ActionianJacksonian
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No it's not and 2 wrongs don't make a right. I do not believe in limited liability negotiable instruments circulating as elastic currency at all, so your "gotcha" is falling on deaf ears.
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ActionianJacksonian
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This is hilarious.After $1.9 Trillion Giveaway to Rich, McConnell Calls Debt Relief for Working Class 'Slap in the Face'
"You literally canceled $1,900,000,000,000 in tax cuts for the rich,"
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After $1.9 Trillion Giveaway to Rich, McConnell Calls Debt Relief for Working Class 'Slap in the Face' | Common Dreams
"You literally canceled $1,900,000,000,000 in tax cuts for the rich," said Public Citizen as Mitch McConnell complained about partial student loan relief for some Americans.www.commondreams.org
A tax cut is letting someone keep money they earned.
Loan "forgiveness" is transferring debt to others who did not contract in it.
There could not be a less relevant comparison.
rkymtnman
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so you are pro-Socialism. weird.
PopAndSonGrows
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(Laughs in trillions of dollars in tax breaks for rich assholes)
Yeah, "we cayn't afferd it", keep telling yourself that.
PJ Diaz
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Honestly, College doesn't make sense for a lot of people, and it doesn't help many who do attend. So, from that perspective, I'm not sure that I agree it should part of the mandatory public school system. In fact the public school system sucks a lot already. State and Community Colleges are already underwritten by the states in effort to make tuition affordable. To me, the key principle is to not borrow above your ability to repay. My only real issue with this, is that it seems that we are rewarding folks who made poor planning choices.
rkymtnman
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the gop and trump tax cuts for the corporations resulted in
the gop and trump tax cuts for the corporations resulted in stock buybacks and increased pay for executives just like we predicted
Fogdog
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I don't begrudge anybody who receives financial help to get a higher education. But they must earn it. You just want a hand out.
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ActionianJacksonian
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I could not agree more. Going the semi Lawful route of adding grades 13-16 would kind of force owning the failure. It's a nice bubble, 40 something million borrowers stand to have 300 billion transfered to others.
ActionianJacksonian
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If you get a tax break it's a gift of letting you keep more of what you produced. Loan forgiveness is literally the opposite of that, I'm sorry you don't understand the difference.
PJ Diaz
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Trickle down economics never works. Too much hoarding at the top.
rkymtnman
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tell that to the gop. they've been trying it since reagan
the maga bunch votes against their own best interests just to stick it to the dems. bunch of morons.
rkymtnman
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you are worried about 300B when the gop just increased our debt by almost 8T during a "booming" economy.
you should really re-examine your beliefs.
PJ Diaz
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I've been saying it for decades, and voting against the GOP all along. Newcomer "lefties" like @Herb & Suds were the peeps supporting it.
PJ Diaz
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Can't someone be worried about BOTH of those? Why is everything a finger pointing contest of deflection?
HGCC
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I dont disagree with any of this. I do think we should have college available and free with some sort of limitations. An educated population is a good thing. It's tempting to have some sort of testing as the basis, free college to develop our best and brightest...but eh, obviously theres issues with that line of thought and you shouldn't exclude people that have the drive to make it in whatever field.
Idk, being able to pay back loans and end up with marketable skills was a major driver of my decision making, so I get where you are coming from there. I look at this as the best option for the current situation we are in. Free college...but basket weaving majors aren't really what we need.
The government can foot the bill, I don't think it's really shifting responsibility onto anyone. Debt just sorta works different on that level.
PJ Diaz
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When I first started attending College, I didn't have any one to bankroll me, I didn't want to take out tons of loans, and I also had to work and pay my own rent and feed myself. So I decided to attend my local community College and also applied for some financial aid, which made it possible for me to get my general ed done cheap, paid in cash.
rkymtnman
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sure they can. if they were of the same magnitude. but they aren't.
PopAndSonGrows
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Do tell how loan forgiveness for struggling people and families is worse than Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk COMBINED, paying less taxes than a single mom who makes 38k a year?? Please, do enlighten us. Fucking sponge ass single moms, how dare they need a fucking break, what a burden.
Damn dude. What does trump's loafers taste like?
Fogdog
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The country benefitted from GIs returning after WW2 who took advantage of education subsidies. Education and health are good investments for this country's society and economy. Tax cuts for the wealthy, not so much.
FWIW, "free college" doesn't mean a free ride, it just means the state pays tuition. Oregon gives its students the opportunity to get a start at their undergrad at Junior Colleges. Also, post-HS jobs training for those that don't want an undergraduate degree. It's a good deal for everyone.
Oregon – Oregon Promise
This program covers tuition costs of up to $4,000 per year for high school graduates enrolled in both two and four-year community colleges in the state.
Eligibility Criteria
Have at least a 2.5 cumulative high school GPA or a grade of at least 145 on all GED tests.
Applicants must have been a resident of Oregon for the last 12 months and should not have more than 90 college credits completed or attempted.
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