January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.

schuylaar

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Roger Stone Pleads the 5th Before Congress. Should Congress Immunize Stone & Force Him to Testify?

Roger Stone appeared before the House select committee investigating the attack on the US Capitol to testify. But rather than testify, Roger Stone pled the 5th - he invoked his 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination - and refused to testify.

The question will now turn to the topic of immunity: should Congress immunize to Stone and force him to testify. Recall that Stone was convicted previously (and ultimately pardoned by Donald Trump) for lying to Congress when he testified in the Trump-Russia investigation. That is but one of the factors that will need to be considered as Congress decides whether or not to grant Stone immunity and compel his testimony.

This video discusses the considerations that go into the question of whether immunity should be granted.
hasn't he already received a pardon? i thought you can't plead 5th with a pardon. i wouldn't believe a word out of the self-proclaimed Trickster.
 

HGCC

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this captures him quite well.

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My constituents shop at the Dollar Store- .25 or .50, is a big deal to them. -Joe 'Two-Face' Manchin
My voters are poor. They only like politicians that convince them to stay that way and that it is someone else's fault, besides the rich people. Behold my glory. New textbooks...fuck that liberal. Don't no book learning do nothing for nobody. Now get in that hole and dig some coal. This is as good as it gets.
 

schuylaar

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"It has to be made clear that trying to violently overthrow the government, trying to stop the peaceful transition of power, and assaulting law enforcement officers in that effort is going to be met with absolutely certain punishment," said U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Donald has legal trouble closing in on all sides in the new year, federal and state indictments plus civil suits. People talk about running out the clock, Donald won't outrun this shit, the chickens are coming home to roost in 2022
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The Walls Are Closing In On Donald Trump

Select Committee vice-chair Rep. Liz Cheney signaled this week Trump could be on the hook for potential criminal liability for obstructing Congress' electoral college vote count as the investigation into the Capitol insurrection closes in on the former president's inner circle.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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He should be more worried about NY than the feds at this point, but the 1/6 committee is directly confronting his big lie.
This sums it up:
"One member on the select committee described the events around 6 January as showing a coalescence of multiple strategies: “There was a DoJ strategy, a state legislative strategy, a state election official strategy, the vice-president strategy. And there was the insurrection strategy.”
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Why Trump appears deeply unnerved as Capitol attack investigation closes in

Flurry of recent revelations raises the specter that the committee is swiftly heading towards an incriminating conclusion

Donald Trump is increasingly agitated by the House select committee investigating the Capitol attack, according to sources familiar with the matter, and appears anxious he might be implicated in the sprawling inquiry into the insurrection even as he protests his innocence.

The former president in recent weeks has complained more about the investigation, demanding why his former White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, shared so much material about 6 January with the select committee, and why dozens of other aides have also cooperated.

Trump has also been perturbed by aides invoking the Fifth Amendment in depositions - it makes them look weak and complicit in a crime, he has told associates - and considers them foolish for not following the lead of his former strategist Steve Bannon in simply ignoring the subpoenas.

When Trump sees new developments in the Capitol attack investigation on television, he has started swearing about the negative coverage and bemoaned that the House minority leader, Kevin McCarthy, was too incompetent to put Republicans on the committee to defend him.

The former president’s anger largely mirrors the kind of expletives he once directed at the Russia inquiry and the special counsel investigation when he occupied the White House. But the rapidly accelerating investigation into whether Trump and top aides unlawfully conspired to stop the certification of Joe Biden’s victory at the 6 January joint session appears to be unnerving him deeply.

The portrait that emerges from interviews with multiple sources close to Trump, including current and former aides, suggest a former president unmoored and backed into a corner by the rapid escalation in intensity of the committee’s investigation.

A spokesperson for Trump did not respond to requests for comment.

But as Trump struggles to shield himself from the select committee, with public hearings next year and the justice department said to be tracking the investigation, the path ahead is only likely to be more treacherous.

The former president is especially attuned to his potential for legal exposure, even as he maintains he did nothing wrong in conferring about ways to overturn the 2020 election and encouraging supporters to march on the Capitol. He has expressed alarm to associates about repeated defeats in court as he seeks to stop the select committee obtaining some of the most sensitive of White House documents about 6 January from the National Archives, on grounds of executive privilege.

The reality is that with each passing day, the committee seems to be gathering new evidence about Trump’s culpability around the Capitol attack that might culminate with recommendations for new election laws – but also for prosecutions.

