K1Ng5p4d3's Cardboard Box Grow (hehe)

Saves space! Also increases the number of bud sites.

so if i tie them down as did this guy say ill have 3 colas instaed of one??

or i dnt get how it increases bud spots

When you tie them down, it allows the side shoots to reach up and get light, and instead of just having one main cola, you are able to have many smaller colas. Usually this is done in conjunction with topping the plants to cause them to branch out more. I've been topping my plants for the last 2 months, and have also tied some of them down a bit. I just posted some pics, you can see how my plants have bushed out from it. It seems to work better with plants that have atleast some sativa in them. I have 2 plants that are mostly indica,(80-100%) and they didn't take the topping quite as well as my sativas or my WW did. The WW is a hybrid, and has enough sativa in it, that it has been growing beautifully, and is really a nice little bush. I've topped all my plants multiple times, and I'm pretty happy with how they are turning out. Any way, there are lots of differant ways out there to grow, this method of tieing the plants is called LST(low stress training) It doesn't stress the plants, so it doesn't slow growth. Hope that helps, like I said, feel free to take a look at my plants for more examples of this. Peace TC


Lol, sorry for highjacking King, I just didn't know when you would be back on! Lattta Bro!

It's all gravy man, hijack away lol.

So I took my cuttings, n all my seedlings (16 not including the white dwarf autos I'm germing) n I put them in a seperate room for now til I get my panda film. I threw them under my 600 to hopefully help the seedlings go off, n maybe help my cuttings now that I have some clonex to add to my water.

I'm flowering my big girls now, n once the panda gets here I'm gonna seperate the room up so I can do evrything in the same room( vegging my flood tables plus flowering the big girls at the same time). I'll take some pics this weeekend, as I wanna give my blueberry a little time to start lookin better. I transplanted her into some better soil so that she would grow bigger n faster because the mix she was in wasn't aerated that well. The next day she was droppin hard so I had to fix the problem, n even though she recovered she still looks kinda shitty, so I'll let her spread out a lil bit before I put her up for show. But yeah, I'm either gonna flower them outright, or just let them go for two weeks n stretch, n then veg them again. I dunno yet- it all depends on how fast I get the hang of ebb n flow. If I get it down right away then I'll just let the big girls go n keep doin the tables, but if I have trouble I'll probably flower like half of my soil crop.

The clone front is lookin hopeful now actually, I have a couple cuttings gettin bumps at the base of the stems, so with luck I've solved the problem n the clonex can only help things from there. Keep yet fingers crossed fellas

SOunds good bro, glad to hear your clones are finally getting along! What are these ones in? So I'm curious how you are looking at the roots, it seems like moving them would disturb the root growth. I could be wrong, just curious like I said. If you've got stuff to take the place of your mothers man, I'd vote for just flowering them out, and going from there, unless you don't have any more of those genetics, which with you I would find hard to believe, lol.

lol yeah i made sure that i saved at least a seed or two of everything i planted, so the genetics will not die with this harvest

As for the clones, i soaked some rockwool plugs in a clonex solution (i think the ppm was around 350 after i phd it n all that), and then i put them back into my mini greenhouse under the humidity dome. Underneath each plug is a little bit of promix for the roots to grow into, should they get to that point. I mist them every day with a diluted solution of clonex n spring water, and i make sure that the dome is heavily condensed. As far as checking them for roots, all i have to do is open the plug up - theres a slit all the way through half of the plug, so it just opens like a book basically. N i dont open it to th point to where heavy light gets to the stems, i just crack it open to see whats goin on in there, lol.

So, rockwool slabs are fuckin HELLA expensive, lol, and i WAS gonna get a Sure2Grow blanket instead, but buying one of those is more expensive that pickin up 6 slabs. So i went with a sensible, reusable alternative, and bought a big ass bag o' hydroton, enough to fill both tables 3". So im just gonna put my mesh bottom pots amidst the hydroton, and inside the pot ill have one delta block, and a shitload of Bcuzz croutons (rockwool floc)
-I guess its what i shoulda done from the getgo, but i was lookin to do a setup the way that ive read ALOT about, so i could reference my books if i have any problems. But the hydroton shouldnt be that much of a problem i dont think. It provides an adequate amount of light blockage for the roots, and plenty of space for them to grow into, and form a nice immobile blanket.

