K1Ng5p4d3's Cardboard Box Grow (hehe)

Ya there are a couple threads about them I think. One dude had a sweet molecule on his bicep, thats where I got the idea for mine. Not 100% original, but I still dig it.

yeh, i checked it out, n i got a couple ideas floatin around

So my fuckin cloning expedition is taking a turn for the worse i think. All of the cuttings that i thought were starting to show signs of wanting to take root, have started to go black in the leaves, so i chucked the majority of them, with the exception of 5 of them total, which actually have began to take root. So im not gonna attempt to clone eexcept for a couple more cuttings, n then im gonna wait until the plants are bigger and have stronger branches, in hopes that maybe theyll be easier to get goin.


Just in case though, in case something should happen and i get screwed somehow and cant figure out this cloning thing, ive started to take pre-emptive measures against losing the numbers that i want. I started germing 4 THE BLACK, 4 ICE, 4 BUBBLICIOUS, 4 DOUBLE GUM, 4 PINEAPPLE PUNCH, and 4 DUTCH DRAGON seeds, just in case, so that ill have some more plants that i know for sure ill be able to get all the way to flower. I really dont give a fuck if i even gotta go through the majority of my stock to get up to 49 plants, i will if i have to man, but itd be a shame do have to resort to that shit. We'll see though, hopefully the cloning will work out, and ill just end up with a shitload of extra moms to clone from. If not, then im gonna end up with one big ass variety of nugs, lol.

I just dont get what the fuck im doin wrong here man. I got CFLs, im not using much light at all for the process, im still using the bubbler, and im thinkin about using the soil too. I even got a couple cuttings just sittin in a cup of water, like Rollie suggests to do, with the seran wrap over half the cup to hold the cutting in place, and just a half inch of water comin up the stem of the cutting, with low indirect light shining on them. I cant get them to root for shit, lol.

if you get a chance you might check out my grow journal... i can't imagine a simpler way of cloning than the way that i do it. After taking clones i don't touch them for 7 days (then they get their first drink of water). After that i don't touch them again for another 4 days. Last time i took clones i took 120... and all of them survived. The time before that only 1 didn't make it.
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yeh, ill give that a shot. My DWC bucket is starting to work too, its just slow as fuck. Bout to shell the cash out for some distilled water, n savin up the couple hundo to get my own RO setup. Its just too rediculous how shitty tap water can be, and how MUCH it can effect my plants. No longer worth it to shoot the dice n take the risk, lol.

So my equipment is snailmailing its way to my crib finally, n i also am tinkering with the idea to buy a controller bucket, n build my own ebb n grow 12 bucket system. Itll be for a future grow, but i wanna grow some trees - some seriously big FUCKALL trees, lol. Itll happen soon if i play my cards right for the next run here.

I just picked up a 10x100' roll of panda, n im gonna section off my basement space, so that i have 8x10 for flowering, and ill probably do something like 8x5 for a veg room, n bust my 600w in there. I dont wanna end up growing in two seperate rooms of the house, that shit would get too outta hand for me. But im gonna also pick up some Astrofoil (IR BLOCK) to line the basement walls and ceiling with for FLIR purposes. After that, i have a PVC stand im about to put together tomorrow, 1 1/2" pvc with SNAPTURE pieces to put it all together (which was dumb to buy cuz i could have bought the same 2 dollar piece for 50 cents at home depot , or something similar, lol), and ill throw down my tray setup on top of it, n start drilling holes n setting everything up.

But what im kinda thinking about here is, i dont know if i want to grow with the trays the way i said i would originally - with the 6" pots with hugos n hydroton on the inside, with slabs underneath the pots. Since i have dick for experience with rockwool, is there either a better way to go for a first time Ebb n Flow'er, or i guess even better, an easy way to explain what the fuck im doing wrong??

