Just want to know if my gal(hopefully) is looking okay?

How is my plant looking?

  • Looks great

    Votes: 1 16.7%

  • Not looking so hot

    Votes: 5 83.3%
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whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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auto1dwc said:
You will create light leaks with the door being left open.
This is the problem with hid lights,
You don't just need a light u need fans, extraction ,exhaust all to control the heat.... Waste off time and money.

it wasn't just about strength of the sun but light hours as well.you don't even get 14 hours of daylight this time of year so why would you.
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Lots of people do it. Where do you think fall and winter flowers come from?

Gas lantern routine. You just turn on a light for an hour in the middle of the night to keep plants in veg.

It doesn't work good for autos. It does if you put them in the sun during the day and under lights at night.

Look into it. Plenty of commercial green houses run year round.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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auto1dwc said:
Yeah really? I can do 3 grows with led compared to your 1 using the same amount of electric.
Less chance off heat stress for beginners.
Once this happens tell me how you correct it then...you can't and you now have a shitty burnt plant.
Wind burn is common with using hids.
Heat is more expensive to extract.
With a fan on my leds peak at 25.6c,
The perfect temp, I've just gone and saved myself enough money to get the next seeds in or even more nutes , an example.
You and all these thousands of peeps that use HID you are wasting your money.
HID are more detectable with police infra red detectors( a proven fact)
More people have been busted using HID.
Listen the problems are endless with HID...
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I'm not concerned about electricity
I've never burnt a plant using HID's
A fan to extract the heat is inexpensive
I make my own seeds and strains so I already saved enough for a fan
I use very inexpensive nutrients not the overpriced stuff so I pay for the extra electricity an HID uses with those savings
I have a heater, air conditioner, and dehumidifier so I maintain the perfect temp and humidity
Myself and thousands of others have the money to spend
I live in a legal state and can grow four plants so I'm not worried about being busted
A good LED costs more than an HID

You do bring up some valid issues but myself and many others are able to resolve them fairly easily. You have a right to your opinion I just disagree. No big deal. As long as we achieve the results we want it doesn't really matter what method we use.
Happy growing
 
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HuckNelson

Member
xtsho said:
I'm not concerned about electricity
I've never burnt a plant using HID's
A fan to extract the heat is inexpensive
I make my own seeds and strains so I already saved enough for a fan
I use very inexpensive nutrients not the overpriced stuff so I pay for the extra electricity an HID uses with those savings
I have a heater, air conditioner, and dehumidifier so I maintain the perfect temp and humidity
Myself and thousands of others have the money to spend
I live in a legal state and can grow four plants so I'm not worried about being busted
A good LED costs more than an HID

You do bring up some valid issues but myself and many others are able to resolve them fairly easily. You have a right to your opinion I just disagree. No big deal. As long as we achieve the results we want it doesn't really matter what method we use.
Happy growing
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I have yet to learn how to like posts lol
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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auto1dwc said:
Yeah really? I can do 3 grows with led compared to your 1 using the same amount of electric.
Less chance off heat stress for beginners.
Once this happens tell me how you correct it then...you can't and you now have a shitty burnt plant.
Wind burn is common with using hids.
Heat is more expensive to extract.
With a fan on my leds peak at 25.6c,
The perfect temp, I've just gone and saved myself enough money to get the next seeds in or even more nutes , an example.
You and all these thousands of peeps that use HID you are wasting your money.
HID are more detectable with police infra red detectors( a proven fact)
More people have been busted using HID.
Listen the problems are endless with HID...
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Nothing wrong with quality LED's except for the price of a pre built quality unit which is up around the grand mark to flower a 4 x 4. Much more expensive than say a 600w hid.


And of cause more people have been busted using HID....People have been using it for decades to grow pot, LED is new.

You seem to be trying to justify what you use by throwing generalizations and border line untruths rather than accept the budget the OP has. HID suits the lower budget and then of cause the warehouse grows- the big stuff. LED is good for smaller grows in the main but that will change as the price comes down and the technology stabilisers.

HID has its place. Its proven and is inexpensive. LED has its place, its also proven but is very expensive in a pre built unit.
 
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n0thing

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Lucky Luke said:
Nothing wrong with quality LED's except for the price of a pre built quality unit which is up around the grand mark to flower a 4 x 4. Much more expensive than say a 600w hid.


And of cause more people have been busted using HID....People have been using it for decades to grow pot, LED is new.

You seem to be trying to justify what you use by throwing generalizations and border line untruths rather than accept the budget the OP has. HID suits the lower budget and then of cause the warehouse grows- the big stuff. LED is good for smaller grows in the main but that will change as the price comes down and the technology stabilisers.

