 percent of respondents said he did not.

Forty-one percent of respondents said that Trump bears “a lot” of responsibility for the Capitol insurrection and 18 percent of those surveyed said that Trump has “some” responsibility of the eventual outcome of the insurrection.

Seventy-seven percent of respondents believe that extremism in the country is a bigger threat to the U.S. than extremism from other countries, while 17 percent of those surveyed said extremism from other countries is a more serious threat.
 

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Seventy-seven percent of respondents believe that extremism in the country is a bigger threat to the U.S. than extremism from other countries, while 17 percent of those surveyed said extremism from other countries is a more serious threat.
that is an interesting statistic, and pretty clearly shows the size of the minority that is holding the rest of the country hostage.
a little less than 20% of the population has been radicalized by the far right, white hate groups, foreign agents operating on social media...they're essentially all in the same cult, and we have to put a stop to this shit. they can't be allowed to make public policy, they can't be allowed to influence political thought, they can't be allowed to normalize their shitty behavior.
 

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64 percent in new poll say they think Jan. 6 attack was planned
Nearly two-thirds of U.S. adults believe the Jan. 6, 2021 riot at the Capitol was planned, according to a new Quinnipiac poll.

The poll found that 64 percent of respondents believed the attack was planned and 30 percent believed it was spontaneous.

Democrats were more likely to believe the attack was planned — only 13 percent said it was spontaneous — while Republicans were more divided. Forty-nine percent of Republicans said the attack was planned, compared to 46 percent who said it was spontaneous.

Nearly 6 in 10 respondents believe former President Trump bears at least some responsibility for the storming of the Capitol, with 41 percent saying he bears a lot of responsibility.

But when asked if they thought Trump committed a crime in his efforts to change the 2020 presidential election results, Americans were split. Forty-six percent said he committed a crime but 47 percent said he did not.

“Yes, the January 6 attack was planned, say more than 60 percent of Americans, and a majority say yes, former President Trump bears a measure of responsibility for the calamity that ensued,” Quinnipiac University polling analyst Tim Malloy said in a release. “But criminal charges for Trump? It’s a toss-up. There is no consensus.”

The pollsters noted that the proportion of people believing Trump committed a crime was “essentially unchanged” from when the question was asked in early April.

A majority of respondents — 58 percent — said they were following news about the committee’s work at least somewhat closely, but 24 percent said they were not watching closely at all. Seventeen percent said they were watching its work not so closely.

The poll surveyed 1,524 adults nationwide between June 17 and June 20, with a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points.
They will be left on the floor of the basement, the 30% of antisocial assholes every country has, by the time the dust settles on this.
 

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FBI seizes Nevada GOP chairman’s phone as part of fake elector probe
FBI agents served a search warrant Wednesday on Nevada’s top GOP official, sources told KLAS.

Agents seized the cell phone of state Republican chairman Michael McDonald reportedly as part of an investigation into an alleged fake elector scheme initiated at the end of the 2020 presidential election.

In December 2020, KLAS reported that the Nevada Republican Party’s six electors signed paperwork signaling their support for former President Donald Trump in a symbolic ceremony devoid of any legal merit, which was held in Carson City and coincided with the official state-sanctioned tally on Dec. 14, 2020.

A second search warrant was issued for state party secretary James DeGraffenreid, who also signed the document, but FBI agents could not locate him Wednesday, sources told KLAS.

President Joe Biden won the presidential race in Nevada by more than 2%. He received the state’s six electoral votes in the official state ceremony, overseen by Republican Secretary of State Barbara Cegavske.

A video of the GOP event has since been deleted. In January, KLAS received a copy of the fake certificates, which attempted to certify the state’s electoral votes to Trump.

The certificate received by the National Archives looks much different than the official state-sealed one and reads, “We, the undersigned, being the duly elected and qualified electors for president and vice president of the United States of America from the State of Nevada, do hereby certify six electoral votes for Trump.”

In a statement after the event, Nevada GOP chair Michael McDonald said the party’s electors convened in Carson City due to ongoing legal battles seeking to overturn the election results. Nevada Republicans lost all court cases involving allegations of voter fraud.

McDonald’s attorney, Richard Wright, was unavailable Wednesday. Defense attorney George Kelesis told KLAS he had “no comment about the FBI.”

The subpoenas, issued in late January, said in part, “… We are seeking information about your role and participation in the purported slate of electors casting votes for Donald Trump and, to the extent relevant, your role in the events of January 6, 2021.”
 

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Feds search home of former DOJ official Trump sought to install as AG: reports
Federal law enforcement this week searched the home of Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department official accused of trying to use the agency to pursue former President Trump’s election fraud allegations, multiple news outlets reported Thursday.

According to The New York Times, Clark’s suburban Virginia home was searched on Wednesday, a day before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack was set to hear from former DOJ officials about the internal strife in the Trump administration following the 2020 election.

A spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s office in D.C. did not immediately respond when asked for comment on the reports.

Clark was central to Trump’s pressure campaign at the DOJ and Trump even weighed installing him as attorney general, according to previously released material.

The mid-level attorney, who specialized in environmental law, was one of Trump’s top advocates for forwarding election fraud claims. He pushed the DOJ to send a letter to Georgia asking it to hold off on certifying its election results so the Justice Department could announce an investigation into voter fraud there.

That pressure campaign came to a head at a Jan. 3 meeting in which Trump told his DOJ leadership he was weighing ousting them in favor of Clark, who had for days been pushing Trump allies’ claims around voter fraud.