Could it just be the water that i use? i should let the cubes soak overnight in 5.5 ph balanced water, and then let them dry out for a day, before i use them, right? N if so, what ive been trying to do with the cubes n using them for my clones in the DWC bucket must be wrong as shit, cuz i can only get a cutting to take root when its loose among the hydroton. Like, if i were to take a cutting thats starting to root, and gently slip it into a rockwool plug, n then back into the bucket, the roots will die overnight. Is there some ancient chinese secret to this shit?! do i need fucking calgon in this bitch?! (hope ya got that joke, lol)

Anyways, its been a couple days since i bin on, so if this is just a bunch of incoherent paragraphs mixed up into one, pay no nevermind. Its just my latenight babble-on for the week. Ill be on tomorrow to address a couple questions i have for you guys, if ya dont mind.

Its time to fuckin go to work n get a REAL grow underway man. Im done doin makeshift temporary grow bullshit - my mothers are 8-10 inches tall right now, with another 10 in plastic beercups just breaking soil, and another 5 Autos (Taiga from Dutch Passion) that just germed and i threw into 16 oz'ers today. So im gonna take another round of cuttings from like 4 of the moms that are growin out now, wait two weeks n then flower them. Everything got a little screwed up this time around timeframe wise, but im dialing everything in, n itll probably take a couple more months to get everything down to a science, n i refuse to go budless in the meantime, lol. Autos or not, i dont know how much ill get from 10 autos (the 5 Taiga, plus i got 5 White Dwarf comin in the mail next week), n i wanna be able to take my time setting up a REAL perpetual type grow, so ill be pretty much just flowering out everything i got going right now except for a select few plants for the REAL moms.

Bah, man im tired as shit, n in the process of sayin Gnight, i managed to tangent up n type a whole nother paragraph....Wtf, lol. I swear ill make sense of all this shit tomorrow when i come on. I got so much shit jumblin around in my head anymore its rediculous, lol.

Later guys

you could always go Hempy

i think that even BayAreaMedical has something like a Hempy style of medium... with just perlite and coco. i grow in 100 percent perlite... and the containers each have their own rez built-in.

i've heard that ebb and flow is the easiest and least time consuming as far as full hydro setups go, though. so i like the controller bucket / 12 bucket setup... with a bigger rez. that same controller bucket could prolly feed up to 48 pots... 1 or 2 gallons each... with hygroton.

decisions decisions
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LOL I know man, it's more stressful figuring out how the setup is gonna be, than it is growin the damn shit. N yeah, I think your right about the 48 buckets with one controller, but that's wayyy too many plants to chance Fuckin up lol.- I'd definitely end up gettin another controller if I ever went for that many buckets. I mean, each bucket alone would give each plant a chance to grow close to full potential, so 20 would probably be pushin it with the lighting I have lol.

I n btw gambler, I dig your setup. U got the capacity n ability to grow some serious weight. Shits impressive man.

I can't really start planning my next grow till I see what I get off this one, and till I know exactly what kind of space I'm gonna have to work with. But I hear you guys on this shit. I'm still piecing this grow together. I am gonna go tomorrow and finally get the ventilation for my lights.

Im gonna rip my fuckin eyebrows off man. If i dont get shit on point with this whole cloning business im gonna fuckin do it. U know how wierd people look with no eyebrows?! well - im gonna fuckin do it man. Pennance for being too stupid to clone a fuckin pot plant


O n wuddup TC, glad to hear your gonna be aircooled finally, lol. Youll see such a huge difference in everything dude. Your gonna fuckin love it.

I can't figure out why your having such a hard time cloning man. I just got a greenhouse deal from lowes, and some rooting gel from HTG. Mine are about 3 feet away from my 400w, I just keep them misted. Its been taking a good 2 weeks, but about 80% of them rooted and are looking great. I didn't post any pics of the clones, but I just posted a bunch of pictures of the garden. They're getting buds!!!!