HID has its place. Its proven and is inexpensive. LED has its place, its also proven but is very expensive in a pre built unit.
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Even DIY runs pretty expensive. As soon as LED runs even remotely competitive with prices they will control the whole market, I have no doubts. Imagine being able to replace your 600w for $400-$500 of quality led, people would jump at the opportunity. Unfortunately it's not at that point yet but as soon as it is people will consider HID lighting the stone age of indoor lighting. Until then I'll stick to the same HID ballast I've ran for ~7 years since there's no incentive for me to upgrade, there's better places to spend money.
 
auto1dwc

auto1dwc

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xtsho said:
I'm not concerned about electricity
I've never burnt a plant using HID's
A fan to extract the heat is inexpensive
I make my own seeds and strains so I already saved enough for a fan
I use very inexpensive nutrients not the overpriced stuff so I pay for the extra electricity an HID uses with those savings
I have a heater, air conditioner, and dehumidifier so I maintain the perfect temp and humidity
Myself and thousands of others have the money to spend
I live in a legal state and can grow four plants so I'm not worried about being busted
A good LED costs more than an HID

You do bring up some valid issues but myself and many others are able to resolve them fairly easily. You have a right to your opinion I just disagree. No big deal. As long as we achieve the results we want it doesn't really matter what method we use.
Happy growing
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This guy that has started thread is asking advice and he hasn't got much. He's making do with what he can afford.
Not everyone has money as being inexperienced why would you spend shit loads on kit if you don't know owt about it.
It's common sense.
You say you haven't had any problems with your plants.... Maybe so but this guy is trying to get where me and you are now.
Let him finish this grow and then he will proceed from that,
If he likes it and has time and confidence to proceed and reek the benefits maybe then he will consider putting more money into it as he will see the payoff in the long run.
I don't live in trump land so I don't know the price of LEDs over there.
I test led lights from cheaper suppliers and there are some good panels out there that are cheap.
Led light panels made in America are a rip off for what they are.
 
auto1dwc

auto1dwc

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Lucky Luke said:
Nothing wrong with quality LED's except for the price of a pre built quality unit which is up around the grand mark to flower a 4 x 4. Much more expensive than say a 600w hid.


And of cause more people have been busted using HID....People have been using it for decades to grow pot, LED is new.

You seem to be trying to justify what you use by throwing generalizations and border line untruths rather than accept the budget the OP has. HID suits the lower budget and then of cause the warehouse grows- the big stuff. LED is good for smaller grows in the main but that will change as the price comes down and the technology stabilisers.

HID has its place. Its proven and is inexpensive. LED has its place, its also proven but is very expensive in a pre built
In America yes. LEDs are expensive .this is the problem with posts,people don't tell you where they are, so weighing up pros and cons is difficult due to people living in different parts of the world.
For instance you could tell me about lights that we in the uk can get hold off. The U.K. And Europe make good quality LEDs that are inexpensive.
So if you read back I mention that he should get an led, not because there better but because in the uk they are cheap, even for a good quality one. But then hids may be cheaper in America.
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Lordhooha

Lordhooha

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Lucky Luke said:
Cheap LED? You mean a blurple? Please you cannot compare cheap LED's with HID. The people who swap over from HID and get improvement in yields either build them themselves or spend $$$.
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Built mine an haven't looked back. But I'm fortunate to work where I make good money to drop on my rooms. But yah you can't compare cheap panels to hid.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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n0thing said:
Even DIY runs pretty expensive. As soon as LED runs even remotely competitive with prices they will control the whole market, I have no doubts. Imagine being able to replace your 600w for $400-$500 of quality led, people would jump at the opportunity. Unfortunately it's not at that point yet but as soon as it is people will consider HID lighting the stone age of indoor lighting. Until then I'll stick to the same HID ballast I've ran for ~7 years since there's no incentive for me to upgrade, there's better places to spend money.
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You can replace 600 watts of hid for 400-500 bucks easy with quality cobs.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Lucky Luke said:
If you can buy a pre built unit for that id like the link please.
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I didn't say prebuilt. A diy kit can be had for that. All a prebuilt is a pretty case. The diy is pre drilled and simple plug and play.

A prebuilt might be had for close to that.

I would rather have prebuilt. Better spread of the cobs. Easier to adapt to new grow space. Easier to upgrade.
 
auto1dwc

auto1dwc

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Lucky Luke said:
Cheap LED? You mean a blurple? Please you cannot compare cheap LED's with HID. The people who swap over from HID and get improvement in yields either build them themselves or spend $$$.
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So you tell me what you class as a good yield from an auto grown in Dwc under cheap LEDs.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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auto1dwc said:
So you tell me what you class as a good yield from an auto grown in Dwc under cheap LEDs.
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No idea ive never grown an auto but lets go with the approximation of 600 grams per sq meter for a photoperiod consistently. Id say that that's a pretty good achievable yield and would work out a gram per w if using a 600W in a 4 x 4. So achievable but not easily so.

If you want to argue how good blurple LED lights are then perhaps visit the LED section. LED people upgrade and spend the $$ on their lights for good reason id speculate.
 
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auto1dwc

auto1dwc

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Lucky Luke said:
No idea ive never grown an auto but lets go with the approximation of 600 grams per sq meter for a photoperiod consistently. Id say that that's a pretty good achievable yield and would work out a gram per w if using a 600W in a 4 x 4. So achievable but not easily so.

