Joe steals Nancy's purse

Grojak

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To "forgive" student loans by dumping them on others. Because a janitor should for sure have to pay for upper middle class kids educations.
And I should have to pay for the kids in my community to attend school, a cost that goes up annually and will far exceed the amount of taxes each American will spend because of Joe’s debt relief?

I have no kids but pay $1100 a year so those who do have kids can have a good school. You’re argument is weak.
 

ActionianJacksonian

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And I should have to pay for the kids in my community to attend school, a cost that goes up annually and will far exceed the amount of taxes each American will spend because of Joe’s debt relief?

I have no kids but pay $1100 a year so those who do have kids can have a good school. You’re argument is weak.
County vs Federal. Nice try, no points.

Move to a common law state if you don't like property taxes on your home.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Are you joking? Try my method: buy $50k of gold eagles at $30/Oz.

Inflation suddenly not hard to understand. Muddy the waters indeed. It's you currently squid inking the agua pretending that inflation between states costs of living don't exist and that all rural jobs are minimum wage.

Please.
Show me that plurality of rural jobs with a career track beyond franchise manager. Bonus for manufacturing careers.

As for your gold comment, link to where I might do so today: buy 138+ troy pounds of gold coin for $50k. Otherwise just another straw man.
 
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HGCC

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You said "I do think we should have college available and free with some sort of limitations. An educated population is a good thing. It's tempting to have some sort of testing as the basis".

And we do for admissions. What are you proposing?
Ah, good deal. I was thinking it should be free with standardized testing as the admission criteria. Currently it's really just about being able to pay, admission tests and standards aren't really a big barrier. It should be a more prestigious thing and be based on merit for all college, not just the handful that reject people.
 

ActionianJacksonian

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debt relief is debt relief no matter how you want to spin it. It's ok give the little guy a break once in a while, we don't have to act like republicans all the time. I'll bet your a lousy tipper.
Unlike California, servers make well below minimum here. I don't go out for food or beverage much but I typically tip 20-50% if I do.

Even for shitty service. In California I didn't feel bad at all leaving zero tip for shit service given the min wage was there for servers. See the little guys are the same as the big guys when it's merit based and there's no limited liability to fall back on, like bailouts.
 

ActionianJacksonian

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Nice try, how much in student loan debt are they letting you off the hook for while you complain about it? You enjoy your 4 years in college?
I worked full time while taking 16 hours a semester and used a state lottery program for 50% off tuition. Zero debt incurred. I ditched gen Ed transfer and just grabbed computer science certs after a year.
 

Grojak

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I worked full time while taking 16 hours a semester and used a state lottery program for 50% off tuition. Zero debt incurred. I ditched gen Ed transfer and just grabbed computer science certs after a year.

Ahh I see, so you’re biter someone is getting something you arn’t, I gotcha!

Kind of the old, well I had to do this and it sucked so others shouldn’t get it any easier than me, right?
 

doublejj

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the cost of college tuition spiked after student loans became ineligible for bankruptcy protection some time in the late 70's. Immediately student loan companies sprang up all over the place and colleges could charge what ever they wanted because loan companies would lend the money because they were protected from bankruptcy losses. If you want to bring college tuition down to reasonable levels, make student loans eligible for bankruptcy and see how fast tuitions drop..
 
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PJ Diaz

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The poor don't generally pay taxes....nice try
ESTIMATED DISTRIBUTION OF 2021 INCOME TAXES
INDIVIDUAL INCOMEPROJECTED AVERAGE INCOME TAX RATE, 2021
UNDER $75,000<0%
$75,000-$100,0001.80%
$100,000-$200,0005.70%
$200,000-$500,00013%
$500,000-$1 MIL20.80%
OVER $1 MIL25.80%
That wasn't the question at hand.
move to Missouri...
I don't rent, I have a fixed mortgage. I wasn't speaking about my own situation, I was referring to the tribulations of others less fortunate around me. If everyone out here who made minimum wage moved to Missouri, then who would pick the berries in Watsonville?
 

PJ Diaz

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And I should have to pay for the kids in my community to attend school, a cost that goes up annually and will far exceed the amount of taxes each American will spend because of Joe’s debt relief?

I have no kids but pay $1100 a year so those who do have kids can have a good school. You’re argument is weak.
I have to pay that too, but I know that public school is awful so I keep my kids out of there.
 

doublejj

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the cost of college tuition spiked after student loans became ineligible for bankruptcy protection some time in the late 70's. Immediately student loan companies sprang up all over the place and colleges could charge what ever they wanted because loan companies would lend the money. If you want to bring college tuition down to reasonable levels, make student loans eligible for bankruptcy and see how fast tuitions drop..
1978 - Bankruptcy Reform Act
Congress overhauled the Bankruptcy Code and added Section 523(a)(8). Under that section, education loans owed to a governmental unit or a nonprofit institution of higher education were nondischargeable for 5 years from the date the loan entered repayment unless the debtor was experiencing undue hardship.


1979 - Act on August 14th
The 1979 Act did two things. First, it made it so that a student loan made by the government or made under a government-funded program or a nonprofit institution was nondischargeable. This change made sure that a loan made under the Federal Perkins Loan program received discharge protection.

A Perkins Loan is a federal student loan made by a school to a student. The funds for the loan program come from a pool contributed to by both the government and the school.

Before the 1979 Act, it was arguable that a bankruptcy court could decide the section didn't apply to a loan made under the Perkins loan program. This change closed that loophole.

Second, the Act also changed the Bankruptcy Code by extending the 5-year period when the student loan borrower took a deferment or forbearance.

This change made it more difficult to tell when 5 years had passed. No longer could you look at when the last loan entered repayment and add 5 years.

You had to pull the actual payment history for the student debt to see if there were any deferments or forbearances.
 

PJ Diaz

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yeah they teach too many facts in public school...private schools keep it to alternate facts
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