Yeah I'm checkin u out man n it's really comin along

I think it's gotta be the water. My moms are even stunted again man, it's like they just went on strike n stopped growin again. Frustraing shit for sure. I got my wife pickin me up 20 gals of distiller right now, so I'm gonna dose my plants up with some good water, fill the dwc up with distilled, n that's probably all i'm gonna feed them for the next week. No nutes, just some good water. N if they pick up, I'm gonna invest in a RO system pronto, because it's just not worth goin through all this shit. I'm even having a hard time germing my seeds man. It used to take like 4 hours, now I got seeds that have been sittin waiting to pop for 4 days. I think my water gotta be toxic man. It's the only thing I can think of. I got a humidity dome comin that fits on top of my bucket, so hopefully that'll help too.

For now though I think I'm gonna put all my veg shit in a different room, n in a week I'm gonna just flower out what I got now, while I work on improving everything else. Remember I'm only using 1 1000w right now, I still got another 1000 plus a 600, my cfls, N the two 4' aquarium bulbs. --those should be good enough to clone with right? Or should I use my white cfls??

K1Ng5p4d3 said:

Yeah I'm checkin u out man n it's really comin along

I think it's gotta be the water. My moms are even stunted again man, it's like they just went on strike n stopped growin again. Frustraing shit for sure. I got my wife pickin me up 20 gals of distiller right now, so I'm gonna dose my plants up with some good water, fill the dwc up with distilled, n that's probably all i'm gonna feed them for the next week. No nutes, just some good water. N if they pick up, I'm gonna invest in a RO system pronto, because it's just not worth goin through all this shit. I'm even having a hard time germing my seeds man. It used to take like 4 hours, now I got seeds that have been sittin waiting to pop for 4 days. I think my water gotta be toxic man. It's the only thing I can think of. I got a humidity dome comin that fits on top of my bucket, so hopefully that'll help too.

For now though I think I'm gonna put all my veg shit in a different room, n in a week I'm gonna just flower out what I got now, while I work on improving everything else. Remember I'm only using 1 1000w right now, I still got another 1000 plus a 600, my cfls, N the two 4' aquarium bulbs. --those should be good enough to clone with right? Or should I use my white cfls??

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whats the temp/hum in ur clone room ?
what ever little light will be fine

K1Ng5p4d3 said:

Remember I'm only using 1 1000w right now, I still got another 1000 plus a 600, my cfls, N the two 4' aquarium bulbs. --those should be good enough to clone with right? Or should I use my white cfls??

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if those were the lights that i had... and i was working on a perpetual system... i'd use the (2) 1000w bulbs in a flower room. and i'd use the 600, the cfl's, and the 4' footers in the clone/veg room. (starting clones under cfl's and 4's and then turning on the 600 when they get bigger.) that would pretty much keep you in the green.

and deffinitely only use RO water for starting seeds and watering clones like you said, just not worth the risk doing otherwise unless you know exactly whats in your water.
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yeh, thats pretty much what i was gonna end up doing once i had everything set up n actually lookin like a grow room. But i took down the 4' bulbs and i put up the 600w in its place, n im running it over my seedlings, while i have one 45w cfl over my clones. the 600 over the seedlings is workin out really well man, some seeds i put in the dirt just this morning and theyre already breaking ground, so im pretty happy with that. I got my humidity dome today too, n that combined with distilled water in my DWC bucket, the cuttings look pretty damn happy. I threw out all the shitty unhealthy lookin ones and i ended up keeping 2 church clones n 2 strawberry blue clones, which were the biggest and healthiest lookin. n then i sprayed the inside of the dome down with some more good water n they just look fuckin way happier. You can see an immediate difference.