If you want to argue how good blurple LED lights are then perhaps visit the LED section. LED people upgrade and spend the $$ on their lights for good reason id speculate.
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It just goes to show you don't really know much then about led,
I grew auto pounder under a 300w cheap led panel that retails at £60- about $90 or so.
This light gave me around 115w in total output and I got 113g from that.
I now have a bigger grow space and have stuck to 1 plant still.
Grown Dwc, and now with the same 300w and a very cheap 600w which cost £47. Around $70.
This plant is big, on growing experience I will pull around 7oz, which is 196g.
If I up my bucket size I would get even bigger plants, as I have tested bucket sizes from 10ltr to 25ltr and I've had noticeable differences just from this.
I don't really see how there is a comparison and like I said led are expensive in America because you put all these acrylic logos all over them eg TERMINATOR.
It doesn't make the light any better, but if you can't get these cheaper led panels in America then that's unfortunate.
My setup cost me in total £200.
Hid light and ballest in uk cost about £60-£70.
But then I need to buy carbon filters, and exhaust, ducting etc.
Hid lights because of the heat generate more smell from the plant.
I get smell in the last 3 weeks at the most, I gave a fan pointed at the lights to push warmer air to the top of the tent as heat rises, then the dehumidifier as you know conditions the air and I have customised the filter in it by adding the carbon membrane in to it.
So my air and smell is being filtered through the dehumidifier, and it works.
You stick to your hid as they are possibly cheaper for you than me.
But don't tell you need these so called high end led to grow, the companies in America are ripping you guys off. Seriously.
So, each to there own hey.
Oh and by the way your arguing with me about this not just me.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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auto1dwc said:
It just goes to show you don't really know much then about led,
I grew auto pounder under a 300w cheap led panel that retails at £60- about $90 or so.
This light gave me around 115w in total output and I got 113g from that.
I now have a bigger grow space and have stuck to 1 plant still.
Grown Dwc, and now with the same 300w and a very cheap 600w which cost £47. Around $70.
This plant is big, on growing experience I will pull around 7oz, which is 196g.
If I up my bucket size I would get even bigger plants, as I have tested bucket sizes from 10ltr to 25ltr and I've had noticeable differences just from this.
I don't really see how there is a comparison and like I said led are expensive in America because you put all these acrylic logos all over them eg TERMINATOR.
It doesn't make the light any better, but if you can't get these cheaper led panels in America then that's unfortunate.
My setup cost me in total £200.
Hid light and ballest in uk cost about £60-£70.
But then I need to buy carbon filters, and exhaust, ducting etc.
Hid lights because of the heat generate more smell from the plant.
I get smell in the last 3 weeks at the most, I gave a fan pointed at the lights to push warmer air to the top of the tent as heat rises, then the dehumidifier as you know conditions the air and I have customised the filter in it by adding the carbon membrane in to it.
So my air and smell is being filtered through the dehumidifier, and it works.
You stick to your hid as they are possibly cheaper for you than me.
But don't tell you need these so called high end led to grow, the companies in America are ripping you guys off. Seriously.
So, each to there own hey.
Oh and by the way your arguing with me about this not just me.
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I didnt realize you were talking about such a small space. Yes a cheap led may be fine for that ( Vero's even better ) but when you upsize you will find the returns are not their with the cheap blurples. For eg we can spend approx $100 on a hid and light a 4 x4 tent and pull some decent weight and quality. Put you $100 blurple in their and its going to struggle. Spend $600 on a DIY quantum boards and you should yield the same or better than the HID.
I don't know many growers who are going to say how great blurples are. Most LED growers started with them and have moved up.

As far as im aware all the diodes and drivers are made in China.

O and I'm not a yank.
 
auto1dwc

auto1dwc

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Ok. I hope you understand where I'm coming from now,
But I could create another issue for you mentioning about spaces.
My advice has been passed on to my friends and he has 6 led panels, 600w in a 3x3m room with 8 plants and there huge.
Costing £ 300 for them all.
Soz but all Americans to British people are called yanks.
My mistake.
Anyway you seem like someone that knows what there doing so carry on and enjoy your gold.
Each to there own and no hard feelings.
I will post pics if your interested in my grow of final yield.
I'm chopping today.

Happy growing, peace
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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auto1dwc said:
Ok. I hope you understand where I'm coming from now,
But I could create another issue for you mentioning about spaces.
My advice has been passed on to my friends and he has 6 led panels, 600w in a 3x3m room with 8 plants and there huge.
Costing £ 300 for them all.
Soz but all Americans to British people are called yanks.
My mistake.
Anyway you seem like someone that knows what there doing so carry on and enjoy your gold.
Each to there own and no hard feelings.
I will post pics if your interested in my grow of final yield.
I'm chopping today.

Happy growing, peace
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yes, all Americans to us are yanks to, or septics tanks in rhyming slang... But I'm still not a yank, septic or American.
 
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