After i find out if im able to clone well or not, i think i might also skip doin the 1 pot per square foot shpiel for the time being, and just fill both tables up with a shitload of clones. I got a bunch of 6" square plastic pots on the way (36), just in case i decided that i want to flower clones immediately, i can stuff 36 side by side in the tables, n hopefully come off with a really decent yield. Well see within the next week what the results are, and wether or not ill be waiting to put shit into the table, until i have enough clones to do the deed. That would however leave me with almost 20 seedlings that i wouldnt be able to do shit with but grow in soil, lol.

--BUT, i DID see some really interesting shit on youtube. It was this guy who grew out a blueberry plant through the entire veg phase of its life, in soil. the day before he was ready to flower, he took his plant out of the soil, and put it in a 5gal bucket of ph balanced water (he took the entire rootball, soil n all, n just put everything in there). He let it sit for a whole day n the soil came right off of all of the roots with no problems, n saved the entire rootball, n he put it right into a flood table from there, n flowered the next day. From there was a time lapse video of the flowering process, and there was no droop,, no shock, no nothin. It turned out beautiful, and high yielding man. It was pretty fuckin impressive, n i wouldnt mind giving something like that a shot one day. Apparently its more than possible to transfer from soil to dro, you just have to know what your doin - if i can find the video again, ill post it up for you to check out.

yeah here it is - straight up impressive IMO. definitely worth trying out - although im wondering now what kind of soilless mix hes using for his plant cuz that shit looks like it weighs next to nothing, lol.

heres the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTzm0If33HE&feature=related

WeRd.

K1Ng5p4d3 said:

yeah here it is - straight up impressive IMO. definitely worth trying out - although im wondering now what kind of soilless mix hes using for his plant cuz that shit looks like it weighs next to nothing, lol.

heres the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTzm0If33HE&feature=related

WeRd.

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nice vid.... yea thats the way to do it ... too many people just impatient to let the water work the soil out.

well u got me watchn this now ... cuz it came up suggested

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmg_pMqOLj0&feature=related

the other day i was just thinking how pot being illegal forces people to grow indoors which in-turn puts out a fuck ass shit load of carbon emissions.
another reason for legalization

anyway they start talking about it in that vid 2:30 in ....
i watched both parts ... very interesting "strain hunters" looks like fun

That was a sweet vid, thats the way to do it for sure. Plenty of time to really soak out the soil.

i guess it works ... but i wouldn't want to have to do it. other mediums could go straight into hygroton...
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I just had to do something simililar to that with my seedlings that i had growin in beer cups. I set up my ebb n flow system last night down in the basement (im just gonna take the pots out of the system when my landlord comes n just have some tomato n cantaloupe seeds chillin around somewhere n try to explain myself, lol), n i had a bucket full of pH'd water with some clonex in there, ppm around 340, and i took each seedling out of their cups, and let the roots soak in the solution until there was no dirt whatsoever. Then i just threw them into a starter plug, and into a delta block, and then into a 6" square pot halfway full of Bcuzz croutons. I couldnt fill the damn things all the way up, because the flood tables only go up 4 inches, so i had to make sure that at least the bottoms of the big blocks got wet - when the roots grow out a little bit, ill fill the pots up with more croutons for sure though. Anyways, lol, i did that shit yesterday afternoon, n i checked on them 5 minutes ago and theyre doin fine. The overflow fittings suck though, and i have to be there everytime the tables flood, otherwise theyre OVERflood. So i guess i got some kinks to work out, but the setup is up n running, n thats all that matters right now. ppm is around 490, pH is at 5.5, and they look happy as hell. If im doin everything right, then this shit is easy as hell, lol.

Im waitin on some smaller 5" square pots to maybe fit into the spaces i have left in the tables, for clones (should they root, or if i end up getting my hands on some), so right now i have 16 plants in the tables, another 5 that will be goin in soon, n ill probably still have rooom for anoher 15 i think, if my measurements are right.

The moms are doin alot better finally stretchin out n lookin like theyre supposed to - even blueberry is lookin healthier, finally recovering from the transplant shock n coming back to life....I still havent decided wether or not im gonna reveg them next week, so i can get more bud for my efforts, lol, but chances are im gonna just flower them out n keep on goin forward. This grow was nothin but a giant pain in the ass, and i wanna see a decent turnout, but im also not gonna let it go on forever. Ill just let these go all the way probably n get some new gals goin in soil for another harvest a couple weeks after the flood tables finish up. Well see where it goes. If i can just get the hang of the clonin bullshit i wont have to worry about ever fuckin around with starting seeds ever again man. so im just gonna keep on tryin whenever i have a plant to take cuttings from


--N that youtube vid, Strain hunters, its a pretty decent series on youtube. Ive seen a bunch of their videos, n Arjan n Franco know their shit. Its pretty cool that they get to travel across the pot smokin universe and do the things that they do man. Its the type of freedom that they have that allows them to do that kind of research and find ut the things they do, which lead to improving their breeding projects, and yields, and overall plant growth. lucky fuckers, lol.