The same goes for my plants man. As soon as i put the water in there, they just perked back up lookin like theyre supposed to, leaves reachin upward towards the light beggin for more, lol. the main problem that im having is that the plants' nodes are all bunched up on top of each other. I wanted them to get a little stretch to them so that the growth sites under the canopy can get some light, but theyre pretty much just being smothered by everything above them. But like i said, now thats really not the case anymore - i lifted the light up another foot, and i fed them the good water, n literally over the course of an hour they grew about an inch and have decent spacing between nodes (or at least better spacing). So for now im gonna buy out my local walgreens for all they got waterwise, n next month im gonna snag an RO filter. It just makes more sense to get one now than it really ever did before.

I got done making the stand for my tables last night, using 3/4" PVC n some joints from home depot, cuz i realized that spending the cash for those snapture joints is really insane when i can just make the damn thing myself. N it turned out pretty fuckin good man, looks just like the prefabbed stands do, n holds up with no problems when the tray is filled to the brim with water. Got my flood n drain fittings in, n all i need to do now is go pick up my 6" round mesh bottom pots, my hugo blocks, some more hydroton, and 8 slabs, and im set to start floodin n drainin man, lol. I got another batch of Autos comin in the mail this week, so i think ill start them in some RW n get them bitches goin in the hydro system, just to sorta give her a test run while im waiting on my clones to come to fruition. Im gettin more n more excited about this shit now man, its all slowly comin together.

I picked up a couple of 25' rolls of panda film (10x25), n im gonna partition off sections of the spare bedroom for now since i cant set up shop in the basement yet. The bedroom is gonna be my temporary HQ for this grow. It has two heating vents in the room, and im using one for exhaust and one for air intake. Im gonna section the room into three parts for now: The main part is gonna be for my big girls in soil. Im gonna panda that shit from ceiling to floor n make it light tight, and flower them bitches out. The next section is gonna be my flood n drain setup. The final space will be for the 600w and some CFLs, so i can do my seedlings and clones in, pretty much just like you said Gambler, only because of the way shit panned out this time around, i have to seperate the two 1000w's from each other for now. But other than that i have a pretty good idea how this shit is gonna go now, so im gonna be one fairly happy camper from now on. Ill snap off some pics over the next week here, so you can see the process from a complete mess to an actual grow room, lol.

--Also, i was thinking about bringing up my original grow tent into the room to make shit a little bit easier for the seedlings, and to be able to keep them sectioned off from the flowering plants, and be able to keep shit completely light tight from each other. Not quite sure how im gonna work it in yet, but i think i can pull it off. Im gonna go draw this shit out real quick, lol

like i said, pics comin soon guys, so stay tuned.

-K1

420weedman said:

whats the temp/hum in ur clone room ?
what ever little light will be fine

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Its between 73-75 degrees all the time in there, with humidity of about 45-50

what's keeping you out of the basement? i'd hate the idea of having to setup shop twice...
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so you have to tell me what is the proper way u tied that sucker down???

how did you properly tie that down???

Gambler-- I'm waiting on my landlord to come n Fuckin put up a beam because the grouting in the kitchen tiles keep on coming up, which means the floor is moving, so he has to stabalize that shit. N then after that I'll be able to start building my room, but I figure by the time he comes n by the time I'm done building, I'll be at least halfway done with flowering out my moms. So I figure that just finishing at least one grow out in the spare room is more convenient for my ass right now. N I need to get another carbon filter if I'm gonna grow down there anyways, so until I do, the three footer I got now will scrub a 10x10 room pretty well.

-- as for the plants that I LSTd during my first grow man, I just used string and tied each branch down as it got too tall, basically going in a circle, poking holes in the rim of my growbags. It worked pretty well n I ended up with a couple nice 8" tall bansai trees when I was done. But that was almost a year ago man, check out what I've done since then brother I am the product of a nasty addiction to growing, and over time it just gets bigger n bigger, n I end up needing to grow more to satisfy the addiction lol. It's the coolest bad habit I've ever had

heres some of what you missed bro
https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/179888-420weedmans-march-harvest-de-spectacularrrrrrrrrrrrr.html#post2321205

the good ol soil days ....

Hey just wondering, but why do you tie them down?? what does that do for you