Then-acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen and his deputy, Richard Donoghue, were surprised to get an email from Clark prior to their White House meeting promoting “various theories that seemed to be derived from the internet,” according to Donoghue.

That included a theory that the Chinese government may have hacked into Dominion voting machines through a smart thermostat. He followed with a request for an intelligence community briefing on the matter along with the request to send the letter to Georgia election officials.
 

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Feds search home of former DOJ official Trump sought to install as AG: reports
Federal law enforcement this week searched the home of Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department official accused of trying to use the agency to pursue former President Trump’s election fraud allegations, multiple news outlets reported Thursday.

According to The New York Times, Clark’s suburban Virginia home was searched on Wednesday, a day before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack was set to hear from former DOJ officials about the internal strife in the Trump administration following the 2020 election.

A spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s office in D.C. did not immediately respond when asked for comment on the reports.

Clark was central to Trump’s pressure campaign at the DOJ and Trump even weighed installing him as attorney general, according to previously released material.

The mid-level attorney, who specialized in environmental law, was one of Trump’s top advocates for forwarding election fraud claims. He pushed the DOJ to send a letter to Georgia asking it to hold off on certifying its election results so the Justice Department could announce an investigation into voter fraud there.

That pressure campaign came to a head at a Jan. 3 meeting in which Trump told his DOJ leadership he was weighing ousting them in favor of Clark, who had for days been pushing Trump allies’ claims around voter fraud.

Then-acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen and his deputy, Richard Donoghue, were surprised to get an email from Clark prior to their White House meeting promoting “various theories that seemed to be derived from the internet,” according to Donoghue.

That included a theory that the Chinese government may have hacked into Dominion voting machines through a smart thermostat. He followed with a request for an intelligence community briefing on the matter along with the request to send the letter to Georgia election officials.
How about a search of his coconspirator Donald Trump?
This is getting very close to Donald, this guy has no pardon and will want any deal he can get. All those with pardons are squealing their heads off and laughing at this sucker.
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How about a search of his coconspirator Donald Trump?
This is getting very close to Donald, this guy has no pardon and will want any deal he can get. All those with pardons are squealing their heads off and laughing at this sucker.
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At least four House GOP lawmakers asked for pardons after Jan. 6
The Jan. 6 committee investigating the attack on the Capitol revealed Thursday that Republican Reps. Matt Gaetz (Fla.) Mo Brooks (Ala.) Louie Gohmert (Texas) and Andy Biggs (Ariz.) asked for a presidential pardon for their role in voting to overturn election results in certain states on Jan. 6, 2021.

Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), a member of the panel who played an elevated role in Thursday’s proceedings, presented an email from Brooks, dated Jan. 11, 2021, in which the congressman asked for presidential pardons for himself, Gaetz, and lawmakers who objected to the Electoral College vote for Arizona and Pennsylvania.

“President Trump asked me to send you this letter. This letter is also pursuant to a request from Matt Gaetz,” the email reads.

“As such, I recommend that President give general (all purpose) pardons to the following groups of people:,” the email adds. “Every Congressman and Senator who voted to reject the electoral vote submission of Arizona and Pennsylvania.”

The panel also showed a video of former special assistant to the president Cassidy Hutchinson saying Gaetz and Brooks “both advocated for there to be a blanket pardon” for members of Congress involved with a meeting that took place on Dec, 21, 2020, presumably the huddle at the White House that focused on overturning the 2020 presidential election.

She also said Gaetz and Brooks advocated for a blanket pardon for “a handful of other members that weren’t at the Dec. 21 meeting.” Those were meant to be “preemptive pardons,” she noted.

Additionally, Hutchinson said “Gaetz was personally pushing for a pardon, and he was doing so since early December,” but said she did not know why.

Gaetz reached out to Hutchinson asking for a meeting with Meadows “about receiving a presidential pardon,” according to her closed-door testimony presented at Thursday’s hearing.

Hutchinson said Biggs, Gohmert and Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.) also asked for pardons, but did not reveal more details.

And she said Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), a fierce defender of Trump, “talked about congressional pardons, but he never asked me for one,” noting that he was largely inquiring about whether or not the White House was going to grant the lawmaker pardons.
 

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Filmmaker: Trump ‘irate,’ ‘depressed’ following Jan. 6
A filmmaker who recorded interviews with former President Trump, former Vice President Mike Pence and members of Trump’s family in the lead-up to and following the 2020 election said Trump appeared “quite irate and quite depressed and frustrated” when he interviewed him after the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection.

Alex Holder spoke to CBS’s Norah O’Donnell after sitting for a private two-hour deposition with the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol attack. The committee issued a subpoena to Holder last week for material he obtained while filming the end of Trump’s reelection campaign for a three-part documentary.

Holder said in a statement on Tuesday that he provided to the committee interviews he conducted with Trump, Pence, Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump since September 2020, along with footage of the Capitol riot.

Holder told O’Donnell that he also spoke to Trump a second time following the insurrection, in Bedminster, N.J., where he said the former president was “more jovial and content.”

He said Trump did not seem to realize his role in encouraging the rioters who were present at the Capitol on Jan. 6. He said it would be “fair” to say Trump did not accept any responsibility for what happened on that day.

“I think what was staggering was that he essentially gave the reason why they were there without fully understanding that he was responsible for that reason,” Holder said.

He said that viewers may have different impressions about whether Trump expressed remorse about the day’s events.

CBS reported that Holder told reporters he also interviewed Trump once before the insurrection occurred.
 
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