K1Ng5p4d3's Cardboard Box Grow (hehe)

does it matter how big your cuttings are? N all it is is some simple seed starting my mix? I thought I read u added something to it??? Damn man, I'm gonna have to try that shit for sure. But do u think it would still work if I used an actual cline tray n mondi humidity dome instead of a beer cup n a clear cup? U think that would be deep enough? Hmmmmmmmm... N u don't use a heating pad at all?

All my cuttings have only been about 3 inchs tall when I took them. I've also been trying to take them from the bottom parts of the plants, I've read that they have more of the hormone in them that helps them root. It was still taking about 2 weeks to show roots though.

Hmmm, the reason I thought mine worked so well this time around was because I took the oldest cuttings on the plant... I thought that it was the oldest n not the lowest cuttings that rooted the best. Either way I got root bumps all over the stems of all my clones last time I looked, n now I'm not gonna look again cuz I don't wanna fuck anything up, LOL that shit is delicate.

There's some really rapid growth goin on down in my trays, but I also think there might be something slightly wrong too. There's a little bit of leaf twisting on a couple of my biggest plants, n some of them have some light green spots on them. I think it might be because of the ph not being balanced for so long, n also maybe a touch of nitrogen toxicity too. I don't know for sure, but I'll get some pics up for you Gita later on tonight. Nothing is serious to the point where I'm worried, but I'd rather male sure nothing else goes wrong. In about 2 wks or so I'm gonna flower them bitches out, so I wanna make sure that between now n then I don't have jack shit for problems. I'm probably just gona change out the rez n let some
Distilled run through for a day or two, n then I'll mix in my nutrients. I don't know how that's supposed to work when fixing something like this, so I'll give it a shot..

sounds good man, glad your getn some clones to root now

fuck yeah man, I'm hype as hell on that shit lol. Now I just gotta focus on light distribution.

My 1000w lights are great but the MH bulbs I'm stuck with are growbright bulbs, which IMO are pretty shoddy, seeing as I have a 600w that's twice as bright as the damn thing-- that's gotta be the bulb though right? I mean, cuz if the ballast wasn't pushing 1000w out, then the bulb wouldn't work right?


Anyways long story less long, I'm pullin my 6' light mover outta storage this week. It's a hydrofarm, n apparently it moves over the distance in abt 20 minutes, so I guess that I'll find out if the light distribution will be better than using my 600 n 1000 both over my tables.

I guess even though it looks less powerful, it's gotta be working better, cuz when u look at my tables, I have seedlings and babies on one tray, n 2+ wk olds on the other tray, with the 1000w over them. See since I put that light directly over just the one tray I've had accellerated growth that I've never seen before. As in I've never seen my plants grow this fast, lol. So I'll take out the 600 by Friday, slap the light rail in there, n let her go to town n see what performs better.

I'm lettin all my seeds get some nice big taproots, n I'll plant them come Thursday, so I'll have a total of 32 plants goin on the trays. I don't think I'll have much time to veg them out though, cuz the plants are gettin so big on the other table that I don't know if I can let them go any more than 2 wks before I pull the trigger man. They're gonna get ignorantly big here when I flower them. I think I might have to do what I was gonna do in the 1st place, n throw the netting over top, just to keep height down, n still get that bud girth I'm lookin for. I guess over the next two weeks I'll be able to tell for sure, but that's probably what I'm gonna end up doin.


---soil bitches are flowering out steadily. A few already have lil flower balls in the tops, so in another week or two here I should be able to go in there n hopefully see what I can expect come week 8. Bah, I just hope I get a little more bud than I did last time around, although I can't tell for sure yet if that's gonna happen, at least I know I can expect good things from my first time around with hydro- I think anyways..

So your taking your 1000w off the trays, and putting the 600 on the light mover? OR are you putting the 1000w on the light mover? Glad to hear your girls are growing so well for ya man. I know its been tough getting this grow going for ya. Also glad to see that it seems like your clones are doing well. Did you get the chance to stop over and see my pics? I think they are a page back now. I tried to get some nice bud pics.