My goal is to be able to make enough, and learn enough in the next 5 years that me and my new little family will be able to travel all over the place, and collect strains, and learn from the people that have been doing this for years. I'd love to collect landraces from all over the world.

Im in complete agreement man. Only my goal is to hopefully one day make it to the motherland, n start up my own business if coffeeshops arent completely abolished by then. Its basically one of two end results i wanna see come out of this. 1)- MMJ law gets passed in Ohio, and im one of the first to apply for a loan to open a dispensary in my area, which will give me a career for the rest of my life, or at least for a few years, until i get up enough cash to open up my own hydro store, should the MMJ law ever get repealed. OR 2)- like i said, end up in Amsterdam, and try my hand at taking advantage of all the tourists that come seeking premium ganja. Maybe id try undercutting the competition by pricing my shit cheaper than the rest. Always seems to work in our country, and seeing as how 65% of the tourism in A-dam comes from the United States, im sure that theyll be appreciative of the favor id be doing for them, lol

I just wanna get good enough at this thing to be able to hopefully be recognized for what i do, or NOT be recognized at all, but make enough money to not give a rats ass about it, lol. I really cant believe how simple growing hydroponically is man. As long as you stay within the ppm n ph range that the plants need, theyll suck up nutrients, and keep growing uninhibited. The seedlings are lookin SUPER fuckin happy man, havent gone through any transplant shock whatsoever, and i even figured out how to make sure the flood trays dont overfill. I just drilled an extra hole in the top of the screens on the overflow fittings, and everything is golden now. Now all i need to do is get up the cash to buy myself a better rez for the system instead of this shitty rubbermaid tub im using (basically i cant put the lid on right. The whole damn thing bows out n it looks like a 500 lb man is trying to fit his fat ass inside my reservoir, lol), n ill be set. Maybe illl just keep using this one until i can afford to pick up a 40 gallon panda rez. Those things are big enough, and low enough to the ground to where i can cut the legs on my tray stand another 5-10 inches, so the plants would have more room to grow. Right now the trays stand at about 2 feet tall, which is short enough to not gimme any problems, but if it were shorter, id be able to cover a wider canopy with my light. Right now im just using the one 1000w on the trays, cuz im using the other one for the girls in flower. I'd hook up my 600w to go with her, but to be honest, im covering the table decently enough right now, so reallly id rather save the cash on the electric bill for the next two months, and then go from there when i do more upgrading.

Im trying to get everything nice n neat for you guys so i can take some pics n it dont look like a complete shithole that im growin in, lol, so gimme another day or two n ill hook up some snapshots of everything.

--O, n i guess i got a question, but it seems like its an obvious one to ask...Should i be flooding once a day or twice? or does it all just depend on how fast my rockwool dries out? Is it possible that id only need to flood like once every other day? does that ever happen? n if so, does that mean that i have shitty draineage?

I'm glad you are gettin your hydro shit set up finally King! I gotta learn as much about hydro from all this, for my next grow. I really want to go hydro next!!!

i was using nft for awhile... it just ran constantly. ur medium holds very little moisture and it would be impossible to overwater the plants i would think unless they start lacking oxygen... so i would guess you'd want it to come on 3 or 4 times a day... while young and perhaps more often as they need more water. i'm sure you'll get a more knowledgeable reply though
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Not really to be honest, lol. everyone keeps saying it varies from setup to setup, so im really on my own here. All i know is that my delta blocks are still damp, and the seedlings keep on growin, so im pretty contented with flooding once a day for now, at least until they get bigger. My ppm is around 600 though, and ph is perfect, so im not sure if thats what the plants need, i keep reading that it varies, but i also read that 400-600 is good for young plants, and i need to raise it up to 8-900 once they get bigger, and then 11-1300 right before flowering, n then back down to 800 in final two weeks. So i dont know man, its a little confusing, lol.