“I think that the justice department will keep a keen eye on what evidence the committee has accumulated, as well as looking out for witnesses for a potential case,” said Ryan Goodman, a former special counsel at the Department of Defense now a law professor at New York University.

“One of the outcomes of the committee’s work and the public hearings will be to demonstrate individuals who might be wanting to come forward as witnesses and that’s got to be very important to justice department prosecutors,” Goodman said.

House investigators are expected to soon surpass more than 300 interviews with Trump administration officials and Trump political operatives as part of a process that has yielded 30,000 documents and 250 tips via the select committee’s tip line.

The flurry of recent revelations – such as the disclosure of Meadows’s connection to a powerpoint outlining how Trump could stage a coup, as first reported by the Guardian – raises the specter that the select committee is swiftly heading towards an incriminating conclusion.

Trump’s associates insist they are not worried, at least for the moment, since the select committee has yet to obtain materials covered by executive privilege either through Meadows or the National Archives that could ensnare Trump personally.

The former president’s defenders are correct in that respect – the committee does not have messages that show Trump directing an attack on the Capitol, one source said – and Trump has vowed to appeal the National Archives case to the supreme court.

But no one outside the select committee, which is quietly making progress from a glass office on Capitol Hill with boarded-up windows and electronically secured doors, knows exactly what it has uncovered and whether the inquiry ends with a criminal referral.

The material Meadows turned over alone depicts an alarming strategy to stop Biden’s certification on 6 January, involving nearly the entire federal government and lieutenants operating from the Willard hotel in Washington.

One member on the select committee described the events around 6 January as showing a coalescence of multiple strategies: “There was a DoJ strategy, a state legislative strategy, a state election official strategy, the vice-president strategy. And there was the insurrection strategy.”

The text messages Meadows received on his personal phone implicate Trump’s eldest son, Don Jr, and Republican members of Congress. Texts Meadows turned over to the committee might also be used by an enterprising prosecutor as evidence of criminal obstruction to stop a congressional proceeding if the White House knew election fraud claims to be lies but still used them to stop Biden’s certification.

While Meadows never testified about the communications, a cadre of top Trump officials, from former acting national security adviser Keith Kellogg to Pence’s former chief of staff Marc Short, have moved to cooperate with House investigators.
The trouble for Trump – and part of the source of his frustration, the sources said – is his inability, out of office, to wield the far-reaching power of the executive branch to affect the course of the inquiry.

The limited success of strategies he hoped would stymie the committee – ordering aides to defy subpoenas or launching legal challenges to slow-walk the release White House records – has been jarring for Trump.

“I think what he’s finding is that as the ex-president, he has a lot less authority than he did as president. But his playbook doesn’t work if he’s not president,” said Daniel Goldman, former lead counsel in the first House impeachment inquiry into Trump.

In a reflection of dwindling legal avenues available to undercut the investigation, Trump has returned to launching attacks-by-emailed-statement on the select committee, stewing over his predicament and what he considers an investigation designed only to hurt him politically.

“The Unselect Committee itself is Rigged, stacked with Never Trumpers, Republican enemies, and two disgraced RINOs, Cheney and Kinzinger, who couldn’t get elected ‘dog catcher’ in their districts,” Trump vented last month.
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DIY-HP-LED

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Trump Appears 'Deeply Unnerved' By January 6 Investigation: Report

Donald Trump is increasingly agitated by the House select committee investigating the Capitol attack,' according to new reporting from Hugo Lowell in the Guardian.
 

mooray

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The crazies will be outnumbered by a lot, if they want a fight I'll be glad to do my part.
That's exactly how wars start. There's always a chain of sympathizing that extends from one end of the spectrum to the other. You may not sympathize with antifa, but someone you sympathize with does, and they get sucked in and then you get sucked in. Next thing you know, you're standing with antifa and your slightly conservative friend stands with domestic terrorists. Best thing is for everyone to keep their ass at home.
 

captainmorgan

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That's exactly how wars start. There's always a chain of sympathizing that extends from one end of the spectrum to the other. You may not sympathize with antifa, but someone you sympathize with does, and they get sucked in and then you get sucked in. Next thing you know, you're standing with antifa and your slightly conservative friend stands with domestic terrorists. Best thing is for everyone to keep their ass at home.
I won't be attending any protests or rallies but if the shooting starts I won't cower at home.
 
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