King, Those light movers are pretty sweet...I just got half my shipment of seeds today, so i have some Double Gum from white label germing right now.

Ill let ya know when they are off and theres a journal going man!

Prot

whats up king.... why dont you put both up... put the 1k on the track and make the 600W stationary somewhere light is even....... thats what i had to do yesterday since my 1k light blew... i just hung my 400W HPS , 1k HPS(hydroshop had me covered from warranty), and a 1k MH........ on 56 plants in like a 6x8 room.. i cant remeber what your room dimensions are.. Pe@ce man..

Cuz as of right now, my trays cover all of 3' by 6' of space, lol. I hardly thnk that once i get the light mover up that ill even be able to fit another light in there. Plus, itll free up another light for me to get some more plants goin in my tent - like 10 moms or somethin would morre than likely be the most sensible next step for me. Either way, im takin my lights up to the Moon tomorrow to check my ballasts n bulbs out, n find out WHY THE FUCK my 1000w's aint as bright as my 600. Hopefully theyll just tell me the same thing that im assuming - Growbright MH Conversion bulbs (and most Growbright shit), are pieces of shit, lol. BUT, it might be my ballasts, in which case ima have to spend 50 bucks to ship each ballast back to HTG, n get them to send me new ones or repair the old ones. Either way im gettin this shit fixed man. I didnt spend 700 bucks on the equivalent of two 400w systems damnit. We'll see man. hopefully this shit will be way more simple than im hoping.


Pro - Lemme know how the Double Gum is. I still have 7 DG seeds from WOS, n i didnt like how they germed out for me. Once they popped, they just grew like an inch n stopped, lol. so i chucked them bitches n grew out THE BLACK. BUT, if yours turn out better, then ill probably give it another shot


- Im gonna plant my other 8 seeds tomorrow, since i have another 2 1/2 weeks before i flower the trays, i may as well get as much shit on there as possible - im putting a trellis net overtop of the plants, and am gonna do a ScrOG with all single cola plants. It should turn out pretty decent, since half the table is growing at the same rate, n the other half are all like 2 wks behind them, but i figure that in another 2 wks, everything will be big enough for me to get like an oz per plant if i put the netting up. We shall see.. I just wanna get one massive yield before i go ABF n do the perpetual clone thing man. I wanna know what it feels like to get at LEAST 1g/watt from a grow, hopefully double that - but regardless of the outcome, im growin out my mothers so ill be able to do the damn thing once i have all 4 tables up n running. All i need is another light mover, n two more trays, n ill pretty much be set.

When i hook up the pics of the grow this week, you guys will see what im talkin about with the plants man. Shit has doubled at least in size on the one tray since last pic sesh, n if i leave them for any longer than 2 wks im gonna have a problem on my hands with vertical space. Even if my seedlings are still kinda small come time to flower, theyll still produce a decent amount of bud - i mean, ive seen some plants that've went 12/12 from seed, and have gotten good results, so a seedling or young plant thats been vegging for 2-3 wks and then flowered out should stilll give off a decent yield right? bah, fuck it. I guess the proof's in the puddin, right?


My clones are doin fuckin AWESOME. i cant wait to take some pics of them shits man. Theres some nice LONG furry roots comnin out of all of them, to the point where im givin them another week, n then into flower they go. I even cut 4 more cuttings, this time from my BB plant which is doin pretty damn well in the tray, to get some Blueberry bud in with this coming harvest too - i was fuckin bummed out when i realized i wasnt gonna be able to pull any BB from the batch, but im confident now in what im doin i think, n ill be able to get them bitches to root. I mean, the Yumboldt plant was a week n a half into flower, and she took 5 or 6 days to root. The BB is still vegging out, so hopefully if anything shell be easier.

BTW -- how long after roots are established in a clone, do they start foliar growth again? im giving them a wk before i flower, but thats really IF a week is enough time to get them on the road to growing out again. If they dont have much more growth than they do now, i think ill end up waiting a little longer man. I dont wanna end up with a Quarter oz per clone man. I'd be pissed, lol.