But somethin wierd is goin on now though with the roots under the starter plugs. I lifted them up to check out the growth n to see if they started to grow into the delta blocks yet, and theyve just barely started to, but on the roots im seeing something ive never seen before. It looks like mould, like you know how mouldy topsoil kinda looks like a bunch of fuzzy shit when it starts out? well the root tips have a bunch of fuzzy hairs all over them, almost looks like a tiny version of roots, only they dissolve at the touch, so i know theyre not roots. I had my mind made up on it being mould, so i dosed up the water with some H202, and then i went online lookin for answers. I read a couple different articles on how plants develop fuzzy hairs on the roots when they dont know which way to grow, kinda like feelers, so they know which direction to start burrowing. Now, ive never seen or even ever heard of mould physically growing ON the roots, so im assuming that this is what its gotta be. -- anybody think otherwise? id really love to hear what you gotta say on this, cuz if its mould its not stopping the growth process at all, although my plants have been growing slow ever since i moved into this place, the roots are bright white, n lookin REALLY healthy, so i have no reason to suspect it to be mould, other than i dont have a clue what else it could be, lol, besides the fuzzy feelers theory of course


--another Q though, i thought the Elite subscription option was fixed so we can order it with a CC now. How come i still cant see the CC option to pay when i go to put an order in? anybody else havin the same problem??

i second the fuzzy feeler theory
and u still haven't checked out my journal

O.M.F.G. I just spent the last few days reading each and every page you guys wrote. Every word...every received package and every messy start up. I cant wait to see how this turns out for you...

I fully identify with you mate...all I wanna do is watch them grow and play with them, but doing that will mess up..and i always think..it wont hurt if i just....lol...famous last words.

I cant believe how long this thread is!

Ive just built a small grow box myself...Already have an appointment this week with the local hydro shop though....the only thing that kills my mood is that I cant seem to buy seeds anywhere...

Im in South Australia....Does anyone know where I can buy them?

So even though i probably wont ever have more than bagseed, I'm still mad about growing...so here's my setup. I'm getting some mylar or panda later this week.

I wanna grow a WW..IS there somewhere I can buy just the one seed? Sorry to ask you so many questions, but you and I seem to be exactly the same...start out with humble beginnings and then say fuck it and go for gold...

How much did you end up harvesting from your second grow, before the move? If you already wrote it sorry, I've been baked while reading tonight...lol

So heres my setup....Its pretty "ghetto" as you guys call it...I dunno what aussies call it...budget i guess...its my budget grow!

Nah man, I'm sure you'll be able to get seeds from somewhere-- nirvana says they ship worldwide, so does bcbud depot, Morpheus seedbank, n the attitude should aswell. You'll never know for sure unless you make an order n find out bro

Thanks for reading the journal man. I know it's a hell of alot to read over, but I've made sooooo many mistakes n recovered, even I look back from time to time to reference shit i've done wrong lol. My 2nd grow I ended up with just over 9oz, not including my 2 WW, I got 3 1/2 from them. So 1/2 lb basically from 5 plants ain't too bad- but if your growing in 3gal or 5gal pots, 2oz per plant is pretty much the standard unless u munt it up somethin awful, which I was in danger of doin several times, lol.

Regardless man, everybody has to start somewhere, n I bet in 6mos to a year you'll be doin shit bigger n better too- it's part of the addiction lol. Your always gonna wanna outdo your last grow, over n over n over again, until you finally find a setup n a method that your happy with n that you can do over n over n over again. Personally I think that the screw ups n having to change this n upgrade that, are what makes this so much fun for me man. It's a neverending battle with my plants tryin to get those fuckers to do what I want them to

-WEEDMAN lol I'm on my way to your journal right now. I did check it out last week but I got sidetracked before I could post bro. My bad

- so I made a descision about my BB plant. Since I didn't really wanna flower her with the rest of the crop - n I wanted to keep her as a mother- n just flat out wasn't growing out like I hoped she would, I did like that YouTube video n I took her out of soil 2 days ago, soaked her for a while, n put her in a 6" pot on the tables. She's doin great man, already growin new roots n perkin up. I figured I might have permanently fucked her up when I transplanted her into some better soil, but as soon as I cleaned her roots n gave her a new home, she really just started pointin back up towards the light, n lookin like she's gonna take off again. I'll keep her begging until I can take a couple runs of BIG clones from her to do a proper SOG run. I think it'll work out man. I can clone now but I think my cuttings are way too small to do anything important with. So I'll just wait a little while n do it right. I switched my nutes too- went from FF to technaflora's BC nutrients starter pack. Has grow micro bloom, and a whole shitload of supplements to go along with it. Even includes a jar of rootech gel. It'll be here tomorrow so I'll probably switch out my rez n see what the fldifference might be. I just wanted to get something meant for hydro specifically, yaknow? Anyways, I'll tell u everything that comes with it when it gets here. I'll be back in a lil bit, after I check WEEDMANS journal out lol