Anyways, im off to check out TC's journal. I posted here last night on my iphone but it obviously didnt take, so ima go check it out now. Ill catch you guys tomorrow. Pics on Thurs probably

So are you still intent on using media under your pots?

hey k1ng, since u haven't been by ... i figured id drop these off

this is the one that went into flowering the same time moved.
she was in the back corner of my table the entire time,budded up pretty nice but i expected a little more ...... i'm seeing the limitation of the 400w now

here she is from the start... been in for like 12 weeks +


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4\28

GypsyBush said:

So are you still intent on using media under your pots?

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Well, I read your MSG, but I guess my iPhone is a piece of shit for forums, lol, so it must not have posted, just like my post from 2 days ago. I think what I'll do is hook a mat up underneath one tray n leave one tray alone. This way I can see which is the best way to go. I mean, this is a one time thing anyways, beffore I go ABF, so I may as well see what works for a full cycle grow.

420weedman said:

hey k1ng, since u haven't been by ... i figured id drop these off

this is the one that went into flowering the same time moved.
she was in the back corner of my table the entire time,budded up pretty nice but i expected a little more ...... i'm seeing the limitation of the 400w now

here she is from the start... been in for like 12 weeks +


1\22

2\7

3\10

4\28

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Holy Fuckin shit dude. Limitations my ass lol. That fucker looks niiiiice. Really impressed man as usual. I'd consider myself lucky as hell if I pull a couple plants that look like that from my soil grow. Fuckin tits dude.

- n sorry I haven't been by all youz guys journals that much- I'm tryin hard as shit to keep updated on here, n sometimes I only have a couple minutes to come on n post, n I don't get a chance to swing by. But I'll be by more dude. Thanks for bringin them pics over though man. Glad I didn't miss those. Fuckin beautiful.

K1Ng5p4d3 said:

I think what I'll do is hook a mat up underneath one tray n leave one tray alone. This way I can see which is the best way to go. I mean, this is a one time thing anyways, beffore I go ABF, so I may as well see what works for a full cycle grow.

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What kind of mat are you talking about?

I really wish you didn't mix up all these methods together before you really know how it's going to turn out...

I still recommend you bake a simple cake (follow the recipe) before you start changing things... but as I have said many times... go with what you know...

I bought a coco mat today just to see if I'd like it, n cuz they were on sale, n when I brought it home n checked it out it was thick n hard like cardboard, n I couldn't get my pots to stay put even after I soaked the mat down. So I took it back out. I'm probably gonna end up either getting a Sure2grow mat ( sure2grow is Fuckin awesome stuff, I used the cubes to start allmy soil plants n I'm interested to see how itd work in hydro), just pickin up some slabs, or just Fuckin leavin it the fuck alone. I get what your trying to tell me man, n I do wanna get it right the first time, but as of right now I'm not really following any 1 particular growers method to the T. I'm just taking everything I've read an picking the best bits out of each grow n using them if I can afford to, lol. At this point though it's becoming more of a hassle than anything else for me to do anything more than just put up my netting n leaving it be.

So I took my mh bulbs to the grow shop today to see if I had faulty bulbs or ballasts, n they threw them into their own 1000w system, put the light meter up, n told me that I have the equivalent of a 300w bulb running in my ballasts. I called up HTG n they're sending me out some sun master conversion bulbs to replace the growbrights for free. I was happy as hell to hear that, until I took a look at my lights running my 1000w hps bulbs. It's probably just me over analyzing shit, but now I'm worried that maybe it's my ballasts that are killing my bulbs, n turning them into shit. Is this possible though? If I have a properly working 1000w bulb, would a malfunctioning ballast be able to ignite it n keep it running? I kinda don't get how this works. Is there a possibility that my ballasts are killing my bulbs or is it more than likely the bulbs themselves??

If it's the ballasts, I'm gonna have to drive to cranberry PA n switch them shits in person cuz I ain't paying 100 bucks for shipping those heavy bastards an hour from here. But I've read mostly good shit about agrostar ballasts. I thought they were high quality. For 700bucks for 2 of them they Fuckin well better be man...

K1Ng5p4d3 said:

I'm not really following any 1 particular growers method to the T.

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if you did, your life would be much simpler and probably cheaper... with equal or better results...

Dude, I know you are having fun...

But you are making your life way more complicated than it HAS to be...

I'll shut up now....lol...

For now I'm happy with doin this my own way. Easier or not I'm still growing some nice healthy plants. I appreciate the advice man, but I need to learn how to do this without copying someone else, otherwise all I'll know how to do is other peoples grow methods. I'm getting this worked out slowly but surely, n I'm learning something everytime I make a mistake. thanks for the help man, but my cake tastes pretty damn good so far, lol.

--new bulbs should be here today n I'll be able to tell If it's my ballast or if I'm taken care of. Keep them fingers crossed. Either way I'll have the problem fixed before I suffer any significant loss in yield from shitty lighting, so im not worried. I guess that also explains why my clones took root so easily, lol - Fuckin 200w of mh seems to be the perfect intensity for growing clones. Guess after I get this ballast bullshit fixed I'm gonna pick up another 250w n keep that shit this time.

Also, I'm thinkin about picking up one of those newer digi ballasts with the built in dimmer so u can use it as a 400, a 600, or full strength. I think that'd come in handy, just bumping up the intensity in stages throughout the grow...

Thats sweet your getting the new bulbs for free man. I've got to imagine thats been the problem this whole time. I've wondered the same thing about my 400w mh, its really not much brighter then that floro light I built, but its just got the cheapest bulb in it. I don't think its even really considered an agro bulb, just a 400w mh of some sort. It'll be interesting to see the differance you get. I'm also wondering about my 1000w, I got my light second hand in the first place, and this is the second grow I've done on the bulb. I'm sure the guy that had it before me had done at least one on it, if not many more, so it might be years old, and only putting out part of the light its supposed to. We'll see, next grow I'd love to pick up a brand new hortilux eye, they aren't cheap, but seem to be great bulbs. Well any way man just thought I'd stop in to see how things were. Check you lata bro. TC

Dude... I really really was not going to say anything else...
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I'm not picking on you...

But when I read this post, by a very knowledgeable grower, I had to laugh...

Cheers...

Roseman said:

I do not mean to sound harsh or rude here, but to just lay it on the table,
Go back a page or two and read the Advice to New Growers. You have listed many EXPERIMENTS that you are trying now.
You are experimenting with using Extra pH control, using tap water with a very high pH, making and using Nute Soup, Following advice from a not so successful first time grower, Misting with carbonated water,,,,,,,,,,,,,and this is your first grow?????
Dr Phil on TV would ask you "and how is that working for you?"

My dad told me a damned million times,
"successful people do what successful people do".

On the other hand, I did the same thing on my first grow, I tried all kinds of experiments, that I wish I had not tried. I listened to every newbie on this site with thier "I heard somewhere that if you tried carbonated water.................." or "I heard that mollasses.........."

when I learned to learn from other newbie's mistakes, instead of my own mistakes, I quit making mistakes and I quit experimenting.
I'd suggest that you try a NORMAL grow, using normal approved tried and tested and proved procedures.

Good Luck, bro, I hope you do not take any offense from what I say, I am sincerly trying to help you. EVERY GROW gets better.

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Again, this post was not directed at you...

I just had to laugh because here is an experienced grower trying to tell someone to not experiment until they have it figured out...

Go with what you know Bro...

You are doing good... you always have...

Have you ever heard the expression "standing on the shoulders of giants"?

OK...

Enough out of me...

and I promise not to interfere with your experiments anymore...

It's just when I see you leave a proven method for an experiment, before you even have it down pat...

I would hate to see you fuck something up and hurt your yield...

But go with what you know......



Ps. I'm not mad or anything, just a little scared for you... I know how important it is for you ta have a good harvest...

Lol you guys are so funny.

All I have to add to this discussion is this, and its very hard for me, cus I always want to do more aswell, I just can't afford it so it makes this easier.



K.I.S.S.

It really seems to be the ultimate solution. Just my 2 cents guys TC